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Reply #135 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:01pm

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:15pm:

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

After two years of COVID - and spending a lot of time indoors - it's not unusual for people to be taking 5,000 iu per day of Vitamin D3.

My levels are very good, and I maintain it on 1,000 iu per day.

I was always on the side of caution with supplements… because too much of anything can be toxic too.
It’s like me now finding out I have Lupus…
You know how garlic is supposed to be good for us etc… well lupus sufferers must avoid garlic… apart from ginger, echinacea etc to avoid flare ups and inflammation.
And most of my life I’ve used garlic to cook with at least twice a week … now nothing Embarrassed

and I love garlic bread… sigh …

I have been doing a herb bread instead of Garlic bread for a while it isn't a bad substitute. Also could try a cheesy bread.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #136 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:36pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 8:33pm:

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

I must say… when I caught normal flu… due to supplements I took… it lasted only 4 days and not severely bed ridden or anything… rather than a week or two … with covid… it got me for 2 weeks… I would say… 4-5 times longer than the usual flu I got in past.
I couldn’t eat and could only drink through a straw… painful mouth ulcers etc.
At least I lost 6 kgs in 2 weeks! Grin

Geez… something positive result came out of it!

One thing I read about… in a fb group of covid long haulers, many talk about crashing with energy… tiredness for a year or more… that’s one thing I didn’t get! I felt charged with lots of energy within a month after I had covid. Maybe all them supplements?
How differently if effects individuals… depending on so many factors.

So.. with VitD there are a number of things to consider…
Why?

Because its not as simple as taking VitD - WHY? - because VitD does not work by itself..

I have been through all of this some years ago with pumping massive amounts of VitD into the body without raising VitD levels…

So what changed?

Magnesium…………

So if you are low of VitD you will be low on calcium which can give you aching soft bones and other autoimmune diseases…

Caltrate saw this some years ago and changed their formula from VitD alone to a mixture that works with each other… the vital keys to health…

Ingredients for Caltrate Bone and Muscles…

Active Ingredients: Calcium (as calcium carbonate) 600mg, Colecalciferol (Vitamin D3) 25 micrograms (1,000IU), Magnesium (as magnesium oxide) 50mg, Zinc (as zinc oxide) 7.5mg, Copper (as cupric sulfate) 500 micrograms, Manganese (as manganese sulfate monohydrate) 1.75mg

Strange thing is… I am off the scale with too much calcium in my system.
Which in turn imbalances other minerals/vitamins… so I’m cautious with anything calcium enriched. And I’m at the very low end or practically nil with copper. Hence low copper means I started going grey at 21….

I’m taking 4000 IU vitamin D for a month … then down to 2000 iu the doctor has advised.

See how I go next blood sampling.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #137 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:38pm

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:01pm:

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:15pm:

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

After two years of COVID - and spending a lot of time indoors - it's not unusual for people to be taking 5,000 iu per day of Vitamin D3.

My levels are very good, and I maintain it on 1,000 iu per day.

I was always on the side of caution with supplements… because too much of anything can be toxic too.
It’s like me now finding out I have Lupus…
You know how garlic is supposed to be good for us etc… well lupus sufferers must avoid garlic… apart from ginger, echinacea etc to avoid flare ups and inflammation.
And most of my life I’ve used garlic to cook with at least twice a week … now nothing Embarrassed

and I love garlic bread… sigh …

I have been doing a herb bread instead of Garlic bread for a while it isn't a bad substitute. Also could try a cheesy bread.

Hmmmm…. That I will try…. Cheesy herb bread together

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #138 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 6:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:15pm:

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

After two years of COVID - and spending a lot of time indoors - it's not unusual for people to be taking 5,000 iu per day of Vitamin D3.

My levels are very good, and I maintain it on 1,000 iu per day.

My (natural) level of D3 has always been critically low - due to some sort of storage issue
I had D3 prescribed - and quarterly tested - till my GP settled me on 8000 iu per day (4000, morning - 4000, night) just to maintain "normality"
I'm also on massive B12 supplements, for the same reasons

Whereas I have to avoid any supplements where B6 is snuck into the small print - and have to avoid foods high in B6 - as it builds up to toxic levels

I'm also on B1, B3, Vitamin C, E, Omega3, Zinc and Magnesium supplements
I have a total vitamin and supplement blood scan every six months

This is bulk billed to

Medicare

Thank you

Gough, Bob - and Labor

- for making this possible
I'd be DEAD if I was in the US - with full price insulin WAY beyond my affordability

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #140 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:20pm

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 7:32pm:

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Mask mandates didn't do anything

In Australia it contributed to saving over 100,000 lives in all probability.

If there was no vaccine, no mask mandates, no lockdowns, no elevated hygiene practices, etc., we might see another 20,000 covid deaths by now -- almost all of them elderly. We would likely see people take the initiative and stay at home to recover and prevent the spread that way.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #141 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:35pm

Sophia wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:36pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 8:33pm:

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

I must say… when I caught normal flu… due to supplements I took… it lasted only 4 days and not severely bed ridden or anything… rather than a week or two … with covid… it got me for 2 weeks… I would say… 4-5 times longer than the usual flu I got in past.
I couldn’t eat and could only drink through a straw… painful mouth ulcers etc.
At least I lost 6 kgs in 2 weeks! Grin

Geez… something positive result came out of it!

One thing I read about… in a fb group of covid long haulers, many talk about crashing with energy… tiredness for a year or more… that’s one thing I didn’t get! I felt charged with lots of energy within a month after I had covid. Maybe all them supplements?
How differently if effects individuals… depending on so many factors.

So.. with VitD there are a number of things to consider…
Why?

Because its not as simple as taking VitD - WHY? - because VitD does not work by itself..

I have been through all of this some years ago with pumping massive amounts of VitD into the body without raising VitD levels…

So what changed?

Magnesium…………

So if you are low of VitD you will be low on calcium which can give you aching soft bones and other autoimmune diseases…

Caltrate saw this some years ago and changed their formula from VitD alone to a mixture that works with each other… the vital keys to health…

Ingredients for Caltrate Bone and Muscles…

Active Ingredients: Calcium (as calcium carbonate) 600mg, Colecalciferol (Vitamin D3) 25 micrograms (1,000IU), Magnesium (as magnesium oxide) 50mg, Zinc (as zinc oxide) 7.5mg, Copper (as cupric sulfate) 500 micrograms, Manganese (as manganese sulfate monohydrate) 1.75mg

Strange thing is… I am off the scale with too much calcium in my system.
Which in turn imbalances other minerals/vitamins… so I’m cautious with anything calcium enriched. And I’m at the very low end or practically nil with copper. Hence low copper means I started going grey at 21….

I’m taking 4000 IU vitamin D for a month … then down to 2000 iu the doctor has advised.

See how I go next blood sampling.

Don’t forget the Magnesium with your VitD….

I will try and catch up with you tomorrow re Oxygen…

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #142 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 11:47am

@lols

RE Oxygen Therapy..

One thing i have looked at in the past is getting a Nebuliser/Nebulizer for Flu/colds for oxygen therapy by using professionally mixed Hydrogen Peroxide which gives you an extra molecule of oxygen..

They sell them in chemists - although i would speak to your doctor/health professional or directly to the chemist first…

Check it out..
https://riordanclinic.org/nebulized-peroxide/

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #144 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 4:36pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 7:32pm:

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Mask mandates didn't do anything

In Australia it contributed to saving over 100,000 lives in all probability.

If there was no vaccine, no mask mandates, no lockdowns, no elevated hygiene practices, etc., we might see another 20,000 covid deaths by now -- almost all of them elderly. We would likely see people take the initiative and stay at home to recover and prevent the spread that way.

No with about a 1% rate for under 60 we would have seen about an additional 20,000 deaths in just the younger group.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #145 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 11:22pm

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 4:36pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 7:32pm:

Quote:

Mask mandates didn't do anything

In Australia it contributed to saving over 100,000 lives in all probability.

If there was no vaccine, no mask mandates, no lockdowns, no elevated hygiene practices, etc., we might see another 20,000 covid deaths by now -- almost all of them elderly. We would likely see people take the initiative and stay at home to recover and prevent the spread that way.

No with about a 1% rate for under 60 we would have seen about an additional 20,000 deaths in just the younger group.

People older than the age of 60 would have made up 99% of the deaths from this hypothetical covid situation. The bulk of cases have been with people under the age of 60 years of age. The bulk of deaths have been with people over the age of 60 years of age.

Whilst we would see a greater death toll among people under the age of 60 years of age, in this hypothetical "no worries" situation, the elderly would be dropping like flies at a Mortein spray convention.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #146 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:27pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 11:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 4:36pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 7:32pm:

Quote:

Mask mandates didn't do anything

In Australia it contributed to saving over 100,000 lives in all probability.

If there was no vaccine, no mask mandates, no lockdowns, no elevated hygiene practices, etc., we might see another 20,000 covid deaths by now -- almost all of them elderly. We would likely see people take the initiative and stay at home to recover and prevent the spread that way.

No with about a 1% rate for under 60 we would have seen about an additional 20,000 deaths in just the younger group.

People older than the age of 60 would have made up 99% of the deaths from this hypothetical covid situation. The bulk of cases have been with people under the age of 60 years of age. The bulk of deaths have been with people over the age of 60 years of age.

Whilst we would see a greater death toll among people under the age of 60 years of age, in this hypothetical "no worries" situation, the elderly would be dropping like flies at a Mortein spray convention.

[ Quote:

2020: COVID-19 mortality
COVID-19 is a respiratory infection caused by a new coronavirus. On 11 March 2020 the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 to be a pandemic. Information relating to COVID-19 mortality for both 2020 and 2021 is also published in the Provisional Mortality Statistics publication.

For the 898 people who died from COVID-19 in 2020:

COVID-19 was the 38th leading cause of death.
Their median age at death was 86 years.
Just over half were female (460 female deaths, 438 male deaths).
People who died from the virus under the age of 70 were more likely to be male.
Dementia was the most common pre-existing condition (275 deaths).
Chronic cardiac conditions, hypertension and diabetes were also commonly reported comorbidities.
The majority of deaths occurred in people with a usual residence of Victoria (800 deaths).

There are more up to date figures on the ABS but they seem to have hidden them…
Mid 2021 used to be on site but now i can’t find them…

But yes… old folks with medical problems don’t fair too well with C19/Flu .. they never have

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Reply #147 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:34pm

Found them…

Quote:

COVID-19 Mortality in Australia, Deaths registered to 31 January 2022
COVID-19 deaths that occurred by 31 January 2022 that have been registered and received by the ABS
Released
15/02/2022

Deaths due to COVID-19: Age and sex
Males had a higher number of registered deaths (1,428) due to COVID-19 than females (1,128 deaths).

The highest number of COVID-19 deaths occurred among those aged 80-89 years (934). This was true for both males and females.

Males aged under 80 years had a higher number of deaths than females (653 compared with 356).

The median age for those who died from COVID-19 was 83.7 years (81.2 years for males, 86.0 years for females).

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #148 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:42pm

I'm surprised the

respirator life support

hasn't been removed from this thread ?

Neither
NSW Health
- or the
White House
statement - ever said that catching COVID19 outdoors was "impossible"

Only that it was
"lower risk"

Since the masks came off in Australia - we have had more cases and deaths in the first four months of 2022 - than the combined total of the two YEARS, prior

(this is from

verifiable data

- not from

"recent studies have shown"

)

CASE CLOSED !

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #149 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:43pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 24^th, 2022 at 12:27pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 11:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 4:36pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 7:32pm:

Quote:

Mask mandates didn't do anything

In Australia it contributed to saving over 100,000 lives in all probability.

If there was no vaccine, no mask mandates, no lockdowns, no elevated hygiene practices, etc., we might see another 20,000 covid deaths by now -- almost all of them elderly. We would likely see people take the initiative and stay at home to recover and prevent the spread that way.

No with about a 1% rate for under 60 we would have seen about an additional 20,000 deaths in just the younger group.

People older than the age of 60 would have made up 99% of the deaths from this hypothetical covid situation. The bulk of cases have been with people under the age of 60 years of age. The bulk of deaths have been with people over the age of 60 years of age.

Whilst we would see a greater death toll among people under the age of 60 years of age, in this hypothetical "no worries" situation, the elderly would be dropping like flies at a Mortein spray convention.

[ Quote:

2020: COVID-19 mortality
COVID-19 is a respiratory infection caused by a new coronavirus. On 11 March 2020 the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 to be a pandemic. Information relating to COVID-19 mortality for both 2020 and 2021 is also published in the Provisional Mortality Statistics publication.

For the 898 people who died from COVID-19 in 2020:

COVID-19 was the 38th leading cause of death.
Their median age at death was 86 years.
Just over half were female (460 female deaths, 438 male deaths).
People who died from the virus under the age of 70 were more likely to be male.
Dementia was the most common pre-existing condition (275 deaths).
Chronic cardiac conditions, hypertension and diabetes were also commonly reported comorbidities.
The majority of deaths occurred in people with a usual residence of Victoria (800 deaths).

There are more up to date figures on the ABS but they seem to have hidden them…
Mid 2021 used to be on site but now i can’t find them…

But yes… old folks with medical problems don’t fair too well with C19/Flu .. they never have

So everyone agrees that the proposition that "Mask mandates didn't do anything" is incorrect.

Or is it ok for older people to die and about 20,000 younger casualties to go as well ?

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