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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #210 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 12:22pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 1:51pm:

I like to think of the removal of mask mandates as an intelligence test.

Unfortunately (but not surprisingly) the majority of the Australian population seems to have failed the test.

Especially when vulnerable people are being put at risk by selfish idiots who find it too much trouble to do something as simple as wearing a mask, especially in places where it is still supposed to be mandatory.

If masks work - carl - then those “most vulnerable Cheesy

” could simply put one on and be protected..

So do they work or not?

In one line you say they do work and in the next line you say they don’t.

You can’t have it both ways, der.. Cheesy

They certainly work, but aren't 100% effective. Moreover, nobody has ever claimed they are.

Seat belts aren't 100% effective either - people wearing seat belts are killed in automobile accidents every day, all over the world.

Do you wear a seat belt when you get in a car?

I'm curious.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #211 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 1:12pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 11:23pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

I've stopped listening to the epidemiologists and immunologists as well, on COVID19 news and precautions

That's why I'm putting all my trust with clodhoppers in internet chat rooms

Yes we know

poofy drama queens like you

ignore epidemiologists and prefer to listen to Lisa Wilkinson.

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More than 150 Comparative Studies and Articles on Mask Ineffectiveness and Harms

https://brownstone.org

Modus Operandi - 2.0

If anyone should disagree with the

conspiracy theorist

, they can expect a

tirade of personal abuse

(
loose screws
,
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, and
BaronWarts
being excellent examples)

Conspiracy theorists

are RENOWNED for passing over any accredited science or medical source - in the hunt to find a

meme

, a

blogger.

a

bitchute

or

anti-vaxxing "think tank"

that agrees with their already

set-in-stone conspiracy theories

, as "proof" that

scientific consensus

is "wrong"

In fact -

ALL THE WORLD IS WRONG

- that doesn't support

COVID19, chemtrail - and fake moon landing conspiracy theories

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #212 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 11:26pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 11:23pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

I've stopped listening to the epidemiologists and immunologists as well, on COVID19 news and precautions

That's why I'm putting all my trust with clodhoppers in internet chat rooms

Yes we know poofy drama queens like you ignore epidemiologists and prefer to listen to Lisa Wilkinson.

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More than 150 Comparative Studies and Articles on Mask Ineffectiveness and Harms

By Paul Elias Alexander December 20, 2021

It is not unreasonable to conclude that surgical and cloth masks, used as they currently are being used (without other forms of PPE protection), have no impact on controlling the transmission of Covid-19 virus.Current evidence implies that face masks can be actually harmful. The body of evidence indicates that face masks are largely ineffective.

I present the masking ‘body of evidence’ below (n=167 studies and pieces of evidence), comprised of comparative effectiveness research as well as related evidence and high-level reporting.

To date, the evidence has been stable and clear that masks do not work to control the virus and they can be harmful and especially to children.

Author
Paul Elias Alexander

Dr. Paul Alexander is an epidemiologist focusing on clinical epidemiology, evidence-based medicine, and research methodology. He has a master's in epidemiology from University of Toronto, and a master's degree from Oxford University. He earned his PhD from McMaster's Department of Health Research Methods, Evidence, and Impact. He has some background training in Bioterrorism/Biowarfare from John's Hopkins, Baltimore, Maryland. Paul is a former WHO Consultant and Senior Advisor to US Department of HHS in 2020 for the COVID-19 response.

https://brownstone.org/articles/more-than-150-comparative-studies-and-articles-o...

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Buzz is a poofy stupid drama queen

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #213 - Jun 8^th, 2022 at 5:50am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 11:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 11:23pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 5^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

I've stopped listening to the epidemiologists and immunologists as well, on COVID19 news and precautions

That's why I'm putting all my trust with clodhoppers in internet chat rooms

Yes we know poofy drama queens like you ignore epidemiologists and prefer to listen to Lisa Wilkinson.

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More than 150 Comparative Studies and Articles on Mask Ineffectiveness and Harms

By Paul Elias Alexander December 20, 2021

It is not unreasonable to conclude that surgical and cloth masks, used as they currently are being used (without other forms of PPE protection), have no impact on controlling the transmission of Covid-19 virus.Current evidence implies that face masks can be actually harmful. The body of evidence indicates that face masks are largely ineffective.

I present the masking ‘body of evidence’ below (n=167 studies and pieces of evidence), comprised of comparative effectiveness research as well as related evidence and high-level reporting.

To date, the evidence has been stable and clear that masks do not work to control the virus and they can be harmful and especially to children.

Author
Paul Elias Alexander

Dr. Paul Alexander is an epidemiologist focusing on clinical epidemiology, evidence-based medicine, and research methodology. He has a master's in epidemiology from University of Toronto, and a master's degree from Oxford University. He earned his PhD from McMaster's Department of Health Research Methods, Evidence, and Impact. He has some background training in Bioterrorism/Biowarfare from John's Hopkins, Baltimore, Maryland. Paul is a former WHO Consultant and Senior Advisor to US Department of HHS in 2020 for the COVID-19 response.

https://brownstone.org/articles/more-than-150-comparative-studies-and-articles-o...

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Buzz is a poofy stupid drama queen

Buzz likes memes and colourful letters..... oh, and his bible.... The MSM edition.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #214 - Jun 8^th, 2022 at 9:33am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 11:26pm:

FACT CHECK
Buzz is a poofy stupid drama queen

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 5:50am:

Buzz likes memes and colourful letters..... oh, and his bible.... The MSM edition.

When you catch out a

conspiracy theorist lying

- their first defence is to resort to personal attacks

Be they conspiracy team leader

Sir_Loose_Screw

,

old

Barren_Wart

or the new boy in the classroom -

Nellie_Neandethal

It was MUCH more fun
debunking conspiracy theories
, in the early days of COVID19 - but now ...

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #215 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 10:41pm

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Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo is leading the charge against the mask insanity, and I’m loving every minute of it. Let’s make sure it NEVER happens again.

https://twitter.com/SKMorefield/status/1499453335409205250

A surgeon gereral who follows real science not that political science bullshit. Roll Eyes

He makes some interesting points in that video.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14178 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #216 - Jun 14^th, 2022 at 8:07am Excalibur @masuccisan Replying to @SKMorefield And why do Drs. Wear masks in the operating room ? There got to be some benefits somewhere. If not in reducing the flu contagion that we saw in 2021. Not so ? .
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #218 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 11:20pm

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Jay Bhattacharya
@DrJBhattacharya

Jay Bhattacharya
@DrJBhattacharya
Professor Stanford School of Medicine. MD, PhD. Health policy: infectious diseases, covid, health economics. Scientific freedom.

In March 2021, @YouTube
banned a video of me telling @GovRonDeSantis
that there was no high quality evidence that force masking children protects anyone from covid. Shame on YouTube for censoring to support CDC propaganda. The Science(tm) changed, but the science didn't.

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Tim Pool
@Timcast
· Aug 23
Youtube updated its policies to no longer ban claims that masks do not play a role in preventing spread of COVID

Essentially, you are now allowed to claim masks don't work

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1562138852965376003?cxt=HHwWhoCzzdPA6...

About time those geeks in big tech stopped censoring the experts on this.

The big tech geeks are guilty of spreading misinformation which has misled the sheeple

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #219 - Sep 21^st, 2022 at 11:43pm

The science was pretty clear that masks don't stop a virus, perhaps those who think they do should lok at difference between a bacterial infection and a virus.

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May 2020

Face Masks

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2).

One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure.

Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #220 - Sep 22^nd, 2022 at 6:12am

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 21^st, 2022 at 11:43pm:

The science was pretty clear that masks don't stop a virus, perhaps those who think they do should lok at difference between a bacterial infection and a virus.

...https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

Oh dear... you obviously failed to notice that this report was referring
specifically to the influenza virus. You also didn't note that the research
period cited was January 2013 to August 2018, well before COVID was
identified in December 2019. Did you even read the report?

Some of the cited data was drawn from 1946 research!

Firstly of course COVID and the flu are caused by two totally different
viruses; SARS-CoV-2, while influenza is caused by influenza A and B viruses.
COVID can cause different complications from the flu, such as blood clots
and multisystem inflammatory syndrome, (MIS-C) which is a condition
where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs,
kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. And the virulence of
COVID is far higher than that of the flu in adults.

So it was not made "pretty clear" that masks don't stop the COVID virus.

Further, the masks the report referred to were the disposable medical masks
(also known as surgical masks) which are loose-fitting and designed to be
worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient
wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids.
Surgical masks do not protect the wearer from infectious agents transmitted
via the airborne route.

The current recommendations and some mandates require the use of N95 masks,
in preference to disposable surgical masks. The report's conclusion stated that
"We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing
laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected
persons... or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility".

According to research by the American Conference of Governmental Industrial
Hygienists (ACGIH) surgical masks have a 50% inward and outward leakage rate,
while N95 or P2 have a 5% inward and outward leakage.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #221 - Sep 22^nd, 2022 at 7:08am

If you want to wear a properly fitting n95 mask
Which is quite uncomfortable
Then you will reduce transmission

I can't really see why you would want to
When kovid now exists from Antarctica to the top of mount Everest
You are going to be exposed no matter what

If delaying exposure is important for you then go for it

But unless you are an insane cretin
Use that time to work on your weight
Your physical fitness and your nutrition

If you just want to rely on a mask or indeed a vaccine as keeping you safe
You have a very poor understanding of health

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #222 - Sep 23^rd, 2022 at 10:28pm

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2022 at 6:12am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 21^st, 2022 at 11:43pm:

The science was pretty clear that masks don't stop a virus, perhaps those who think they do should lok at difference between a bacterial infection and a virus.

...https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

Oh dear... you obviously failed to notice that this report was referring
specifically to the influenza virus. You also didn't note that the research
period cited was January 2013 to August 2018, well before COVID was
identified in December 2019. Did you even read the report?

Some of the cited data was drawn from 1946 research!

Firstly of course COVID and the flu are caused by two totally different
viruses; SARS-CoV-2, while influenza is caused by influenza A and B viruses.
COVID can cause different complications from the flu, such as blood clots
and multisystem inflammatory syndrome, (MIS-C) which is a condition
where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs,
kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. And the virulence of
COVID is far higher than that of the flu in adults.

So it was not made "pretty clear" that masks don't stop the COVID virus.

Further, the masks the report referred to were the disposable medical masks
(also known as surgical masks) which are loose-fitting and designed to be
worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient
wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids.
Surgical masks do not protect the wearer from infectious agents transmitted
via the airborne route.

The current recommendations and some mandates require the use of N95 masks,
in preference to disposable surgical masks. The report's conclusion stated that
"We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing
laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected
persons... or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility".

According to research by the American Conference of Governmental Industrial
Hygienists (ACGIH) surgical masks have a 50% inward and outward leakage rate,
while N95 or P2 have a 5% inward and outward leakage.

All science data before pandemic showed surgical masks don't protect against any virus. The real science didn't change with this it was corrupted by political science.

I posted a video in this thread by an Industrial hygienist since you mentioned them he even pointed out a N95 is next to useless with a virus. He pointed out N95 masks aren't approved for asbestos work the smallest asbestos particles are 50 times larger than any aerosol.

My opinion earlier on was N95 or better for covid protection after reviewing evidence i can say i was wrong N95 does not protect with aerosols you need a respirator for aerosols.

It took the CDC and WHO 18 months into pandemic before they recognised aerosol spread with covid. The Japanese were the first to mention it with Diamond Princess cruise ship infecting people despite the fact they were isolated in their cabins with the air con being the cause of spread.

You were sold a pup with these mask mandates most are too stupid to see it.

What part of will not provide any protection against covid or any other viruses do you fail to comprehend on this box?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #223 - Sep 23^rd, 2022 at 10:32pm

aquascoot wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2022 at 7:08am:

If you want to wear a properly fitting n95 mask
Which is quite uncomfortable
Then you will reduce transmission

I can't really see why you would want to
When kovid now exists from Antarctica to the top of mount Everest
You are going to be exposed no matter what

If delaying exposure is important for you then go for it

But unless you are an insane cretin
Use that time to work on your weight
Your physical fitness and your nutrition

If you just want to rely on a mask or indeed a vaccine as keeping you safe
You have a very poor understanding of health

Germany had N95 mask mandates it didn't make any difference. N95 don't protect against aerosols you need a respirator for them.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 104249 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #224 - Sep 23^rd, 2022 at 11:14pm Today is the one year anniversary of the Victorian Government deciding to go full NWO on their people.
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