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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #480 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:59am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:04am:

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Mask mandates didn't do anything

Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.

So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible than all the previous strains combined?

Covid deaths, eh! There are currently studies being initiated to determine whether the mRNA spike proteins are contributing to excess deaths.

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So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible

omicron bridged the period when masks were removed (it was before and after). It is part of the stats showing a 400% increase.

You collect the data look for correlation and then find the change or changes to the situation causing the anomaly.

In this case remove distancing lockdowns and masks triggered a dramatic increase in the outcome being death.

Show the data where removing of a scarf or cheap mask resulted in a 400% increase in mortality.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95649 Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #481 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 10:34am aquascoot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:12am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:04am: Quote: Mask mandates didn't do anything Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths. Correlation not causation Ah.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #482 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:19am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 11:03pm:

I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats. All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic. They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

Another long-retired codger dreaming he’s driving a tank through Berlin as he rides his motorised cart through pedestrians.

During 2020 and 2021 all directors-general of government departments, and their executives, were called to meet daily with the government's emergency response committee, some every 4 hours.

Heads of government and chief medical officers were, almost hand-in-hand, giving nightly updates, via all media available, on the state of the pandemic.

People were warned against laughing, singing or talking fast in elevators and other confined spaces to ‘reduce the spread of the virus’.

One case of the disease in a department saw an entire floor evacuated, if not the entire department, and commercial cleaners employed to disinfect the area. Employees were sent on paid leave until the ‘infected’ department was deemed ‘safe’.

Handwash was distributed so widely, and its use encouraged so much, it would have embarrassed an OCD sufferer; when whole countries ran out of the ingredients they resorted to using so much ethanol, it’s a wonder people weren’t all pissed by osmosis.

The hysteria about mask-wearing was insane. It couldn’t have been worse if those OCD sufferers had taken over the country. It didn’t even matter if it wasn’t an effective mask (e.g. a KN95), you could have wrapped a scarf around your mouth like a cowboy from a western, so long as it looked like a mask, then good enough.

Lockdowns were enforced as if nuclear radiation was present in the atmosphere.

Vaccines, tested less than medication would be for animals, were mandated under the threat of legal action and/or job loss for non-compliance.

And that’s just chapter one.

Panic, much?

I find it hilarious when junkies call me fraidy cat.
Like I'm the one that ran to the clinic to get injected because bill gates told me to.
I never changed, but they certainly did.
That's what happens when you have the shyte scared out of you.
They fell for it hook, line and sinker.

You don't take orders from Bill Gates, Captain.

To whom do you report?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #483 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 11:15am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:59am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 8:04am:

Quote:

Mask mandates didn't do anything

Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.

So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible than all the previous strains combined?

Covid deaths, eh! There are currently studies being initiated to determine whether the mRNA spike proteins are contributing to excess deaths.

Quote:

So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible

omicron bridged the period when masks were removed (it was before and after). It is part of the stats showing a 400% increase.

You collect the data look for correlation and then find the change or changes to the situation causing the anomaly.

In this case remove distancing lockdowns and masks triggered a dramatic increase in the outcome being death.

Show the data where removing of a scarf or cheap mask resulted in a 400% increase in mortality.

China recently ended the lockdowns but kept the masks in place
Within 10 days they were experiencing 30 million new cases per day
Sort of proves masks are a failure
One could put boosters in the same class

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #484 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 11:20am

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:19am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 11:03pm:

I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats. All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic. They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

Another long-retired codger dreaming he’s driving a tank through Berlin as he rides his motorised cart through pedestrians.

During 2020 and 2021 all directors-general of government departments, and their executives, were called to meet daily with the government's emergency response committee, some every 4 hours.

Heads of government and chief medical officers were, almost hand-in-hand, giving nightly updates, via all media available, on the state of the pandemic.

People were warned against laughing, singing or talking fast in elevators and other confined spaces to ‘reduce the spread of the virus’.

One case of the disease in a department saw an entire floor evacuated, if not the entire department, and commercial cleaners employed to disinfect the area. Employees were sent on paid leave until the ‘infected’ department was deemed ‘safe’.

Handwash was distributed so widely, and its use encouraged so much, it would have embarrassed an OCD sufferer; when whole countries ran out of the ingredients they resorted to using so much ethanol, it’s a wonder people weren’t all pissed by osmosis.

The hysteria about mask-wearing was insane. It couldn’t have been worse if those OCD sufferers had taken over the country. It didn’t even matter if it wasn’t an effective mask (e.g. a KN95), you could have wrapped a scarf around your mouth like a cowboy from a western, so long as it looked like a mask, then good enough.

Lockdowns were enforced as if nuclear radiation was present in the atmosphere.

Vaccines, tested less than medication would be for animals, were mandated under the threat of legal action and/or job loss for non-compliance.

And that’s just chapter one.

Panic, much?

I find it hilarious when junkies call me fraidy cat.
Like I'm the one that ran to the clinic to get injected because bill gates told me to.
I never changed, but they certainly did.
That's what happens when you have the shyte scared out of you.
They fell for it hook, line and sinker.

You don't take orders from Bill Gates, Captain.

To whom do you report?

He reports to his own individual belief system
Based on being a strong confident competent person
Another word for this is personal responsibility

It's hard work
Thinking for yourself Burns resources
Hence why the lazy left never wish to do it and are happy to adopt an ideology

It's why whether we are talking to Maddy Fisk or Gregory or Brian or DNA or smith
Or Carl or mothra it doesn't really matter

We are talking to the same entity

This is untrue of the nobel right

There is quite a field of individual differences between myself and sprint and Gordon and Frank and panther and cavemen

We pride ourselves on our diversity

Isn't it interesting that the left say they support diversity and yet they are all clones Grin

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9455 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #485 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 12:29pm This is probably the point in the thread where I should post links to a number of articles which prove that masks (especially high quality ones) do make a difference with Covid and other viruses but because the 'usual suspects' here will just ignore it then I'm not going to bother anymore.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #486 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 12:38pm

Carl D wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 12:29pm:

This is probably the point in the thread where I should post links to a number of articles which prove that masks (especially high quality ones) do make a difference with Covid and other viruses but because the 'usual suspects' here will just ignore it then I'm not going to bother anymore.

You will find no credible data that proves anything other than high-quality masks (e.g. KN95) make a positive difference.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #487 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 12:53pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:19am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 11:03pm:

I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats. All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic. They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

Another long-retired codger dreaming he’s driving a tank through Berlin as he rides his motorised cart through pedestrians.

During 2020 and 2021 all directors-general of government departments, and their executives, were called to meet daily with the government's emergency response committee, some every 4 hours.

Heads of government and chief medical officers were, almost hand-in-hand, giving nightly updates, via all media available, on the state of the pandemic.

People were warned against laughing, singing or talking fast in elevators and other confined spaces to ‘reduce the spread of the virus’.

One case of the disease in a department saw an entire floor evacuated, if not the entire department, and commercial cleaners employed to disinfect the area. Employees were sent on paid leave until the ‘infected’ department was deemed ‘safe’.

Handwash was distributed so widely, and its use encouraged so much, it would have embarrassed an OCD sufferer; when whole countries ran out of the ingredients they resorted to using so much ethanol, it’s a wonder people weren’t all pissed by osmosis.

The hysteria about mask-wearing was insane. It couldn’t have been worse if those OCD sufferers had taken over the country. It didn’t even matter if it wasn’t an effective mask (e.g. a KN95), you could have wrapped a scarf around your mouth like a cowboy from a western, so long as it looked like a mask, then good enough.

Lockdowns were enforced as if nuclear radiation was present in the atmosphere.

Vaccines, tested less than medication would be for animals, were mandated under the threat of legal action and/or job loss for non-compliance.

And that’s just chapter one.

Panic, much?

I find it hilarious when junkies call me fraidy cat.
Like I'm the one that ran to the clinic to get injected because bill gates told me to.
I never changed, but they certainly did.
That's what happens when you have the shyte scared out of you.
They fell for it hook, line and sinker.

You don't take orders from Bill Gates, Captain.

To whom do you report?

He reports to his own individual belief system
Based on being a strong confident competent person
Another word for this is personal responsibility

It's hard work
Thinking for yourself Burns resources
Hence why the lazy left never wish to do it and are happy to adopt an ideology

It's why whether we are talking to Maddy Fisk or Gregory or Brian or DNA or smith
Or Carl or mothra it doesn't really matter

We are talking to the same entity

This is untrue of the nobel right

There is quite a field of individual differences between myself and sprint and Gordon and Frank and panther and cavemen

We pride ourselves on our diversity

Isn't it interesting that the left say they support diversity and yet they are all clones Grin

Good point, Aquascoot, but from whom do you take your orders?

Let's do this as a multiple choice. Is it:

a) Paretto
b) Piaget
c) Westinghouse
d) The "nobel Donnie"
e) Hulk Hogan
f) Joe Rogan

Please circle the correct answer.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #488 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 1:50pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:19am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 11:03pm:

I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats. All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic. They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

Another long-retired codger dreaming he’s driving a tank through Berlin as he rides his motorised cart through pedestrians.

During 2020 and 2021 all directors-general of government departments, and their executives, were called to meet daily with the government's emergency response committee, some every 4 hours.

Heads of government and chief medical officers were, almost hand-in-hand, giving nightly updates, via all media available, on the state of the pandemic.

People were warned against laughing, singing or talking fast in elevators and other confined spaces to ‘reduce the spread of the virus’.

One case of the disease in a department saw an entire floor evacuated, if not the entire department, and commercial cleaners employed to disinfect the area. Employees were sent on paid leave until the ‘infected’ department was deemed ‘safe’.

Handwash was distributed so widely, and its use encouraged so much, it would have embarrassed an OCD sufferer; when whole countries ran out of the ingredients they resorted to using so much ethanol, it’s a wonder people weren’t all pissed by osmosis.

The hysteria about mask-wearing was insane. It couldn’t have been worse if those OCD sufferers had taken over the country. It didn’t even matter if it wasn’t an effective mask (e.g. a KN95), you could have wrapped a scarf around your mouth like a cowboy from a western, so long as it looked like a mask, then good enough.

Lockdowns were enforced as if nuclear radiation was present in the atmosphere.

Vaccines, tested less than medication would be for animals, were mandated under the threat of legal action and/or job loss for non-compliance.

And that’s just chapter one.

Panic, much?

I find it hilarious when junkies call me fraidy cat.
Like I'm the one that ran to the clinic to get injected because bill gates told me to.
I never changed, but they certainly did.
That's what happens when you have the shyte scared out of you.
They fell for it hook, line and sinker.

You don't take orders from Bill Gates, Captain.

To whom do you report?

He reports to his own individual belief system
Based on being a strong confident competent person
Another word for this is personal responsibility

It's hard work
Thinking for yourself Burns resources
Hence why the lazy left never wish to do it and are happy to adopt an ideology

It's why whether we are talking to Maddy Fisk or Gregory or Brian or DNA or smith
Or Carl or mothra it doesn't really matter

We are talking to the same entity

This is untrue of the nobel right

There is quite a field of individual differences between myself and sprint and Gordon and Frank and panther and cavemen

We pride ourselves on our diversity

Isn't it interesting that the left say they support diversity and yet they are all clones Grin

Spot on brother.
Most lefties are weakened individuals.
They can't even post honest opinions on topics.
Honesty is definitely not their policy.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #489 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 1:51pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 12:53pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:19am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 11:03pm:

I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats. All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic. They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

Another long-retired codger dreaming he’s driving a tank through Berlin as he rides his motorised cart through pedestrians.

During 2020 and 2021 all directors-general of government departments, and their executives, were called to meet daily with the government's emergency response committee, some every 4 hours.

Heads of government and chief medical officers were, almost hand-in-hand, giving nightly updates, via all media available, on the state of the pandemic.

People were warned against laughing, singing or talking fast in elevators and other confined spaces to ‘reduce the spread of the virus’.

One case of the disease in a department saw an entire floor evacuated, if not the entire department, and commercial cleaners employed to disinfect the area. Employees were sent on paid leave until the ‘infected’ department was deemed ‘safe’.

Handwash was distributed so widely, and its use encouraged so much, it would have embarrassed an OCD sufferer; when whole countries ran out of the ingredients they resorted to using so much ethanol, it’s a wonder people weren’t all pissed by osmosis.

The hysteria about mask-wearing was insane. It couldn’t have been worse if those OCD sufferers had taken over the country. It didn’t even matter if it wasn’t an effective mask (e.g. a KN95), you could have wrapped a scarf around your mouth like a cowboy from a western, so long as it looked like a mask, then good enough.

Lockdowns were enforced as if nuclear radiation was present in the atmosphere.

Vaccines, tested less than medication would be for animals, were mandated under the threat of legal action and/or job loss for non-compliance.

And that’s just chapter one.

Panic, much?

I find it hilarious when junkies call me fraidy cat.
Like I'm the one that ran to the clinic to get injected because bill gates told me to.
I never changed, but they certainly did.
That's what happens when you have the shyte scared out of you.
They fell for it hook, line and sinker.

You don't take orders from Bill Gates, Captain.

To whom do you report?

He reports to his own individual belief system
Based on being a strong confident competent person
Another word for this is personal responsibility

It's hard work
Thinking for yourself Burns resources
Hence why the lazy left never wish to do it and are happy to adopt an ideology

It's why whether we are talking to Maddy Fisk or Gregory or Brian or DNA or smith
Or Carl or mothra it doesn't really matter

We are talking to the same entity

This is untrue of the nobel right

There is quite a field of individual differences between myself and sprint and Gordon and Frank and panther and cavemen

We pride ourselves on our diversity

Isn't it interesting that the left say they support diversity and yet they are all clones Grin

Good point, Aquascoot, but from whom do you take your orders?

Let's do this as a multiple choice. Is it:

a) Paretto
b) Piaget
c) Westinghouse
d) The "nobel Donnie"
e) Hulk Hogan
f) Joe Rogan

Please circle the correct answer.

I do the right thing, cause it's the right thing to do. Wink

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #490 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 2:10pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 12:53pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 7:19am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7^th, 2023 at 11:03pm:

I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats. All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic. They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

Another long-retired codger dreaming he’s driving a tank through Berlin as he rides his motorised cart through pedestrians.

During 2020 and 2021 all directors-general of government departments, and their executives, were called to meet daily with the government's emergency response committee, some every 4 hours.

Heads of government and chief medical officers were, almost hand-in-hand, giving nightly updates, via all media available, on the state of the pandemic.

People were warned against laughing, singing or talking fast in elevators and other confined spaces to ‘reduce the spread of the virus’.

One case of the disease in a department saw an entire floor evacuated, if not the entire department, and commercial cleaners employed to disinfect the area. Employees were sent on paid leave until the ‘infected’ department was deemed ‘safe’.

Handwash was distributed so widely, and its use encouraged so much, it would have embarrassed an OCD sufferer; when whole countries ran out of the ingredients they resorted to using so much ethanol, it’s a wonder people weren’t all pissed by osmosis.

The hysteria about mask-wearing was insane. It couldn’t have been worse if those OCD sufferers had taken over the country. It didn’t even matter if it wasn’t an effective mask (e.g. a KN95), you could have wrapped a scarf around your mouth like a cowboy from a western, so long as it looked like a mask, then good enough.

Lockdowns were enforced as if nuclear radiation was present in the atmosphere.

Vaccines, tested less than medication would be for animals, were mandated under the threat of legal action and/or job loss for non-compliance.

And that’s just chapter one.

Panic, much?

I find it hilarious when junkies call me fraidy cat.
Like I'm the one that ran to the clinic to get injected because bill gates told me to.
I never changed, but they certainly did.
That's what happens when you have the shyte scared out of you.
They fell for it hook, line and sinker.

You don't take orders from Bill Gates, Captain.

To whom do you report?

He reports to his own individual belief system
Based on being a strong confident competent person
Another word for this is personal responsibility

It's hard work
Thinking for yourself Burns resources
Hence why the lazy left never wish to do it and are happy to adopt an ideology

It's why whether we are talking to Maddy Fisk or Gregory or Brian or DNA or smith
Or Carl or mothra it doesn't really matter

We are talking to the same entity

This is untrue of the nobel right

There is quite a field of individual differences between myself and sprint and Gordon and Frank and panther and cavemen

We pride ourselves on our diversity

Isn't it interesting that the left say they support diversity and yet they are all clones Grin

Good point, Aquascoot, but from whom do you take your orders?

Let's do this as a multiple choice. Is it:

a) Paretto
b) Piaget
c) Westinghouse
d) The "nobel Donnie"
e) Hulk Hogan
f) Joe Rogan

Please circle the correct answer.

i dont take orders from anyone but you can learn from everyone.

there are people who inspire but one can also learn from people who trigger you.

in fact, they are our best teachers.

because if someone triggers you, then you know they have touched a part of your subconscious programing which is holding you back

so you need to look deeply into that, see what its all about and let that go.

thats really the path to emotional mastery which is what most people want.

most people just want to feel good.

now the leftie thinks if he could just get everyone to behave the way he would like them to behave, he will be ok.

but thats exhausting

the more sensible approach is radical acceptance.

things are the way they are, but only always.

thats not to say we dont try to improve them but if you approach circumstances as something you need to resist or worse still, consider yourself a victim of circumstances , you lose, but only always

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #491 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 4:19pm

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:04am:

LOL... there's no such thing as "common sense" where medical procedures
are concerned. We need replicable data from accredited research. Which
we already have re mask wearing. Common sense is used by the uneducated
masses in place of expertise.

LOL! Medical procedure? Wearing a mask is a medical procedure? How many years of study does it take to become a mask expert? Sorry, couldn't help myself!

I'm afraid common sense is an attribute that most higher organisms possess. It is NOT limited in its use to medical procedures and practices. It is used by every human being, most of the time. It is an essential part of our cognitive and learning skills. It also highlights our uniqueness as individuals. Otherwise, we would've evolved into a hive mentality, like the obedient drones in ant and bee colonies. Obviously, this hive trait is still expressed more in some than in others.

Can you think of some examples where the "experts" have gotten it wrong(saturated fats, fresh fruit and veggies vs frozen, fish oil, Ginkgo biloba, Water-breakage during pregnancy, Laetrile, smoking, Thalidomide, Vioxx scandal, eggs and cholesterol levels, organic foods, GMO's, microwave ovens and cancer, and many other BAD advice given by the "experts")?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/19/half-of-dr-ozs-medical-advice-is-baseless-or-wrong-study-says/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/11/fact-check-n-95-filters-not-too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/

I have read your source article. Are you really claiming that "USA Today" is a place of expertise for the educated? Are they the unbiased accredited research source, where the data can easily be replicated? I'm sure their motives are truly altruistic.

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:04am:

This tells me that you're unfamiliar with how the SARS-CoV-2 virus can be/is transmitted
through the air from one person to another.

Please stop misrepresenting my comments! I was talking about the size of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, compared to the smallest pore size of the P2/N95 masks. NOT, how this virus is transmitted through the air to infect people. Even your article agrees that this virus is smaller than the pore-size on N95 masks. Do you need me to quote the articles comments? Or, where the goal-posts are always a-changing?

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:04am:

The N95 mask doesn't need to have a pore size of 0.05 microns in order to
protect the wearer from the viral particles. (The '95' means 95% filtration)

Let's just assume for the sake of argument, that the 95% filtration claim is a fact(it isn't!). That would still allow 5% of all virus-sized particles to pass through the mask unfiltered. That's around 10M viruses passing through(from 200M viruses).

And, simply saying that "Brownian Motion" will trap most of these viruses into the mask's filters is misleading at best. Brownian motion is the random motion of particles in a fluid medium at the molecular level. It is caused by molecules in this medium bumping into these viral particles. Some particles may be trapped, and some may not. And, masks do NOT provide a fluid medium for viruses.

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:04am:

"There is never a naked virus floating in the air or released by people",
said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech
who specializes in airborne transmission of viruses. The virus attaches to water
droplets or aerosols (really small droplets) that are generated by breathing,
talking, coughing, etc. These consist of water, mucus protein and other biological
material and are all larger than 1 micron.

So... these particles around 1 micron in size, will be collected by N95 respirator
filters with very high efficiency. (The '95' means 95% filtration.)

Most of the viruses trapped in droplets will fall to the ground. Or, will land onto other surfaces. So, we're talking about the very small airborne aerosol droplets, striking the mask at over 100 feet per second, right? Remember the part about ill-fitting masks? Where people will breathe in the air from the top, sides, and bottom of the mask? Or, the part about how the eyes(ocular mucosa) can present another avenue of entry for this virus? Even if you duck-taped the mask to your face, you would then be faced with other problems.

https://www.newbeauty.com/face-tape-for-wrinkles/

You have been told by your own sources, that for 5% of all airborne particles, this mask is absolutely useless. Why can't you understand that 5% of hundreds of millions of viruses, IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF VIRUSES?? Especially, when a few hundred to a thousand viruses is enough to infect you! You would need a mask with a 99.99999% filtration rating, to be relatively safe from infection. But, at the molecular level, THERE ARE NO QUARANTEES!

But if wearing masks makes you feel safe and secure, then wear them. But don't shame, criticize, denigrate, alienate, ridicule, or discriminate against me for NOT wearing them.

I remember a time when we looked at the people wearing masks in Japan, as being paranoid germaphobes. I'd never thought Australians would be doing the same thing. Amazing! I'm certainly sure that I'm going to die of something. But I seriously doubt that it will be because of the flu! Sad

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Reply #492 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 4:39pm

Do you know what you are, Aquascoot?

You're a Buddhist. The Superior Man, he on the "narrow road to success" sees all and says ah.

Not for him the silly old culture wars, no. Not for him the lefties versus the righties, oh no.

Sorry, dear, he says, I'd rather have a cup of chamomile tea.

The Superior Man follows the Way. Yes, like the bubbling brook to the river to the sea, he finds his course in his own reflection. What am I? He asks. I am the Way, he answers. Yea, I am the truth and the light. Not so much a God as a man.

Your Inferior Man tries to control all in his path. He charts his course, bouncing out of bed with a plan. This makes him ever so unhappy when things go wrong. He mixes up his charts and gets it the wrong way around, it's all a muddle. Frustrating!

The Superior Man goes with the wind. He tills his field with the season, if he tills at all. Today he might have beans; tomorrow, who knows? He eats what's on the vine, in tune with his keeper, the earth.

And yes, one day, he will join this earth, becoming part of the field himself. All men, be they lefties or righties, will lie in this same ground.

You know this, Aquascoot, and yet, you still stare in awe at the sheer wonder of it all.

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Reply #493 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 5:11pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

Do you know what you are, Aquascoot?

You're a Buddhist. The Superior Man, he on the "narrow road to success" sees all and says ah.

Not for him the silly old culture wars, no. Not for him the lefties versus the righties, oh no.

Sorry, dear, he says, I'd rather have a cup of chamomile tea.

The Superior Man follows the Way. Yes, like the bubbling brook to the river to the sea, he finds his course in his own reflection. What am I? He asks. I am the Way, he answers. Yea, I am the truth and the light. Not so much a God as a man.

Your Inferior Man tries to control all in his path. He charts his course, bouncing out of bed with a plan. This makes him ever so unhappy when things go wrong. He mixes up his charts and gets it the wrong way around, it's all a muddle. Frustrating!

The Superior Man goes with the wind. He tills his field with the season, if he tills at all. Today he might have beans; tomorrow, who knows? He eats what's on the vine, in tune with his keeper, the earth.

And yes, one day, he will join this earth, becoming part of the field himself. All men, be they lefties or righties, will lie in this same ground.

You know this, Aquascoot, and yet, you still stare in awe at the sheer wonder of it all.

no , you have it wrong.

bouncing out of bed with a plan is good.
accepting that what happens , happens, is also good.

you have to have radical acceptance of reality (or else you become a victim of circumstance...a powerless place to be)

BUT

that doesnt mean just resigning yourself to not even trying (the lazy spiritual path).

essentially you have to embrace the path, embrace the process and work on that and dont give much attention to the outcome.

i hope i have cleared that up for you as you are clearly quite confused

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Reply #494 - Feb 8^th, 2023 at 6:31pm

Carl D wrote on Feb 8^th, 2023 at 12:29pm:

This is probably the point in the thread where I should post links to a number of articles which prove that masks (especially high quality ones) do make a difference with Covid and other viruses but because the 'usual suspects' here will just ignore it then I'm not going to bother anymore.

It's the Branch Covidians like you that ignore the evidence.

There was no evidence masks worked before Covid.

Why did the CDC bury this article?

Quote:

Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures

May 2020

Face Masks

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

There is no evidence masks work with Covid.

What happened to follow the science?

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