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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #240 - Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:18pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:36pm:
ShellShilo wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:21pm:
If anyone is responding. I can't see the posts. All I'm receiving are notifications. This is becoming frustrating!


It's all OK Shell.  I can see your posts.  Non-responses don't
necessarily indicate a lack of interest from members.                  Smiley





Thank you. My worry was, why I was receiving board notifications about new posts, when there were none?   But in the future I will ignore these notifications, and just try to remember where I have posted.

But on a lighter note. If you guys have read my posts, and are not responding, then this is indeed a very tough crowd. I will definitely have to up the ante in the future. Smiley
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #241 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 12:36am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 9:18pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:36pm:
ShellShilo wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 8:21pm:
If anyone is responding. I can't see the posts. All I'm receiving are notifications. This is becoming frustrating!


It's all OK Shell.  I can see your posts.  Non-responses don't
necessarily indicate a lack of interest from members.                  Smiley





Thank you. My worry was, why I was receiving board notifications about new posts, when there were none?   But in the future I will ignore these notifications, and just try to remember where I have posted.

But on a lighter note. If you guys have read my posts, and are not responding, then this is indeed a very tough crowd. I will definitely have to up the ante in the future. Smiley


Welcome aboard ShellShilo!   Smiley

Yes we really are a tough crowd  Smiley but not as tough as glitches in forums I bet!

The notifications you are getting… maybe it can be minimised in your profile/settings etc

And yes as Carl said… the pages don’t show a posting if there’s a lot of posts on that topic…
Hence we become page flippers!
I just put stars in… one star… then 2 stars… etc until it finally shows the last couple postings to be able to answer to them.
Oh and one more thing I read recently a newby mentioned… you have to have 100 posts counts before you can post links… I know it sux but… before you know it after the first 100 posts… you’ll be in the thousands!


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Reply #242 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 12:43am
 
Oh a couple more things…. Posting links …. It’s a bit of effort in here… but we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.
And… hardly any night owls in here… must be all old tired peebodies  Grin early to bed etc
So this forum goes quiet … except for some that post from the opposite side of the pond.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #243 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 2:15am
 
Sophia wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 12:43am:
Oh a couple more things…. Posting links …. It’s a bit of effort in here… but we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.
And… hardly any night owls in here… must be all old tired peebodies  Grin early to bed etc
So this forum goes quiet … except for some that post from the opposite side of the pond.


Thank you Lols. Good to hear from you again. It is a tough crowd. So far, not many have even taken a nibble. 

Thank you for your advice. Hopefully, I can add much to the discussions. Can't PM you until I reach 20 posts.



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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #244 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 2:38am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Oct 21st, 2022 at 4:22pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 17th, 2022 at 11:31am:
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Considering that all the data shows that the deaths may have been 10 times greater without them I suspect that you are wrong.

In all the countries that took no action the amount of people who died was much greater.

Even in Australia the amount of covid deaths has steeply increased from the day that the mandate for masks was removed.

back before the Mandate was removed the Australian average per week death rate was zero with some weeks of one.

The Current death rate on the 14th was 29 deaths that day with a weekly average of 15.

The difference is Masks and distancing.

Australia was going along with three or four thousand deaths before we opened up again, we are now at 15,000 deaths.

That is a 400% increase in covid deaths since we re opened, since we removed the mask mandate.

Nobody seems to care.

It seems strange that if mask mandates did nothing then why did the deaths start to increase the day that the mandate was removed?


As of 25th Jan. 2020-20th Oct.2022(999 days), there have been 10.3M cases and 15.5K Australians dying from/with Covid-19. If we assume that everyone died ONLY because of the virus(no other comorbidities), that would still be a mortality rate of 0.15%. Or, a 99.85% survival rate.

This also means that on average, 15.5 people have died from/with Covid-19 in Australia, each day since the beginning of this pandemic. This represents only 0.00006% of the Australian population each day. By the end of March(2020) there were only 34 deaths(5,687 cases). Before vaccines were available(Feb22, 2021), there were 999 deaths(28,930 cases). So what do these stats tell me?

Between Jan 2020 and the end of March(before lockdowns and mandates), there were fewer cases and deaths. Between the end of March until Feb 2021(before vaccines, but with mandates), there was 29 times more people dying, and 5 times more cases. After vaccines were introduced(and up to today), there was 15.5 times more people dying, and 356 times more cases. Clearly man is not stopping the spread of this virus.

Conclusion? We were better off sticking to educating the public, ,and simply treating the disease. Instead of trying to destroy our own country. This virus is less lethal than the Measles. It has a survival rate of over 98%. And a mortality rate that has never been above 0.1%. The only thing that matters is the condition of our immune system. There is nothing that man can do, that will stop anyone from being infected by any virus. NO vaccine can prevent any virus from entering your body. 

Unless masks are tailor-made to fit your face perfectly(or taped), it can't seal your eyes and nose. You can breathe through the sides of the mask. Plus the virus can also enter your eyes. People also take off their masks to eat and drink. Viral particles can linger in the air for up to an hour, and on surfaces for even longer.





Hi Shell,
I think you have leapt to the wrong conclusions.
There is a HUGE amount of misinformation around about covid.

The countries and states in the US that are most vaccinated have the fewer deaths.
Masks have been used for many decades to stop/slow infection rates of aerosol borne diseases.

Have a good day.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #245 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 8:21am
 
British Columbia.

https://twitter.com/chantz_y/status/1583555070804705280

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BC recent walk-in clinic experience:

Told masks were no longer required because we had to balance the needs of those who need to wear them against the "mental health" needs of those who are tired of them & want to see smiles again


I swear the whole world (including Australia) has gone insane.
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Reply #246 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:24am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 2:15am:
Sophia wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 12:43am:
Oh a couple more things…. Posting links …. It’s a bit of effort in here… but we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.
And… hardly any night owls in here… must be all old tired peebodies  Grin early to bed etc
So this forum goes quiet … except for some that post from the opposite side of the pond.


Thank you Lols. Good to hear from you again. It is a tough crowd. So far, not many have even taken a nibble. 

Thank you for your advice. Hopefully, I can add much to the discussions. Can't PM you until I reach 20 posts.





Jeepers creepers even that… needing 20 posts before you can PM… but I think I understand the protective logic with that…
But I think the 100 posts before posting links is a bit thwarting… should be 50 posts.

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Reply #247 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 10:45am
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 8:21am:
British Columbia.

https://twitter.com/chantz_y/status/1583555070804705280

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BC recent walk-in clinic experience:

Told masks were no longer required because we had to balance the needs of those who need to wear them against the "mental health" needs of those who are tired of them & want to see smiles again


I swear the whole world (including Australia) has gone insane.


You can say that again!
Logic fails any reasoning … where oh where has common sense gone?

For instance… just before winter… the mask mandates at airports and in planes was dropped!
After all that mandating and fines and arrests over masks…. They in power are so bipolar!
If anywhere I ever caught a cold or bug… it was usually after a plane trip! But stress does it too… and travelling is stressful! I hate airports!



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Reply #248 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am
 
Talking ‘bout insanity….
Here’s an article in our Melbourne Herald Sun recently….. defies logic!

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Reply #249 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:43am
 
Glad I don't (didn't) live in Victoria, Lols.

And, I'll bet even after all that Daniel Andrews and the ALP will still win next month's Victorian State election.

Speaking of masks - I've seen a few comments from mask wearing people on Twitter lately where they say they're beginning to feel increasingly uncomfortable when they notice that very few other people are still wearing them.

Some have even said they almost feel like others see them as lunatics and they're going insane when they try to explain why they still wear a mask.

I think this quote probably sums it up pretty well:

"When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind".

- C.S. Lewis.

Yep.
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Reply #250 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 1:41pm
 
Oh, and... when was the pandemic "officially" declared over?

And by whom?

No wonder our governments are fighting a losing battle trying to convince people to make sure they're up to date with their Covid vaccinations and boosters.
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Reply #251 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 4:12pm
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 1:41pm:
Oh, and... when was the pandemic "officially" declared over?

And by whom?

No wonder our governments are fighting a losing battle trying to convince people to make sure they're up to date with their Covid vaccinations and boosters.


Yes I know!
Whatever they decide is always contradictory and … well as we always said here in Vic… they keep shifting the goal posts,

If the government or health officials are going to whinge about why boosters are a flop… hence loss of lot$a $$$$$$….. they need to stop shooting themselves in the foot.   Roll Eyes

It’s not the thing trust towards governments is made of.

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Reply #252 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 4:17pm
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 11:43am:
Glad I don't (didn't) live in Victoria, Lols.

And, I'll bet even after all that Daniel Andrews and the ALP will still win next month's Victorian State election.

Speaking of masks - I've seen a few comments from mask wearing people on Twitter lately where they say they're beginning to feel increasingly uncomfortable when they notice that very few other people are still wearing them.

Some have even said they almost feel like others see them as lunatics and they're going insane when they try to explain why they still wear a mask.

I think this quote probably sums it up pretty well:

"When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind".

- C.S. Lewis.

Yep.


Yeah  Angry you and the rest of Oz ….. I don’t forget all other states referring to us as the zombie state!
How the joke was to cut Victoria off from the rest of mainland Oz  Roll Eyes

As for despot getting back in… everywhere I read or talk to people… no one knows anyone that would vote him back in…. then it’s said… it will be rigged that he gets back in.
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Reply #253 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 7:32pm
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 1:41pm:
Oh, and... when was the pandemic "officially" declared over?

And by whom?

No wonder our governments are fighting a losing battle trying to convince people to make sure they're up to date with their Covid vaccinations and boosters.



I think due to the mass vaccinations, most people having had covid  and declining death rates, the overall risk has greatly abated.
I do not think it has been declared 'over'.

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.........  Thu 15 Sep 2022 05.00 AEST
The end of the Covid-19 pandemic is “in sight”, the World Health Organization has declared, after revealing that weekly deaths from the virus around the world were at the lowest level since March 2020.        .........


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/14/end-of-covid-pandemic-in-sight-say...
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #254 - Oct 22nd, 2022 at 7:36pm
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 22nd, 2022 at 1:41pm:
Oh, and... when was the pandemic "officially" declared over?

And by whom?

No wonder our governments are fighting a losing battle trying to convince people to make sure they're up to date with their Covid vaccinations and boosters.


Oh, the Herald Sun.

Of course.

The Herald Sun >>> The Herald and Weekly Times >>> News Corp Australia >>> News Corp. >>> Rupert Murdoch.

Say no more.  Roll Eyes
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