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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #465 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm
 
Incorrect.

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Conclusion
Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.


https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118

There is overwhealming evidence that masks stopped covid infection in the early phases of covid, Baron.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #466 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 10:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm:
Incorrect.

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Conclusion
Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.


https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118

There is overwhealming evidence that masks stopped covid infection in the early phases of covid, Baron.

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Another Pbuggering idiot who doesn't read their links

From your link
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Direct Evidence of the Efficacy of Public Mask Wearing


If there is strong direct evidence, either a suitably powered randomized controlled trial (RCT),
or a suitably powered metaanalysis of RCTs, or a systematic review of unbiased observational studies
that finds compelling evidence, then that would be sufficient for evaluating the efficacy of public mask wearing,
at least in the contexts studied.





Your link mentions RCT which didn't exist for covid when your link was published.

We have RCT data that says Masks don't work with covid your link says this compelling evidence is sufficient.

Those who understand science go yep masks don't work when looking at RCT data.




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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #467 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:03pm
 
I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #468 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:05pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:24am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:01pm:
Fact Check   There is no evidence masks work.

Of course there is.  Why is it that you repeatedly get so hot and bothered
by stuff like this?  What's it got to do with you whether or not other people
choose to wear a mask anyway?  Nobody's forcing you to wear a mask, so
what's your problem exactly?

https://i.postimg.cc/8cYVWCj3/mm7106e1-Masking-Effectiveness-IMAGE-04-Feb22-1200...


Effectiveness of Face Mask or Respirator Use.

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Consistent use of a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings was
associated with lower odds of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result (adjusted
odds ratio = 0.44). Use of respirators with higher filtration capacity was
associated with the most protection, compared with no mask use.



Lets just use our common sense here. The claim being made here, is that people who wear masks in public indoor settings are LESS LIKELY, or the ODDS ARE LOWER, for them to test positive for Covid-19. Could any claim be any more vague, ambiguous, or obscure as this??

Does this mean that people wearing masks NOT in public indoor settings, ARE more likely to test positive for Covid-19? Also, since over 95% of the Australians population continue to test negative for Covid-19 anyway, I'd love to see just how this study was conducted.

There is absolutely no causal relationship between the two events. I could just as easily say that people with no facial hair are less likely to test positive to Covid-19. And, I would be right. But again, I can't explain any direct causal relationship between wearing masks, and the settings where the masks are worn. Or, not worn. I have nothing to support this unwarranted assumption!

But lets look at the scientific facts regarding the efficacy and protection claims being made by mask manufacturers. 

Firstly, the smallest SARS-CoV-2 virus is around 0.05 microns. The smallest pore size on any filtration masks is between 0.1 and 0.3 microns(2 to 5 times larger). So, you do the math!

Secondly, even the P2/N95 masks are useless if they are not worn correctly. And, no mask will ever fit perfectly on any face, all the time. Also, lets not forget that the SARS-CoV-2 virus can enter the body through the eyes(ocular mucosa).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7882915/

Finally, The droplets from a sneeze or cough, can contain as many as 200M viral particles. Even if we assume that the N95 mask will provide 95% protection from airborne viruses(which it doesn't), that would still allow around 10M viruses to pass through. It only takes a few hundred, to a thousand viruses to infect you. So, if you can find a mask with a protection level of 99.999999%(200 viruses pass through), then get it. Also, you might want to wear eye shields($195.40AUD) just to be sure.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsplastics.com.au%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F03%2FGX3-left-head-1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsplastics.com.au%2Fshop%2Fgx3-eye-protective-face-shield-50pcs%2F&tbnid=DO0TWIQXIpK4MM&vet=10CAIQxiAoAGoXChMI-N7OgLWD_QIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAc..i&docid=veSNyeW8GXXN5M&w=804&h=894&itg=1&q=eye%20shield&ved=0CAIQxiAoAGoXChMI-N7OgLWD_QIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAc

https://www.clinlabnavigator.com/sars-cov-2-infectious-dose.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16490606/

I'm afraid this is NOT how I plan on living the rest of my life.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #469 - Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:46pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:03pm:
I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.


Not to mention the biggest global death toll since WWII.

I'd say there were more lockdowns, involuntary measures, trade barriers and government regulations in that six years than covid.

You?
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #470 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:04am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:05pm:
Lets just use our common sense here.

LOL... there's no such thing as "common sense" where medical procedures
are concerned.  We need replicable data from accredited research.  Which
we already have re mask wearing.  Common sense is used by the uneducated
masses in place of expertise.

ShellShilo wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:05pm:
Firstly, the smallest SARS-CoV-2 virus is around 0.05 microns. The smallest pore size on any filtration masks is between 0.1 and 0.3 microns(2 to 5 times larger). So, you do the math!

This tells me that you're unfamiliar with how the SARS-CoV-2 virus can be/is transmitted
through the air from one person to another.

The N95 mask doesn't need to have a pore size of 0.05 microns in order to
protect the wearer from the viral particles.  (The '95' means 95% filtration)

"There is never a naked virus floating in the air or released by people",
said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech
who specializes in airborne transmission of viruses.  The virus attaches to water
droplets or aerosols (really small droplets) that are generated by breathing,
talking, coughing, etc. These consist of water, mucus protein and other biological
material and are all larger than 1 micron.

So... these particles around 1 micron in size, will be collected by N95 respirator
filters with very high efficiency.    (The '95' means 95% filtration.)



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Reply #471 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:11am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:46pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:03pm:
I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.


Not to mention the biggest global death toll since WWII.

I'd say there were more lockdowns, involuntary measures, trade barriers and government regulations in that six years than covid.

You?


and yet the media and the politicians have gone radio silent on it.

as basil fawlty would say

"please dont mention the war"
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #472 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:16am
 
what is our most important role as adults?
to raise the next generation.

How do children learn?
by studying facial expression.

what do masks do?
prevent that.

what sort of weak sauce, poopy pants adults abrigate their responsibility so they can be a bit "safer"
disgraceful selfish stuff.

sperms counts have halved this century.
mother nature doesnt want such creatures reproducing

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #473 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:33am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:03pm:
I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats.  All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic
.  They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

           Cheesy


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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #474 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 7:19am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:33am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:03pm:
I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats.  All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic
.  They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

Another long-retired codger dreaming he’s driving a tank through Berlin as he rides his motorised cart through pedestrians.

During 2020 and 2021 all directors-general of government departments, and their executives, were called to meet daily with the government's emergency response committee, some every 4 hours.

Heads of government and chief medical officers were, almost hand-in-hand, giving nightly updates, via all media available, on the state of the pandemic.

People were warned against laughing, singing or talking fast in elevators and other confined spaces to ‘reduce the spread of the virus’.

One case of the disease in a department saw an entire floor evacuated, if not the entire department, and commercial cleaners employed to disinfect the area. Employees were sent on paid leave until the ‘infected’ department was deemed ‘safe’.

Handwash was distributed so widely, and its use encouraged so much, it would have embarrassed an OCD sufferer; when whole countries ran out of the ingredients they resorted to using so much ethanol, it’s a wonder people weren’t all pissed by osmosis.

The hysteria about mask-wearing was insane. It couldn’t have been worse if those OCD sufferers had taken over the country. It didn’t even matter if it wasn’t an effective mask (e.g. a KN95), you could have wrapped a scarf around your mouth like a cowboy from a western, so long as it looked like a mask, then good enough.

Lockdowns were enforced as if nuclear radiation was present in the atmosphere.

Vaccines, tested less than medication would be for animals, were mandated under the threat of legal action and/or job loss for non-compliance.

And that’s just chapter one.

Panic, much?
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #475 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 7:47am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 7:19am:
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:33am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:03pm:
I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats.  All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic
.  They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

Another long-retired codger dreaming he’s driving a tank through Berlin as he rides his motorised cart through pedestrians.

During 2020 and 2021 all directors-general of government departments, and their executives, were called to meet daily with the government's emergency response committee, some every 4 hours.

Heads of government and chief medical officers were, almost hand-in-hand, giving nightly updates, via all media available, on the state of the pandemic.

People were warned against laughing, singing or talking fast in elevators and other confined spaces to ‘reduce the spread of the virus’.

One case of the disease in a department saw an entire floor evacuated, if not the entire department, and commercial cleaners employed to disinfect the area. Employees were sent on paid leave until the ‘infected’ department was deemed ‘safe’.

Handwash was distributed so widely, and its use encouraged so much, it would have embarrassed an OCD sufferer; when whole countries ran out of the ingredients they resorted to using so much ethanol, it’s a wonder people weren’t all pissed by osmosis.

The hysteria about mask-wearing was insane. It couldn’t have been worse if those OCD sufferers had taken over the country. It didn’t even matter if it wasn’t an effective mask (e.g. a KN95), you could have wrapped a scarf around your mouth like a cowboy from a western, so long as it looked like a mask, then good enough.

Lockdowns were enforced as if nuclear radiation was present in the atmosphere.

Vaccines, tested less than medication would be for animals, were mandated under the threat of legal action and/or job loss for non-compliance.

And that’s just chapter one.

Panic, much?




I find it hilarious when junkies call me fraidy cat.
Like I'm the one that ran to the clinic to get injected because bill gates told me to.
I never changed, but they certainly did.
That's what happens when you have the shyte scared out of you.
They fell for it hook, line and sinker.
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Reply #476 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am
 
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.
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Reply #477 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:12am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.



Correlation not causation
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Reply #478 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:15am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.

So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible than all the previous strains combined?

Covid deaths, eh! There are currently studies being initiated to determine whether the mRNA spike proteins are contributing to excess deaths.
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Reply #479 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:45am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:15am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.

So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible than all the previous strains combined?

Covid deaths, eh! There are currently studies being initiated to determine whether the mRNA spike proteins are contributing to excess deaths.


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So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible


omicron bridged the period when masks were removed (it was before and after). It is part of the stats showing a 400% increase.

You collect the data look for correlation and then find the change or changes to the situation causing the anomaly.

In this case remove distancing lockdowns and masks triggered a dramatic increase in the outcome being death.
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