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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #285 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 9:47pm

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 9:04am:

That was clear from the very first day the media got involved.
The propaganda was laughable, yet the masses were frightened into submission.

Then add to the media hype, bill gates.
That prick sat on TV scaring the crap out of people, while he funnelled hundreds of millions into his account, sorry, foundation.
He donated hundreds of millions to media, why?
He had a financial interest in pushing mandatory vaccines, as did half the politicians. Look a pallachooks father.
This insider trading needs thorough investigating, but it will never happen properly.

Can't disagree with any of that. Money and power talks. Everything else walks.

Also, consider that the contracts between the Australian government and these drug companies are the dream deals of a lifetime. If any citizen tries to sue these drug companies for damages(adverse events), these companies are protected by the government against indemnity claims. Hence why the government has now a 2 tiered cap on all compensation claims.

If the government doesn't use-up its stockpile of drugs(vaccines), or misses a payment or a shipment, it will pay a very stiff penalty. Which can include paying out money from the government's own treasury

Also, it won't be until 2099 that we can see the complete list of ingredients in these vaccines. And, compliance is NOT mandatory under their exclusive utility patent.

The Australian government has already invested $17B into this Covid-19 response scheme. We have states competing to be the first with the best vaccine. But what good is a vaccine if no one will use it? That's where the media comes in. If we can turn everyone into vaccine junkies, we can make up any excuse we want.

True capitalism at its finest. The creation of a new market and culture.

I think what is most scary, is just how easy people can be manipulated. Are you familiar with the Milgram experiment? Or, the Asch Conformity and Stanford Prison experiments? Damn our herding instinct, and our need to conform.

If the media broadcasted everyday for a month, about the nutritional and health benefits of fresh s**t, I guarantee that that there will be many Australians willing to give it a go.

Going by those on here that have fallen head first for the media hype surrounding covid, it makes that highlighted sentence even more fitting... Grin

The whole situation stank like a pole cat from the start.
What got me was how easily people were manipulated without any question at all.
Then they'd turn on those asking the important questions.
The media got them 24/7 and it worked.
For someone like me who does not watch MSM, or social media (bar this place) it had no effect.

You make good reading and put it in nice kind ways.
Keep it up.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #286 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 9:47pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

[quote author=Captain_Caveman link=1650450480/272#272 date=1666566261]That was clear from the very first day the media got involved.
The propaganda was laughable, yet the masses were frightened into submission.

Then add to the media hype, bill gates.
That prick sat on TV scaring the crap out of people, while he funnelled hundreds of millions into his account, sorry, foundation.
money from the government's own treasury

Also, it won't be until 2099 that we can see the complete list of ingredients in these vaccines. And, compliance is NOT mandatory under their exclusive utility patent.

The Australian government has already invested $17B into this Covid-19 response scheme. We have states competing to be the first with the best vaccine. But what good is a vaccine if no one will use it? That's where the media comes in. If we can turn everyone into vaccine junkies, we can make up any excuse we want.

True capitalism at its finest. The creation of a new market and culture.

I think what is most scary, is just how easy people can be manipulated. Are you familiar with the Milgram experiment? Or, the Asch Conformity and Stanford Prison experiments? Damn our herding instinct, and our need to conform.

If the media broadcasted everyday for a month, about the nutritional and health benefits of fresh s**t, I guarantee that that there will be many Australians willing to give it a go.

Going by those on here that have fallen head first for the media hype surrounding covid, it makes that highlighted sentence even more fitting... Grin

The whole situation stank like a pole cat from the start.
What got me was how easily people were manipulated without any question at all.
Then they'd turn on those asking the important questions.
The media got them 24/7 and it worked.
For someone like me who does not watch MSM, or social media (bar this place) it had no effect.

You make good reading and put it in nice kind ways.
Keep it up.

i endorse everything you both say.

the anxious people who defer their lives to an authority figure fell for it and now they have no choice but to double down.

its sad to see.

most aussies couldnt be bothered having the boosters and so the government has sniffed the breeze and got out front of it and pretends like it never happened.

lilly livered hypocrites.

from day 1 it has been obvious that people like Gates (who has a degree in coding i believe) have no right to stick their noses into peoples individual health decisions.

maybe gates could decide the abortion issue once and for all.

he seems to have such a high opinion of himself .
would the left and mainstream media accept his expertise in that domain.

pathetic that so many people caved and followed orders like the sheep they are.
the elites certainly know that they can control the masses now and they will be doing just that.

social credit scores and probably a forced conversion of all your funds like super to a government controlled digital currency

as a farmer this was intersting

A recent report by the Food and Agriculture Organisation found that the average kilogram of liveweight beef produced in Uruguay produces 33 kilograms of carbon dioxide equivalent gases.
The figures for Uruguay are relevant for Central Queensland because like them our cattle production system is largely grass fed.
Only about half the liveweight of a cow ends up in edible products so the carbon intensity of your steak would be roughly 60 kilograms. It will cost money to reduce the carbon dioxide in beef production either by reducing stocking rates or by buying the "magic pills" that some reckon will cut the methane that a cow burps or otherwise emits during its life.
Most economic models estimate that a "carbon price" of about 20 cents a kilogram would be needed to achieve "net zero emissions." At that price, you would pay an extra $12 per kilogram for your red meat at the butcher. That would almost double the cost of the rump steak for your next BBQ.
The new Labor government flagged last week that it would join this madness and sign Australia up to the Global Methane Pledge. This pledge commits countries to reduce methane emissions, including those made by cattle, by 30 per cent by 2030. And, the government is committed to Australia becoming "net zero" by 2050.
Why do politicians keep coming up with ways of making it harder to balance family budgets, when Australians are already struggling to make ends meet?

in the next decade i expect everyone to be on a government controlled digital currency

you will go to buy beef or fuel and the regulators will decide if you can or cant

micro control of the sheep and cattle in society.

just like i can micro control my stock if i want to

the population are just dumb animals and almost deserve to be treated as such

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #287 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 7:15am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

most aussies couldnt be bothered having the boosters and so the government has sniffed the breeze and got out front of it and pretends like it never happened.

Incorrect. You have it around the wrong way.

The reason why most Aussies couldn't/still can't be bothered is because our Federal and State governments (and the media, of course) have deceived almost everyone into believing the pandemic is over.

Which is also incorrect. See the attached image from Melbourne's Herald Sun which was printed October 14th. (Original post is here) as a perfect example.

And, I've lost count of how many times I've seen the words "post COVID" and "post pandemic" in our own West Australian paper over the past month or so.

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the population are just dumb animals and almost deserve to be treated as such.

Finally - something we can both agree on. And, this is exactly the sort of population our governments, big business and the media want and like to have.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #289 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 10:25am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 9:47pm:

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

[quote author=Captain_Caveman link=1650450480/272#272 date=1666566261]That was clear from the very first day the media got involved.
The propaganda was laughable, yet the masses were frightened into submission.

Then add to the media hype, bill gates.
That prick sat on TV scaring the crap out of people, while he funnelled hundreds of millions into his account, sorry, foundation.
money from the government's own treasury

Also, it won't be until 2099 that we can see the complete list of ingredients in these vaccines. And, compliance is NOT mandatory under their exclusive utility patent.

The Australian government has already invested $17B into this Covid-19 response scheme. We have states competing to be the first with the best vaccine. But what good is a vaccine if no one will use it? That's where the media comes in. If we can turn everyone into vaccine junkies, we can make up any excuse we want.

True capitalism at its finest. The creation of a new market and culture.

I think what is most scary, is just how easy people can be manipulated. Are you familiar with the Milgram experiment? Or, the Asch Conformity and Stanford Prison experiments? Damn our herding instinct, and our need to conform.

If the media broadcasted everyday for a month, about the nutritional and health benefits of fresh s**t, I guarantee that that there will be many Australians willing to give it a go.

Going by those on here that have fallen head first for the media hype surrounding covid, it makes that highlighted sentence even more fitting... Grin

The whole situation stank like a pole cat from the start.
What got me was how easily people were manipulated without any question at all.
Then they'd turn on those asking the important questions.
The media got them 24/7 and it worked.
For someone like me who does not watch MSM, or social media (bar this place) it had no effect.

You make good reading and put it in nice kind ways.
Keep it up.

i endorse everything you both say.

the anxious people who defer their lives to an authority figure fell for it and now they have no choice but to double down.

its sad to see.

most aussies couldnt be bothered having the boosters and so the government has sniffed the breeze and got out front of it and pretends like it never happened.

lilly livered hypocrites.

from day 1 it has been obvious that people like Gates (who has a degree in coding i believe) have no right to stick their noses into peoples individual health decisions.

maybe gates could decide the abortion issue once and for all.

he seems to have such a high opinion of himself .
would the left and mainstream media accept his expertise in that domain.

pathetic that so many people caved and followed orders like the sheep they are.
the elites certainly know that they can control the masses now and they will be doing just that.

social credit scores and probably a forced conversion of all your funds like super to a government controlled digital currency

as a farmer this was intersting

A recent report by the Food and Agriculture Organisation found that the average kilogram of liveweight beef produced in Uruguay produces 33 kilograms of carbon dioxide equivalent gases.
The figures for Uruguay are relevant for Central Queensland because like them our cattle production system is largely grass fed.
Only about half the liveweight of a cow ends up in edible products so the carbon intensity of your steak would be roughly 60 kilograms. It will cost money to reduce the carbon dioxide in beef production either by reducing stocking rates or by buying the "magic pills" that some reckon will cut the methane that a cow burps or otherwise emits during its life.
Most economic models estimate that a "carbon price" of about 20 cents a kilogram would be needed to achieve "net zero emissions." At that price, you would pay an extra $12 per kilogram for your red meat at the butcher. That would almost double the cost of the rump steak for your next BBQ.
The new Labor government flagged last week that it would join this madness and sign Australia up to the Global Methane Pledge. This pledge commits countries to reduce methane emissions, including those made by cattle, by 30 per cent by 2030. And, the government is committed to Australia becoming "net zero" by 2050.
Why do politicians keep coming up with ways of making it harder to balance family budgets, when Australians are already struggling to make ends meet?

in the next decade i expect everyone to be on a government controlled digital currency

you will go to buy beef or fuel and the regulators will decide if you can or cant

micro control of the sheep and cattle in society.

just like i can micro control my stock if i want to

the population are just dumb animals and almost deserve to be treated as such

What we have seen is absolute power corrupting absolutely.
They can go digital all they like. Most households are going to struggle to pay an electricity bill soon.

Funny hey.
Turn the world into an electronic nightmare society. Make it almost impossible to function\participate without it.
Then, ramp up electricity prices.
That's absolute power corrupting absolutely.

The world needs to purge itself of these super rich sociopaths.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #290 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 10:28am

Carl D wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 7:15am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

most aussies couldnt be bothered having the boosters and so the government has sniffed the breeze and got out front of it and pretends like it never happened.

Incorrect. You have it around the wrong way.

The reason why most Aussies couldn't/still can't be bothered is because our Federal and State governments (and the media, of course) have deceived almost everyone into believing the pandemic is over.

Which is also incorrect. See the attached image from Melbourne's Herald Sun which was printed October 14th. (Original post is here) as a perfect example.

And, I've lost count of how many times I've seen the words "post COVID" and "post pandemic" in our own West Australian paper over the past month or so.

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the population are just dumb animals and almost deserve to be treated as such.

Finally - something we can both agree on. And, this is exactly the sort of population our governments, big business and the media want and like to have.

Ironic that you couldn't see them do that in the beginning. You know, when covid started and they scared the crap out of you and your bubble wrapped friends.
No, it's only happening now.

You can't keep a lie going without proof bud.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #291 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 12:33pm

What we have seen is absolute power corrupting absolutely.
They can go digital all they like. Most households are going to struggle to pay an electricity bill soon.

Funny hey.
Turn the world into an electronic nightmare society. Make it almost impossible to function\participate without it.
Then, ramp up electricity prices.
That's absolute power corrupting absolutely.

The world needs to purge itself of these super rich sociopaths.

captain,
unfortunately that probably wont happen .

the president of the USA would have been thought to be the most powerful man on earth, but people like gates and zuck and allan and bezos can just cut him off from the internet,
that shows who really holds power.

all of our consumer society was built on fossil fuels
all our plastic and cheap consumer goods, cheap food, cheap power, cheap transport relied on it.

20 bucks worth of petrol can do more work on my farm than 20,000 bucks worth of manual labor wages.

with that gone, standards of living are going to fall quite rapidly.

as the inflation and debt really start to pinch, the rich elites will usher in a new digital currency

this will be the next level of control

do what your told or you are going to be defunded.

you will get to buy what they want you to buy and in the quantities they allow.

inflation and debt have effectively wiped out the savings of the middle classes.

we will have what clauss shwabb said we will have

'you will own nothing but you will be grateful for it'

you will get to buy whatever frankenstein foods they allow you to buy with your UBI.
you will have no liberty to travel (covid was a test for that with people being tracked by their devices to make sure they stayed put).

of course if you are bezos or gates of shwabb, its private jets wherever you like including to epstein island

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #292 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 2:16pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

from day 1 it has been obvious that people like Gates (who has a degree in coding i believe) have no right to stick their noses into peoples individual health decisions.

maybe gates could decide the abortion issue once and for all.

I'm afraid Bill Gates is a billionaire college dropout. He never received even a bachelors degree. He did however receive an HONORARY Doctorate from Harvard Uni. By tweaking the earlier BASIC programming language, he and is partner(Allen) created the software(language) for Honeywell's first personal computer kit(Altair 8800). He then went on to sell this software and create Microsoft.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

maybe gates could decide the abortion issue once and for all.

he seems to have such a high opinion of himself .
would the left and mainstream media accept his expertise in that domain.

I totally agree with his opinion regarding abortion rights for women. But, I think that his opinion on pretty much anything, is no more better informed than anyone else's. And, I doubt that he could influence any of the right wingnuts.

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Reply #293 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 2:36pm

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

from day 1 it has been obvious that people like Gates (who has a degree in coding i believe) have no right to stick their noses into peoples individual health decisions.

maybe gates could decide the abortion issue once and for all.

I'm afraid Bill Gates is a billionaire college dropout. He never received even a bachelors degree. He did however receive an HONORARY Doctorate from Harvard Uni. By tweaking the earlier BASIC programming language, he and is partner(Allen) created the software(language) for Honeywell's first personal computer kit(Altair 8800). He then went on to sell this software and create Microsoft.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

maybe gates could decide the abortion issue once and for all.

he seems to have such a high opinion of himself .
would the left and mainstream media accept his expertise in that domain.

I totally agree with his opinion regarding abortion rights for women. But, I think that his opinion on pretty much anything, is no more better informed than anyone else's. And, I doubt that he could influence any of the right wingnuts.

i dont know what his opinion is.
i hope its "women can do what they want, its none of my business"
thats certainly not the opinion of the elites when they want to control other behaviours.

when they introduce the social credit system, you and i wont be allowed to criticise the elites or their puppet politicians. if you do, you will go to buy food or fuel and your blockchained funds wont transfer.

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Reply #294 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 3:23pm

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

from day 1 it has been obvious that people like Gates (who has a degree in coding i believe) have no right to stick their noses into peoples individual health decisions.

maybe gates could decide the abortion issue once and for all.

I'm afraid Bill Gates is a billionaire college dropout. He never received even a bachelors degree. He did however receive an HONORARY Doctorate from Harvard Uni. By tweaking the earlier BASIC programming language, he and is partner(Allen) created the software(language) for Honeywell's first personal computer kit(Altair 8800). He then went on to sell this software and create Microsoft.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 5:16am:

maybe gates could decide the abortion issue once and for all.

he seems to have such a high opinion of himself .
would the left and mainstream media accept his expertise in that domain.

I totally agree with his opinion regarding abortion rights for women. But, I think that his opinion on pretty much anything, is no more better informed than anyone else's. And, I doubt that he could influence any of the right wingnuts.

Microsoft was founded 5 years before this project, it was Microsoft what worked with IBM.

They did a lot more than just supply the base software. They pushed the system to 16 bit operation which put them about 5 years in front of apple. This greatly contributed to their success. It allowed them to have superior graphics and much more complex higher quality applications. Which they also supplied.

Gates Zuckerberg and Page - (Microsoft, Facebook and Google) all dropped out because the companies they founded or were starting up were becoming too successful to be managed part time.

Officially Gates took a leave of absence from Harvard to start up Microsoft. He intended to go back.

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Reply #295 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 7:37pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 3:23pm:

Microsoft was founded 5 years before this project, it was Microsoft what worked with IBM.

I was not talking about the project to build and sell the first personal computer. This accolade goes to the Kenbak 1, PC. Which was designed in 1970(gates was only 15yo). But it was really far from the PC that we know today. I was talking about the Altair 8800, because it was the PC that started the PC revolution. It was the PC that inspired Gates in "Popular Electronics". It was the computer that the name "personal computer" was coined. It was developed in 1974. But it was limited to just flicking levers.

Gates and Allen DID write the programming software for this computer to get away from flicking these levers. This programming also allowed the computer the freedom to connect/interface with other hardware.

Microsoft was founded by Gates and Allen in 1975. A year after his programming was proving successful.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 3:23pm:

They did a lot more than just supply the base software. They pushed the system to 16 bit operation which put them about 5 years in front of apple. This greatly contributed to their success. It allowed them to have superior graphics and much more complex higher quality applications. Which they also supplied.

It was in 1980 that Microsoft worked with IBM. The deal was to provide an operating system for IBM's first personal computer. And 5 years later "Windows" was released(1985). By the end of the 80's Microsoft was the world's largest PC SOFTWARE company in the world.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 3:23pm:

Gates Zuckerberg and Page - (Microsoft, Facebook and Google) all dropped out because the companies they founded or were starting up were becoming too successful to be managed part time.

I was not being judgmental. You were implying that Gates might have some "coding" degree/qualifications. I was clarifying that he does not. If he wasn't very intelligent, he would NOT be going to Harvard. The most elite Uni in the US. But this doesn't change the fact, that he is still a college drop-out, AND NEVER WENT BACK from his leave of absence.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 3:23pm:

Officially Gates took a leave of absence from Harvard to start up Microsoft. He intended to go back.

His intentions are irrelevant. What is relevant, is that he never went back.

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Reply #296 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 10:58pm

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 7:37pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 3:23pm:

Microsoft was founded 5 years before this project, it was Microsoft what worked with IBM.

I was not talking about the project to build and sell the first personal computer. This accolade goes to the Kenbak 1, PC. Which was designed in 1970(gates was only 15yo). But it was really far from the PC that we know today. I was talking about the Altair 8800, because it was the PC that started the PC revolution. It was the PC that inspired Gates in "Popular Electronics". It was the computer that the name "personal computer" was coined. It was developed in 1974. But it was limited to just flicking levers.

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I was talking about the Altair 8800

Yes Microsoft's first product was for the Altair 8800, I got the timing wrong I thought that this was in 1980/81 with Microsoft founded in 1975 but they were both in 1975.

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Reply #297 - Oct 25^th, 2022 at 11:07pm

ShellShilo wrote on Oct 25^th, 2022 at 7:37pm:

I was not being judgmental. You were implying that Gates might have some "coding" degree/qualifications. I was clarifying that he does not. If he wasn't very intelligent, he would NOT be going to Harvard. The most elite Uni in the US. But this doesn't change the fact, that he is still a college drop-out, AND NEVER WENT BACK from his leave of absence.

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I was not being judgmental.

Didn't think you were - at this point I was just adding information.

Gates wasn't a great technician or programmer. He was a great technical businessman. The vast majority of what he did was to leverage the work of others. He purchased an existing OS which he had further developed by employed programmers.

He had the vision, the development planning and entrepreneurial skills.

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Reply #298 - Oct 26^th, 2022 at 11:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 24^th, 2022 at 7:51pm:

New York for example - A hub city which had covid19 present in numbers before anything could be done had an initial fatality rate of about 9.2% and 32.1% among hospitalized patients.

Had we left the barn door wide open we may have achieved similar numbers. Our success was due to the actions we took. Not the other way around.

Australian Bureau of Statistics data shows those under 60 years of age had a 99.9% survival rate up to Delta variant with just over 20% vaxxed.

Looking at your NY numbers did you consider Andrew Cuomo stuffed up in sending covid patients back into aged care when it was well known older people are at far greater risk or do you lie and twist your narrative to push your idiotic beliefs?

ABS data shows those over 90 have case fatality risk around 50% the epidemiologists from the Great Barrington Declaration said we need to focus protection on the elderly and they have been proven right even though idiots like Fauci tried to smear them.

Most of our deaths were aged care patients

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Andrew Cuomo’s Covid-19 nursing home fiasco shows the ethical perils of pandemic policymaking

WASHINGTON — The humbling of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo on pandemic policy has been spectacular and swift. Within a matter of days, one of America’s most trusted voices in the early days of the Covid-19 pandemic became a political pariah.

Outrage over Cuomo’s decisions — first, to require nursing homes to accept Covid-19-positive patients when New York’s hospitals were overflowing, and then, to hide data about deaths of nursing home residents — has engulfed Albany in recent weeks. Court orders, leaks, and investigations revealed that Cuomo dramatically and intentionally understated the pandemic’s toll on nursing home residents in New York.

Cuomo’s fall from grace is a cautionary tale of the perils of policymaking during a public health crisis. Making the right decisions in the early days of battling a novel virus is incredibly difficult, and leaders shouldn’t fear retribution for tough choices they made in good faith, five ethicists and public health experts told STAT. But that doesn’t absolve leaders from taking responsibility for their missteps.

The ethicists said that Cuomo’s conduct stands out not because the policy he put in place was especially egregious, but because he obscured public health data for political gain.

Cuomo wasn’t alone in prohibiting nursing homes from discriminating against patients based on their Covid-19 infection status

“Cuomo got such positive press as someone who was a straight shooter, particularly in contrast to somebody like President Trump. … Lying about the nursing home data is antithetical to that, and caused a real problem,” said Michael Gusmano, a professor of health policy at Rutgers University.

Cuomo’s office did not respond to questions about his administration’s nursing home data reporting.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/cuomos-nursing-home-fiasco-ethical-perils-pa...

Trump wanted to lock down NY and NJ which outraged Cuomo who then threatened legal action if Trump tried to do that.

The actions we took were wrong with just about everything.

Those who claim lockdowns worked fail to recognise Victoria has the world record for lockdowns while simultaneously having the most deaths in Australia.

Masks don't stop Aerosols this is proven fact. The social distancing distance we had wasn't effective and washing hands only prevented you from infections from people who didn't wash their hands after going to the toilet.

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Reply #299 - Oct 27^th, 2022 at 2:27am

What a lot of this mask v. no mask debate ignores is that in the early days
of the pandemic, when we knew very little about the transmission of the
COVID virus, it was obviously better health-wise to err on the side of caution.

In fact it was only earlier this year that it was evidenced that for people of
normal good health, masks were unnecessary.

It's all too easy to be wise after the event. It should also be noted that the
OP article wasn't published until April 2022. If writer John Tierney was so
confident that masks were definitely of no use, why then did he not publish
his claim in April 2020? Well... simply because he and the rest of the world
didn't know at that time one way or the other. So caution—rightly—prevailed.

Tierney is one of the "influential but misinformed skeptics" who have helped
prevent the United States from taking action on climate change, and claims
that global warming would boost its economy.

—I rest my case m'lud.

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