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Reply #435 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:51pm

Carl D wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

I'll try to help Baron out again.

Upgrade Your Mask for the Best Protection

I don't need someone who is clueless about science pretending to help me out.

What is the date on your links, is it oudated information that is proven to be wrong?

Did you see the study i posted published Jan 2023 or do you ignore evidence that proves you're wrong?

N95s have warning labels as well

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #436 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:52pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 4:29pm:

There is no evidence masks work with covid.

The mask mandates were bullshit the only thing they achieved was giving the gullible a warm feeling our politicians were doing something.

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Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses

30 January 2023

Objectives

To assess the effectiveness of physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of acute respiratory viruses.

Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks

N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks
The use of a N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks probably makes little or no difference for the objective and more precise outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza infection
Restricting pooling to healthcare workers made no difference to the overall findings.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full

It's easy to see people like Greg, Carl and Dnarever have no understanding of science.

When looking at studies look at when it was published Carl, Greg and Dnarever continue to quote obsolete outdated information that has proven to be wrong. With science when something is proven to be wrong it's thrown in the rubbish and the truth is embraced.They are like flat earthers who ignore the evidence and continue to claim the earth is flat.

I highlighted the date for a reason there is no cure for their ignorance.

There was no evidence masks work with viral infections before covid and there is no evidence they work with covid.

These people spread misinformation about vax preventing infection and transmission which we know is false. It's now accepted as truth vax doesn't stop transmission or infection despite earlier claims.

When will people realise they were also wrong with masks?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #437 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:54pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:51pm:

Carl D wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

I'll try to help Baron out again.

Upgrade Your Mask for the Best Protection

I don't need someone who is clueless about science pretending to help me out.

What is the date on your links, is it oudated information that is proven to be wrong?

Did you see the study i posted published Jan 2023 or do you ignore evidence that proves you're wrong?

N95s have warning labels as well

Nobody has ever claimed that a mask will "eliminate the risk".

However, they do reduce the risk.

Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #438 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:58pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 4:29pm:

There is no evidence masks work with covid.

The mask mandates were bullshit the only thing they achieved was giving the gullible a warm feeling our politicians were doing something.

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Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses

30 January 2023

Objectives

To assess the effectiveness of physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of acute respiratory viruses.

Medical/surgical masks compared to no masks
Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks

N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks
The use of a N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks probably makes little or no difference for the objective and more precise outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza infection
Restricting pooling to healthcare workers made no difference to the overall findings.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full

It's easy to see people like Greg, Carl and Dnarever have no understanding of science.

When looking at studies look at when it was published Carl, Greg and Dnarever continue to quote obsolete outdated information that has proven to be wrong. With science when something is proven to be wrong it's thrown in the rubbish and the truth is embraced.They are like flat earthers who ignore the evidence and continue to claim the earth is flat.

I highlighted the date for a reason there is no cure for their ignorance.

There was no evidence masks work with viral infections before covid and there is no evidence they work with covid.

These people spread misinformation about vax preventing infection and transmission which we know is false. It's now accepted as truth vax doesn't stop transmission or infection despite earlier claims.

When will people realise they were also wrong with masks?

It appears people have reading comprehension problems to go with scientific ignorance.

What does little to no difference mean with masks vs no mask and surgical vs N95?

We accept these peoplw were wrong with vax yet some can't accept they were wrong with masks.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137173 Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #439 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm Nobody has ever claimed that a mask will "eliminate the risk". However, they do reduce the risk. Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12427 Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #440 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:02pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm: Nobody has ever claimed that a mask will "eliminate the risk". However, they do reduce the risk. Once again, you've made a fool of yourself. To what degree did they reduce the risk?
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #441 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

Nobody has ever claimed that a mask will "eliminate the risk".

However, they do reduce the risk.

Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.

To what degree did they reduce the risk?

Not did. Do. The pandemic is not over.

According to the ACGIH Pandemic Response Task Force, an occupational and environmental health group, N95 respirators do the best job at filtering the air you breathe.

The chart below demonstrates how face masks with a higher filtering ability do a better job at preventing the spread of coronavirus.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #442 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

Nobody has ever claimed that a mask will "eliminate the risk".

However, they do reduce the risk.

Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.

To what degree did they reduce the risk?

Not did. Do. The pandemic is not over.

According to the ACGIH Pandemic Response Task Force, an occupational and environmental health group, N95 respirators do the best job at filtering the air you breathe.

The chart below demonstrates how face masks with a higher filtering ability do a better job at preventing the spread of coronavirus.

[width=400 height=400]https://www.samhealth.org/-/media/SHS/Email/EM-SHS-News/AR%20180x210/masks-and-compared-effectiveness-SP.jpg[]

How did they determine those efficacy figures?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #443 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:51pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

Nobody has ever claimed that a mask will "eliminate the risk".

However, they do reduce the risk.

Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.

To what degree did they reduce the risk?

Not did. Do. The pandemic is not over.

According to the ACGIH Pandemic Response Task Force, an occupational and environmental health group, N95 respirators do the best job at filtering the air you breathe.

The chart below demonstrates how face masks with a higher filtering ability do a better job at preventing the spread of coronavirus.

[width=400 height=400]https://www.samhealth.org/-/media/SHS/Email/EM-SHS-News/AR%20180x210/masks-and-compared-effectiveness-SP.jpg[]

How did they determine those efficacy figures?

Jewish space lasers.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #444 - Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:59pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

Nobody has ever claimed that a mask will "eliminate the risk".

However, they do reduce the risk.

Once again, you've made a fool of yourself.

To what degree did they reduce the risk?

Not did. Do. The pandemic is not over.

According to the ACGIH Pandemic Response Task Force, an occupational and environmental health group, N95 respirators do the best job at filtering the air you breathe.

The chart below demonstrates how face masks with a higher filtering ability do a better job at preventing the spread of coronavirus.

[width=400 height=400]https://www.samhealth.org/-/media/SHS/Email/EM-SHS-News/AR%20180x210/masks-and-compared-effectiveness-SP.jpg[]

How did they determine those efficacy figures?

Greg is still citing obsolete outdated wrong information and showing everyone he doesn't have a clue about science.

They linked to the CDC they didn't determine anything.

The very same CDC who couldn't produce any evidence masks worked when taken to court for mask mandates on planes.

It appears they didn't want to bullshit under oath. Any dodgy study they produced they would be questioned which would cause them to lose even more credibility.

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Martin Kulldorff
@MartinKulldorff
"Just two weeks to ..."

CDC scientists had two+ years to study masks, unable to provide scientific evidence they work.

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1516750527287087110?cxt=HHwWjMCq_bCky...

The CDC have stuffed up numerous times with Covid i can't think of anything they got right.

The CDC director said Vaccinated people don't carry the virus they don't get sick

The CDC were wrong about vaccines and they're wrong about masks. Mask mandates have been removed because they don't work politicians don't want to admit they were wrong.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #445 - Feb 5^th, 2023 at 9:50pm

Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses?

Key messages
We are uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed.

Hand hygiene programmes may help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses.

[url]https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses[/url]
Cochrane is an international network with headquarters in the UK, a registered not-for-profit organization, and a member of the UK National Council for Voluntary Organizations.

Cochrane is for anyone interested in using high-quality information to make health decisions. Whether you are a clinician, patient or carer, researcher, or policy-maker, Cochrane evidence provides a powerful tool to enhance your healthcare knowledge and decision-making.

Cochrane's members and supporters come from more than 190 countries, worldwide. We are researchers, health professionals, patients, carers, and people passionate about improving health outcomes for everyone, everywhere. Our global independent network gathers and summarizes the best evidence from research to help you make informed choices about treatment and we have been doing this for 30 years.

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Reply #446 - Feb 5^th, 2023 at 11:14pm

Might be needing a mask mandate for this one soon.

Wonder how long the pollies will be able to ignore this if (when) it starts spreading amongst humans?

A Malignant Flu May Soon Evolve to Infect and Kill Humans, Report Says

Scientists fear a mammal-to-mammal spread could lead to global catastrophe.

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Last fall, on a mink farm in Spain, H5N1 (avian influenza) likely spread across the animals. The outbreak resulted in the death or culling of the entire group of 50,000 minks.

Why should you care? Because it may have marked the first known case of mammal-to-mammal transmission of the deadly virus known as the bird flu, according to a new study. And that doesn’t portend anything good for humans.

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“It could have deadly consequences,” Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease specialists, tells CBC News. “This is an infection that has epidemic and pandemic potential. I don’t know if people recognize how big a deal this is.”

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The H5N1 avian influenza is notorious for a near 100-percent mortality rate in birds. While mammals aren’t catching the virus at the same rate as birds, they aren’t immune to the effects: bird flu has a global WHO mortality rate of greater than 50 percent for humans.

So far, the human infections link to contact with an infected bird, which is why the mammal-to-mammal possibility becomes the troubling part of this entire scenario. If a mammal, such as a mink, can become an intermediary host, the virus can then mutate to pose an even greater risk to other mammals, including humans.

Of course, the usual response from the pollies (and the media) will be "Nothing to see here... move along... move along...".

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #447 - Feb 5^th, 2023 at 11:17pm

Frank wrote on Feb 5^th, 2023 at 9:50pm:

Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses?

Key messages
We are uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed.

Hand hygiene programmes may help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses.

[url]https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-measures-such-hand-washing-or-wearing-masks-stop-or-slow-down-spread-respiratory-viruses[/url]
Cochrane is an international network with headquarters in the UK, a registered not-for-profit organization, and a member of the UK National Council for Voluntary Organizations.

Cochrane is for anyone interested in using high-quality information to make health decisions. Whether you are a clinician, patient or carer, researcher, or policy-maker, Cochrane evidence provides a powerful tool to enhance your healthcare knowledge and decision-making.

Cochrane's members and supporters come from more than 190 countries, worldwide. We are researchers, health professionals, patients, carers, and people passionate about improving health outcomes for everyone, everywhere. Our global independent network gathers and summarizes the best evidence from research to help you make informed choices about treatment and we have been doing this for 30 years.

Cochrane is the gold standard for reliability it's case closed masks didn't and don't work.

Before covid the science showed masks don't work for respiratory virus and now this report confirms they don't work with covid. The science with this never changed.

Fauci started off saying masks don't work he was right then. For some reason he abandoned the science when he started saying wear a mask wear 2 wear 3 masks.

Masks don't work mask mandates were bullshit case closed.

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Reply #448 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:26am

I have to ask why it is that the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers on
this forum are so determined—almost psychotically—to push their
points of view that the virus doesn't kill people, or that vaccines are
bogus, or that "big pharma" and/or "the government" are involved
in all sorts of devious behaviour?

Why not simply go about their own ways without having to denigrate
and disparage those of us undertaking COVID vaccination? Why are
they so desperate to "prove" their anti-vaccination stance?

Currently (1 Feb) 97.5% of the eligible Australian population has
completed or is undertaking COVID vaccination, so the anti-vaxxers,
at a mere 2.5% of the population, are definitely on the outer.

And after more than 3 years of viral circulation, and more than a
year of vaccines with boosters, we now have a high degree of
background population immunity to COVID—but with no thanks to
the determined anti-vaxxers who are now living more safely, and
resistant to contracting COVID thanks to the major, rational part of
the population who are vaccinated.

Put simply then, the anti-vaxxers should be thanking the vaccinated
for creating our pseudo-herd immunity, rather than bad mouthing them.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #449 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 3:18am

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:26am:

I have to ask why it is that the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers on
this forum are so determined—almost psychotically—to push their
points of view that the virus doesn't kill people, or that vaccines are
bogus, or that "big pharma" and/or "the government" are involved
in all sorts of devious behaviour?

Why not simply go about their own ways without having to denigrate
and disparage those of us undertaking COVID vaccination? Why are
they so desperate to "prove" their anti-vaccination stance?

Currently (1 Feb) 97.5% of the eligible Australian population has
completed or is undertaking COVID vaccination, so the anti-vaxxers,
at a mere 2.5% of the population, are definitely on the outer.

And after more than 3 years of viral circulation, and more than a
year of vaccines with boosters, we now have a high degree of
background population immunity to COVID—but with no thanks to
the determined anti-vaxxers who are now living more safely, and
resistant to contracting COVID thanks to the major, rational part of
the population who are vaccinated.

Put simply then, the anti-vaxxers should be thanking the vaccinated
for creating our pseudo-herd immunity, rather than bad mouthing them.

I don't really think that you are making a fair assessment, about the rational part of the population who are vaccinated. You are implying/assuming that 97.5% of the population was not forced/coerced into choosing to be vaccinated(with at least one jab). You are trying to marginalize antivaxxers as the irrational outer.

But in reality, if you wanted to continue working in the Food Services Industries(restaurants, cafes, etc.), the Hospitality and Tourist Industries, the Healthcare Industries, the Police and Law Enforcement Industries, the Teaching and Education Industries, the Building and Construction Industries, and the Travel Industries, THEN YOU HAD TO HAVE A JAB(or 5 or 6)!! Or, you could have chosen to be fired, or quit, and go on the dole!

The government also wanted to withhold all pensions and Centrelink payments, until proof of vaccination could be verified. But, with the closure of so many small businesses, the optics of this madness was just a bridge too far. Even for the most die-hard pro-vaccine activist.

I wonder what the TRUE percentage of the rational population would be, if their vaccination decision was not mandated, coerced, or forced? I'm sure that taking a vaccine was never mentioned in their job description!

Also, being vaccinated does NOT prevent you from becoming infected. Nor, does it stop you from spreading this virus. And, I have no idea what "..resistant to contracting COVID..", even means!

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