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Reply #450 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 5:13am
 
Masks did as much as they do today.
Help identify bed wetters and junkies.

You can't be antivax if there's not a vaccine to begin with.
Trial testing is not a vaccine. It was rushed through in false data, data that is surfacing daily now and the recipients are part of the testing procedure.

Smart people could follow the money in all of this.
Dumb people are lining up for number 4, or is it 5, syrup shots.
Thank goodness there's not that many dumb people left as the numbers for these syrup boosters is dropping fast, and masks are 1 in 10,000.
Why?
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Reply #451 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:16am
 
I've posted this before but I do believe it is worth repeating.

Sociopaths Are More Likely to Refuse Wearing a Mask and Other COVID-19 Measures, Study Finds

23rd August 2020

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A new study from Brazil has found that people with sociopathic traits are more likely to not comply with mask-wearing and other measures to limit the spread of coronavirus.


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The researchers found that those who had higher scores in traits including callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness and risk-taking tended to be less compliant with COVID-19 containment measures, such as mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing.


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But those who had higher levels of empathy tended to be more compliant with the measures.


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"Our findings indicated that antisocial traits, especially lower levels of empathy and higher levels of Callousness, Deceitfulness, and Risk-taking, are directly associated with lower compliance with containment measures," the authors wrote in the conclusion of their study.


Yes, lots of those sorts of people here in Australia. And several of them are on this forum.
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Reply #452 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:21am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:26am:
I have to ask why it is that the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers on
this forum are so determined—almost psychotically—to push their
points of view that the virus doesn't kill people, or that vaccines are
bogus, or that "big pharma" and/or "the government" are involved
in all sorts of devious behaviour?

Why not simply go about their own ways without having to denigrate
and disparage those of us undertaking COVID vaccination?  Why are
they so desperate to "prove" their anti-vaccination stance?

Currently (1 Feb) 97.5% of the eligible Australian population has
completed or is undertaking COVID vaccination, so the anti-vaxxers,
at a mere 2.5% of the population, are definitely on the outer.

And after more than 3 years of viral circulation, and more than a
year of vaccines with boosters, we now have a high degree of
background population immunity to COVID—but with no thanks to
the determined anti-vaxxers who are now living more safely, and
resistant to contracting COVID thanks to the major, rational part of
the population who are vaccinated.

Put simply then, the anti-vaxxers should be thanking the vaccinated
for creating our pseudo-herd immunity, rather than bad mouthing them.




"COVID-deniers".
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Reply #453 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 10:46am
 
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Reply #454 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:35am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:21am:
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:26am:
I have to ask why it is that the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers on
this forum are so determined—almost psychotically—to push their
points of view that the virus doesn't kill people, or that vaccines are
bogus, or that "big pharma" and/or "the government" are involved
in all sorts of devious behaviour?

Why not simply go about their own ways without having to denigrate
and disparage those of us undertaking COVID vaccination?  Why are
they so desperate to "prove" their anti-vaccination stance?

Currently (1 Feb) 97.5% of the eligible Australian population has
completed or is undertaking COVID vaccination, so the anti-vaxxers,
at a mere 2.5% of the population, are definitely on the outer.

And after more than 3 years of viral circulation, and more than a
year of vaccines with boosters, we now have a high degree of
background population immunity to COVID—but with no thanks to
the determined anti-vaxxers who are now living more safely, and
resistant to contracting COVID thanks to the major, rational part of
the population who are vaccinated.

Put simply then, the anti-vaxxers should be thanking the vaccinated
for creating our pseudo-herd immunity, rather than bad mouthing them.




"COVID-deniers".
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin




On Twitter and elsewhere it is not uncommon for people to talk about “the covid hoax.”

You should get out more, Sore End.
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Reply #455 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:35am:
Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:21am:
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:26am:
I have to ask why it is that the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers on
this forum are so determined—almost psychotically—to push their
points of view that the virus doesn't kill people, or that vaccines are
bogus, or that "big pharma" and/or "the government" are involved
in all sorts of devious behaviour?

Why not simply go about their own ways without having to denigrate
and disparage those of us undertaking COVID vaccination?  Why are
they so desperate to "prove" their anti-vaccination stance?

Currently (1 Feb) 97.5% of the eligible Australian population has
completed or is undertaking COVID vaccination, so the anti-vaxxers,
at a mere 2.5% of the population, are definitely on the outer.

And after more than 3 years of viral circulation, and more than a
year of vaccines with boosters, we now have a high degree of
background population immunity to COVID—but with no thanks to
the determined anti-vaxxers who are now living more safely, and
resistant to contracting COVID thanks to the major, rational part of
the population who are vaccinated.

Put simply then, the anti-vaxxers should be thanking the vaccinated
for creating our pseudo-herd immunity, rather than bad mouthing them.




"COVID-deniers".
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin




On Twitter and elsewhere it is not uncommon for people to talk about “the covid hoax.”

You should get out more, Sore End.

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Look, myopic Juvenile Wank, the first part of the first sentence:

"I have to ask why it is that the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers on this forum ..."

On this forum. Unfortunately for you, it wasn't  highleghted and in red capitals so could see it.

Fap on, JW.



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Reply #456 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:01pm
 
Carl D wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 10:46am:
Smiley


All that shows is how deranged the pro mask Karens like you are.

Fact Check
There is no evidence masks work.

There was no evidence they worked before covid and this reports shows the science hasn't changed.

Mask mandates were imposed on us from bullshit.

As a Libertarian i don't have a problem with you choosing to wear one. Don't try to impose your bullshit that doesn't work on me.


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Reply #457 - Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:39pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:26am:
I have to ask why it is that the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers on
this forum are so determined—almost psychotically—to push their
points of view that the virus doesn't kill people, or that vaccines are
bogus, or that "big pharma" and/or "the government" are involved
in all sorts of devious behaviour?


I seriously doubt that anyone here is denying the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Or, is claiming that the Covid-19 disease does NOT exist. I also think that the anti-vaxxers you keep labeling, are just anti-Covid-19-vaxxers. And, NOT ANTI-ALL-VACCINES. 

It would be an evolutionary disadvantage for any virus to kill its host. If it did, it would NOT be able to spread itself to other hosts. In fact, it is our own immune response that can kill us(cytokine storm, autoimmune diseases, COPD, septicemia, etc.). NOT the virus! Since over 99% of those infected do recover, there must be other serious health issues/factors involved with the other 1%(chronic illnesses, multiple comorbidities, immuno-compromised, age, etc.). Right?

Regarding the motives of Big Pharma and the government, I think that PROFIT is the only underlying correlation shared by both. What other industry has a sweetheart deal with the government, that makes the government the liable defendant? And, insolates Big Pharma from all/any legal liabilities resulting from their actions(indemnity)??

Had the government only provided the public with information about this virus, and let the public make their own medical choices, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the government chose to  take a more intrusive/active policy-making role. By mandating that the public and non-essential businesses, become compliant to their medical protocols and restrictions. And, people who do not comply with these protocols, could have their businesses closed down, arrested and fined, or treated as a pariah in their own country. These independent thinkers, were the ones being denigrated, ostracized, or forced to decide between keeping their jobs, or being injected with a class IV poison.

People were being forced to wear useless masks(eating and drinking), to isolate themselves, to always keep 2 meters apart, to obtain vaccine passports to enter certain businesses, and to not congregate in large groups for any reason. This is NOT how a civilize and rational society responds to a disease no more lethal than the Measles! 

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:26am:
Why not simply go about their own ways without having to denigrate
and disparage those of us undertaking COVID vaccination?  Why are
they so desperate to "prove" their anti-vaccination stance?


I'm not sure if it's hubris or arrogance, to hear vaxxers claiming the victim's card. It has always been the anti-Covid-vaxxers who were the victims of government shaming, coercion, ridicule, oppression, and other abuses. I guess anti-covid-vaxxers could just see past all the fear-mongering, cherry-picked stats, omissions, and the nonsense kumbaya platitudes. All being spewed-out by the media, as well-packaged and well-polished trite dumbshows and noise. Just to bedazzle its true groundlings.

Our argument has always been simple. This is a flu-like virus. This is NOT a hyped-up apocalyptic global killer virus on steroids! There is no excuse for almost destroying the Australia economy. It has always been shear hubris, for man to think that he could physically prevent a virus from infecting anyone. No matter how much he may want to believe that he can.

We are also amazed, that no matter how many red flags, lies, or broken promises made by the government, just how quickly most were ignored or dismissed by these so-called rational people. The government just kept changing the goal posts to avoid the skeptics, and to appease its sheeples.

How could anyone expect 26M people to keep 2 meters apart indefinitely?
Who would believe that hospitals would be unable to cope with this virus? Ignoring the biggest burdens on the healthcare system(obesity, diabetes, tobacco and alcohol abuse). All, easily avoidable illnesses.
Who would take a vaccine that would genetically force muscle cells to start making viral pathogens/antigens?
Who could ignore the fact, that this vaccine does NOT protect anyone from becoming infected, spreading, or even dying from this virus?
Who would continue to take any vaccine, INDEFINITELY(every 4-6 months)?

There is only 1 question that a rational-thinking person should ask himself about this virus. If I am infected, what are my chances of survival? And, with a 99% survival rate(over 3 years), I can trust my immune system to fight this virus. And, with over 80% of those infected reporting mild to no symptoms at all, why would I be afraid of contracting this type of flu? 

There will always be people who are genetically predisposed to doing whatever they are told to do by any authority. And, they will keep justifying their blind servitude/obedience, by parroting the government's half-truths, unwarranted assumptions, cherry-picked stats, and fallacious logic(i.e., begging the question).

Anyway, I'm so glad that saner, and more responsible heads have prevailed. That saving the public from this killer virus, does NOT come at ANY costs! When it comes to my health, I want to be in total control. 
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Reply #458 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:04am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:39pm:
This is a flu-like virus. This is NOT a hyped-up apocalyptic global killer virus on steroids!

Yes it is.  To claim that the virulence/mortality rate of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is similar to the
influenza virus is absurd.

In total, since the pandemic started (2020) there have been 16,914 COVID deaths in Australia. 
In the same period (2020, 2021, 2022) there were 344 deaths in Australia due to influenza.

ShellShilo wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:39pm:
Ignoring the biggest burdens on the healthcare system(obesity, diabetes, tobacco and alcohol abuse). All, easily avoidable illnesses.

Straw man.   

ShellShilo wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:39pm:
Who could ignore the fact, that this vaccine does NOT protect anyone from becoming infected, spreading, or even dying from this virus?

Pure bullshit.

ShellShilo wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:39pm:
And, with a 99% survival rate(over 3 years), I can trust my immune system to fight this virus.

Big deal!  Tell that to the seventeen thousand Aussies who've died from COVID.
Nobody can "trust" their immune system to successfully ward of COVID.  It may
or it may not.  I wasn't prepared to take that very real risk—as most of the dead
people did.

ShellShilo wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:39pm:
There will always be people who are genetically predisposed to doing whatever they are told to do by any authority. And, they will keep justifying their blind servitude/obedience, by parroting the government's half-truths, unwarranted assumptions, cherry-picked stats, and fallacious logic(i.e., begging the question).

More bullshit.

I'd suggest you just go away, and preach your nonsensical claims to your
anti-vaxxer peers.    They'll suck it up and love you for it LOL.

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Reply #459 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:24am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:01pm:
Fact Check   There is no evidence masks work.

Of course there is.  Why is it that you repeatedly get so hot and bothered
by stuff like this?  What's it got to do with you whether or not other people
choose to wear a mask anyway?  Nobody's forcing you to wear a mask, so
what's your problem exactly?

...


Effectiveness of Face Mask or Respirator Use.

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Consistent use of a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was
associated with lower odds of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result (adjusted
odds ratio = 0.44). Use of respirators with higher filtration capacity was
associated with the most protection, compared with no mask use.



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Reply #460 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 4:20am
 
As a "genuine" baby boomer (born in 1946) I don't accept the
alleged age range to be defined as it usually is, that is 1946-1964.

It was until relatively recently that the range was 1946-1949.

The first recorded use of "baby boomer" was in January 1963
in a newspaper article by Leslie J. Nason, professor of education
at the University of Southern California.

To suppose that the birth of babies born in 1964 was as a result of
post-WW2 sexual shenanigans is nonsense.  My brother was born
in 1954, and there's no way he's ever been described as a baby
boomer, nor has he ever self-defined as such.

United States birth rate (births per 1,000 population per year): The segment for
the years 1946 to 1964 is highlighted in red, with birth rates peaking in 1949.

...
I also disagree with the red trace on this birth rate graph. It's obvious that
babies born in 1964 were NOT part of the baby boom, as their numbers were
less than for the years 1940 to 1946.


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Reply #461 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 6:25am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 4:20am:
As a "genuine" baby boomer (born in 1946) I don't accept the
alleged age range to be defined as it usually is, that is 1946-1964.

It was until relatively recently that the range was 1946-1949.

The first recorded use of "baby boomer" was in January 1963
in a newspaper article by Leslie J. Nason, professor of education
at the University of Southern California.

To suppose that the birth of babies born in 1964 was as a result of
post-WW2 sexual shenanigans is nonsense.  My brother was born
in 1954, and there's no way he's ever been described as a baby
boomer, nor has he ever self-defined as such.

United States birth rate (births per 1,000 population per year): The segment for
the years 1946 to 1964 is highlighted in red, with birth rates peaking in 1949.

https://i.postimg.cc/26dzDNjJ/1024px-US-Birth-Rates-svg-1-1.png
I also disagree with the red trace on this birth rate graph. It's obvious that
babies born in 1964 were NOT part of the baby boom, as their numbers were
less than for the years 1940 to 1946.



Generational categories are rough estimates based on sociocultural zeitgeists.

There is nothing scientific about them, and are reliant on a general consensus of the sociocultural mood of the (collectively anglospheric) society to which they're applied, for their definition and significance.

The ones we use (from boomers on) are predicated on anglospheric culture (driven by American culture) pivoting on WW2, then postwar recovery, the cold war, the youth culture of the 60s and 70s, the Regan years, the defining of Generation X by Douglas Coupland, the dot-com bubble, the dot-com bust, the turn of the millennium, the GFC, the Great Recession, the Obama years, the i-U-name-it, Trumpism and now the Pandemic Years.

None, to few, of the above zeitgeists and events would apply in China, India, the Soviet Union/Russia, eastern Europe, most of Southeast Asia, South America, Africa, the middle east and (to a significant degree), western Europe.
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Reply #462 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:14pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:04am:
Yes it is.  To claim that the virulence/mortality rate of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is similar to the
influenza virus is absurd.

In total, since the pandemic started (2020) there have been 16,914 COVID deaths in Australia. 
In the same period (2020, 2021, 2022) there were 344 deaths in Australia due to influenza.


You've completely misrepresented my comments. I never said that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was similar in its virulency and mortality rate, to the Influenza A or B viruses. I specifically said,

"This is a flu-like virus. This is NOT a hyped-up apocalyptic global killer virus on steroids!".

Are my comments true or false? Is the SARS-CoV-2 virus NOT a flu-like virus? Is the SARS-CoV-2 virus a hyped-up apocalyptic global killer virus on steroids? You can't simply respond to comments that were never made or implied.

Now lets add some context to your comments. There have been a total of 18,828 Australians who have died WITH this virus, or FROM this virus. The overwhelming majority of these victims were over 85yo, had at least 3 chronic comorbidities, were immunocompromised/suppressed, or had an over/under active immune system.

There are many differences and similarities between the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and the Influenza viruses(proof-reading mechanism, RNA genome, HA and NA targeted viral proteins, corona surface proteins, both targets the respiratory track, both produce similar symptoms, etc.).

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2022.908525/full
https://www.who.int/news/item/13-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year

The Influenza virus(IVA, IVB, IVC) may be responsible for around 500K yearly deaths worldwide. And, may have infected around a quarter of the world's population each year. Both viruses attack the upper and lower respiratory track. Both viruses produce similar symptoms. But the SARS-CoV-2 virus can withstand the body's core temperature longer than the Influenza viruses. Thus is more virulent than the Influenza viruses.

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:04am:
Straw man.


How?? There are many times more deaths from these completely avoidable diseases, than from a flu-like virus with a 99% survival rate. We are in the 1114th day of this pandemic. That is roughly an average of 17 daily deaths related to Covid-19. Between this same period there was a total of 457,235 deaths in Australia. This represents an average of 410 deaths per day. This means, that only 4% of the total deaths was Covid-19 related. And, 96% of the deaths were related to the other mentioned PREVENTABLE diseases. Strawman? I think my comments were VERY relevant and germane. Especially, if you are a lateral thinker. 

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:04am:
Pure bullshit.


Again HOW? Do vaccines protect/prevent ANYONE from becoming infected, spreading, of dying from this virus? No matter how tortuous and convoluted your logic may be, the answer to this question will always be the uncomfortable truth.

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:04am:
Big deal!  Tell that to the seventeen thousand Aussies who've died from COVID.
Nobody can "trust" their immune system to successfully ward of COVID.  It may
or it may not.  I wasn't prepared to take that very real risk—as most of the dead
people did.


Whether you trust your immune system or not is irrelevant. It is still behind the scenes doing its job. My heart goes out to the families of the victims of this virus. But as we age, our immune system becomes less effective. And, with all due respect, I believe that most of the loved ones either expected the end, or were relieved when the end did come for their loved ones. So, an appeal to pathos is NOT really relevant here.

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:04am:
More bullshit.

I'd suggest you just go away, and preach your nonsensical claims to your
anti-vaxxer peers.    They'll suck it up and love you for it LOL.


I never preach to the choir! And, my claims are based on how our genes are expressed. How our genes express themself is a scientific/biological fact. When I respond to your comments, I try to address your concerns. I also try to back up my claims with verifiable facts and some basic logic. I don't simply make flippant remarks like "bullshit", or "more bullshit", without providing an explanation why! And, I certainly don't make nonsensical remarks, to imply that people who don't wear masks are sociopaths.

I'm certainly not here to convince you that I am right. Or, that you are wrong. At your age, I think yours is truly a cautionary tale indeed. It is your life and your choice. I personally don't want to put any unnecessary strain on my already aging immune system. Especially, if I have to continue provoking an immune response, indefinitely! Trying to mimic a disease that I don't have. If other chronic comorbidities are involved, this can easily lead to a metabolic imbalance. Remember, over 85% of people in their 70's, will also recover from this virus. 

If people want to put holes or ink in their body's, this has nothing to do with me. If people want to surgically change any part of their body, it's still none of my business. But I draw the line when THEIR choices take away MY choices. 

Just my two cents!  Smiley



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Reply #463 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 10:03pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:24am:
  What's it got to do with you whether or not other people
choose to wear a mask anyway?  Nobody's forcing you to wear a mask, so
what's your problem exactly?



Stop telling lies.

We were forced to wear masks outside in NSW it was a $500 fine if caught. Former PM Tony Abbott was fined.

In Qld people had to wear masks while alone in their cars how stupid was that? Modern cars have a Pollen filter that is far more effective than masks.

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Do i need to wear a mask in my vehicle?

We've been getting this question a lot 🚗

The answer is yes ✅


https://www.facebook.com/QLDHealth/photos/3665184033589652/?paipv=0&eav=Afauk-e8...



The pic on Qld health facebook page has one person in a car yet they still have to wear a mask.

There was zero zip zilch evidence to support this idiocy.




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Reply #464 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 10:24pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:24am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:01pm:
Fact Check   There is no evidence masks work.

Of course there is.  Why is it that you repeatedly get so hot and bothered
by stuff like this? 

Effectiveness of Face Mask or Respirator Use.



There is no evidence masks work with respiratory virus.

Do you read the links you post?

From your link
Quote:
Well-fitting face masks and respirators effectively filter virus-sized particles in laboratory conditions though few studies have assessed their real-world effectiveness in preventing acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection (4).



When we click on (4) in references we get this

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Cochrane (7) and the World Health Organization (8) both point out that, for population health measures, we should not generally expect to be able to find controlled trials, due to logistical and ethical reasons, and should therefore instead seek a wider evidence base. This issue has been identified for studying community use of masks for COVID-19 in particular (9). Therefore, we should not be surprised to find that there is no RCT for the impact of masks on community transmission of any respiratory infection in a pandemic.



There was no Random Controlled Trial data to support their assumption masks work.

The CDC got many things wrong with covid unfortunately for us we followed the flawed CDC and FDA with Covid policy.

Nice exchange between Harvard Epidemiologist and White House Covid response cordinator, Did he mean 2 weeks to flatten the curve or 2 weeks to fatten your curves?  Roll Eyes

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"Just two weeks to ..."

CDC scientists had two+ years to study masks, unable to provide scientific evidence they work.
https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1516750527287087110?cxt=HHwWjMCq_bCky...

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Apr 20, 2022

24 hours ago, a federal judge vacated @CDCgov mask mandate on airplanes

This was deeply disappointing

CDC scientists had asked for 15 days to make a more data-driven durable decision

We should have given it to them

But I'll continue to follow CDC guidance & mask up on planes





As we see the CDC had no credible data they could provide in court that masks worked to justify their mask mandates. The CDC didn't want to bullshit while under oath yet they're happy to bullshit to the gullible when they aren't being held to account.

We have RCT data which is the highest standard showing masks don't work, Anyone who claims masks work with covid is a science denier who ignores real evidence and a idiot.


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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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