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Reply #390 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 9:03pm
 
That's good Sophia.

One thing to keep in mind though - we don't breathe through our hands.

The majority of Covid infections are caused by inhaling the virus - like you inhale smoke.

Always have been the case despite people like Nick "Welcome to 2022, the year the pandemic ends" Coatsworth trying to tell us Covid isn't airborne.
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Reply #391 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 10:44pm
 
Carl D wrote on Jan 3rd, 2023 at 9:03pm:
That's good Sophia.

One thing to keep in mind though - we don't breathe through our hands.

The majority of Covid infections are caused by inhaling the virus - like you inhale smoke.

Always have been the case despite people like Nick "Welcome to 2022, the year the pandemic ends" Coatsworth trying to tell us Covid isn't airborne.


When did Nick say covid wasn't airborne got a link?

Quote:
Health authorities clarify position on COVID aerosol spread


30 Oct 2020

Recognition of the potential for airborne spread of the coronavirus has been taken one step further by the Infection Control Expert Group (ICEG).

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Nick Coatsworth also recently came under fire on Twitter after suggesting health authorities had recognised aerosol transmission since July, with a number of people calling on the ICEG to update its guidance for healthcare workers to reflect the threat posed by aerosols.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/cdna-further-acknowledges-covid-aeroso...


Was Nick saying aerosol transmission was recognised since July 2020 which was around 2 years earlier than the CDC and WHO?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #392 - Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:22pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 10:44pm:
When did Nick say covid wasn't airborne got a link?


Deputy Chief Medical Officer interview on Sky News Live First Edition on 6 May 2020

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LAURA JAYES:

Do we have a better handle on how this has been transmitted through our community? Is it that this is airborne? Is it and that it's hand-to-hand contact? Or is the disease surviving on surfaces? Or is it a combination of all three?

NICK COATSWORTH:

COVID-19 is definitely not an airborne pathogen. When you have airborne pathogens, like measles for example, the basic reproductive number that we've all come to know so well is much higher than what it is for COVID-19 – so, so definitely not an airborne. It's got- this is a droplet pathogen which means it settles on surfaces. Once it is coughed up or expectorated it tends to- it drops to the ground very quickly. And that's why hand hygiene and physical distance are our most important measures, and will be our most important measures particularly when we start opening businesses that they that they enable processes that allow us to keep our distance from each other until we have a vaccine or effective treatment.

LAURA JAYES:

Okay. So I just want to rule that out. That it's not airborne, so there is no concerns about it going through air conditioning in planes for example.

NICK COATSWORTH:

That's, that's correct, Laura. And I'll give you a good example – we use the measles example again. If you- you can get measles if you're standing next to someone from a very short period of time, but you can't get COVID with- in that sort of scenario. COVID, we know by the contact definition, requires contact of greater than 15 minutes just to give you a high likelihood of transmission. So no concerns there from the general public for airborne transmission of COVID.


Yes, that was from two and a half years ago during the early stages of the pandemic but as far as I know he's never retracted that statement and admitted Covid is and always has been airborne.

And, he's copped a lot of well deserved criticism for it ever since.

Also:

Why the WHO took two years to say COVID is airborne

Early in the pandemic, the World Health Organization stated that SARS-CoV-2 was not transmitted through the air. That mistake and the prolonged process of correcting it sowed confusion and raises questions about what will happen in the next pandemic.

6 April 2022

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As 2021 drew to a close, the highly contagious Omicron variant of the pandemic virus was racing around the globe, forcing governments to take drastic actions once again. The Netherlands ordered most businesses to close on 19 December, Ireland set curfews and many countries imposed travel bans in the hope of taming the tsunami of COVID-19 cases filling hospitals. Amid the wave of desperate news around the year-end holidays, one group of researchers hailed a development that had seemed as though it might never arrive. On 23 December, the World Health Organization (WHO) uttered the one word it had previously seemed incapable of applying to the virus SARS-CoV-2: ‘airborne’.

On its website, a page titled ‘Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): How is it transmitted?’ was quietly edited to state that a person can be infected “when infectious particles that pass through the air are inhaled at short range”, a process otherwise known as “short-range aerosol or short-range airborne transmission”. The website says that transmission can occur through “long-range airborne transmission” in poorly ventilated or crowded indoor settings “because aerosols can remain suspended in the air or travel farther than conversational distance”.

“It was a relief to see them finally use the word ‘airborne’, and to say clearly that airborne transmission and aerosol transmission are synonyms,” says aerosol chemist Jose-Luis Jimenez at the University of Colorado Boulder.


I have no medical training whatsoever but even I knew Covid must have been airborne right from the start of the pandemic because there was absolutely no other way the virus could have spread and infected so many so quickly if it wasn't.

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Reply #393 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm
 
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.
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Reply #394 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:14pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.


What part of will not provide any protection against covid or other viruses do you fail to comprehend?




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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #395 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:25pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.



What about people coughing their guts out in shopping centers
with no masks and not covering their mouths with anything?

I reckon it was a fat Chinaman at a food court that
gave it me by doing that.
I moved away but it was too late.
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Reply #396 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:50pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.


You're an idiot that's why you believed they worked.
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Reply #397 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:25pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.



What about people coughing their guts out in shopping centers
with no masks and not covering their mouths with anything?

I reckon it was a fat Chinaman at a food court that
gave it me by doing that.
I moved away but it was too late.


What if they're coughing because they smoke? It's not just people with covid who cough.

You could have caught it from a vaccinated person who was asymptomatic and didn't even know they had it and were spreading it.

It's airborne i guess you picked it up indoors somewhere.

If it was droplet and fomite transmission like they incorrectly assumed then social distancing and washing hands would have eradicated it.


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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #398 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:04pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:14pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.


What part of will not provide any protection against Covid or other viruses do you fail to comprehend?

LOL... are you really supporting your case against masks by posting
a YouTube clip from an old movie?     Seriously?

And the wearing of the blue surgical/theatre mask has long been
acknowledged by medical authorities as being a poor choice for
the wider public.       Nothing new there.

On the other hand, an N95 mask offers the highest level of protection. 
It gives more protection than a medical mask does because it filters
out both large and small [3.0 μm] particles when the wearer inhales.


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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #399 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:05pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:14pm:
What part of will not provide any protection against covid or other viruses do you fail to comprehend?


We've already done this one, remember?

Several times if you include others who have brought this up since the start of the pandemic.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1650450480/366#366

Scroll down from there.

Oh, and the answer to "how come you can still smell farts through a N/KN95 mask?" is in there too before you ask.

(Ah, I see Geoff beat me to it).  Smiley
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Reply #400 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:10pm
 
Carl D wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:22pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 10:44pm:
When did Nick say covid wasn't airborne got a link?


Deputy Chief Medical Officer interview on Sky News Live First Edition on 6 May 2020

Quote:
LAURA JAYES:

Do we have a better handle on how this has been transmitted through our community? Is it that this is airborne? Is it and that it's hand-to-hand contact? Or is the disease surviving on surfaces? Or is it a combination of all three?

NICK COATSWORTH:

COVID-19 is definitely not an airborne pathogen. When you have airborne pathogens, like measles for example, the basic reproductive number that we've all come to know so well is much higher than what it is for COVID-19 – so, so definitely not an airborne. It's got- this is a droplet pathogen which means it settles on surfaces. Once it is coughed up or expectorated it tends to- it drops to the ground very quickly. And that's why hand hygiene and physical distance are our most important measures, and will be our most important measures particularly when we start opening businesses that they that they enable processes that allow us to keep our distance from each other until we have a vaccine or effective treatment.

LAURA JAYES:

Okay. So I just want to rule that out. That it's not airborne, so there is no concerns about it going through air conditioning in planes for example.

NICK COATSWORTH:

And I'll give you a good example – we use the measles example again. If you- you can get measles if you're standing next to someone from a very short period of time, but you can't get COVID with- in that sort of scenario. COVID, we know by the contact definition, requires contact of greater than 15 minutes just to give you a high likelihood of transmission. So no concerns there from the general public for airborne transmission of COVID.


Yes, that was from two and a half years ago during the early stages of the pandemic but as far as I know he's never retracted that statement and admitted Covid is and always has been airborne.

And, he's copped a lot of well deserved criticism for it ever since.

Also:

Why the WHO took two years to say COVID is airborne

Early in the pandemic, the World Health Organization stated that SARS-CoV-2 was not transmitted through the air. That mistake and the prolonged process of correcting it sowed confusion and raises questions about what will happen in the next pandemic.

6 April 2022

Quote:
As 2021 drew to a close, the highly contagious Omicron variant of the pandemic virus was racing around the globe, forcing governments to take drastic actions once again. The Netherlands ordered most businesses to close on 19 December, Ireland set curfews and many countries imposed travel bans in the hope of taming the tsunami of COVID-19 cases filling hospitals. Amid the wave of desperate news around the year-end holidays, one group of researchers hailed a development that had seemed as though it might never arrive. On 23 December, the World Health Organization (WHO) uttered the one word it had previously seemed incapable of applying to the virus SARS-CoV-2: ‘airborne’.

On its website, a page titled ‘Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): How is it transmitted?’ was quietly edited to state that a person can be infected “when infectious particles that pass through the air are inhaled at short range”, a process otherwise known as “short-range aerosol or short-range airborne transmission”. The website says that transmission can occur through “long-range airborne transmission” in poorly ventilated or crowded indoor settings “because aerosols can remain suspended in the air or travel farther than conversational distance”.

“It was a relief to see them finally use the word ‘airborne’, and to say clearly that airborne transmission and aerosol transmission are synonyms,” says aerosol chemist Jose-Luis Jimenez at the University of Colorado Boulder.


I have no medical training whatsoever but even I knew Covid must have been airborne right from the start of the pandemic because there was absolutely no other way the virus could have spread and infected so many so quickly if it wasn't.



With people like Fauci, Coates, Sutton Chant etc they're adminstrators they mange health depts they don't know what is going on at the bottom. Gerard from Qld might be different he is new to the job he treated Tom Hanks covid so he has been on the frontline. They are the link between politicians and health they get compromised by that fluent bullshit called political science. They're more political than medical when they become administrators politicians never retract.

At least Coates changed his mind to airborne transmission within a much shorter time after reviewing evidence.He did a better job of following the science than fauci.

If you look at the RACGP website i linked our experts were frustrated our political leaders ignored them on this issue and blindly followed the CDC and WHO who were wrong. This was one of our biggest failures in handling this pandemic we should have listened to our experts.

The Diamond Princess cruise ship reports showed the Japanese were first to recognise it's airborne
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #401 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:11pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:25pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.



What about people coughing their guts out in shopping centers
with no masks and not covering their mouths with anything?

I reckon it was a fat Chinaman at a food court that
gave it me by doing that.
I moved away but it was too late.


What if they're coughing because they smoke? It's not just people with covid who cough.

You could have caught it from a vaccinated person who was asymptomatic and didn't even know they had it and were spreading it.

It's airborne i guess you picked it up indoors somewhere.

If it was droplet and fomite transmission like they incorrectly assumed then social distancing and washing hands would have eradicated it.






Who knows?
You can never prove where you got it.
Airborne viruses are unstoppable.

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Reply #402 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:19pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:04pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:14pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.


What part of will not provide any protection against Covid or other viruses do you fail to comprehend?

LOL... are you really supporting your case against masks by posting
a YouTube clip from an old movie?     Seriously?

And the wearing of the blue surgical/theatre mask has long been
acknowledged by medical authorities as being a poor choice for
the wider public.       Nothing new there.

On the other hand, an N95 mask offers the highest level of protection. 
It gives more protection than a medical mask does because it filters
out both large and small [3.0 μm] particles when the wearer inhales.




I was strongly for N95 from day 1 that's all i wore. I still have a box of unused N95.

After reviewing the evidence i stopped using it.

N95s aren't approved for asbestos the smallest asbestos particles are still over 50 times larger than covid. I have also linked a video from an industrial hygienist at a senate hearing expaling why masks don't work in this thread go back and listen to people who ensure safety for workers.

I have linked studies that show a 1% difference with N95 and surgical masks for preventing covid. 1% is not statistically relevant.

We have an even larger study comparing Germany to Sweden. Germany had N95 mask mandate Sweden didn't have any mandates.

If N95s worked we should see a significant difference between Germany and Sweden yet we don't because they don't work.
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Reply #403 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:21pm
 
If the Branch Covidian religion want to wear a mask i don't care.

Don't force me to wear something that doesn't work.
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Reply #404 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 9:11pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:25pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
When mask mandates were in place we had around 2,000 deaths.

12 months after they were removed we have over 17,000 deaths.

Masks didn't work - sure they didn't. Idiots.



What about people coughing their guts out in shopping centers
with no masks and not covering their mouths with anything?

I reckon it was a fat Chinaman at a food court that
gave it me by doing that.
I moved away but it was too late.


What if they're coughing because they smoke? It's not just people with covid who cough.

You could have caught it from a vaccinated person who was asymptomatic and didn't even know they had it and were spreading it.

It's airborne i guess you picked it up indoors somewhere.

If it was droplet and fomite transmission like they incorrectly assumed then social distancing and washing hands would have eradicated it.






Who knows?
You can never prove where you got it.
Airborne viruses are unstoppable.



I have told you many times indoors with poor ventilation is the worst place to be.

Being outside in the sun (uv kills it) and the wind is probably the best place.
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