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Reply #495 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 6:38pm
 
Fauci couldn't cite any studies on masks working in court while under oath.

The CDC link i provided in previous posts say masks don't work.

Judge removed mask mandates because there was no evidence they work.

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Reply #496 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 6:59pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 4:39pm:
Do you know what you are, Aquascoot?

You're a Buddhist. The Superior Man, he on the "narrow road to success" sees all and says ah.

Not for him the silly old culture wars, no. Not for him the lefties versus the righties, oh no.

Sorry, dear, he says, I'd rather have a cup of chamomile tea.

The Superior Man follows the Way. Yes, like the bubbling brook to the river to the sea, he finds his course in his own reflection. What am I? He asks. I am the Way, he answers. Yea, I am the truth and the light. Not so much a God as a man.

Your Inferior Man tries to control all in his path. He charts his course, bouncing out of bed with a plan. This makes him ever so unhappy when things go wrong. He mixes up his charts and gets it the wrong way around, it's all a muddle. Frustrating!

The Superior Man goes with the wind. He tills his field with the season, if he tills at all. Today he might have beans; tomorrow, who knows? He eats what's on the vine, in tune with his keeper, the earth.

And yes, one day, he will join this earth, becoming part of the field himself. All men, be they lefties or righties, will lie in this same ground.

You know this, Aquascoot, and yet, you still stare in awe at the sheer wonder of it all.




no , you have it wrong.

bouncing out of bed with a plan is good.
accepting that what happens , happens, is also good.

you have to have radical acceptance of reality (or else you become a victim of circumstance...a powerless place to be) 

BUT

that doesnt mean just resigning yourself to not even trying (the lazy spiritual path).

essentially you have to embrace the path, embrace the process and work on that and dont give much attention to the outcome.

i hope i have cleared that up for you as you are clearly quite confused


Yes, the "noble warrior" has many barking orders. Kill him! They say. No, kill them!

Our warrior battles on, in his way.

Likewise, the Superior Man, he on the "narrow road to success", has many who tell him where to go. Go there! They say. No, go there!

The Superior Man treads on. It is a lonely road, a road few care to tread.

And yet, he must follow his own path, just as the Warrior must fight his struggles.

Step by step, and blow by blow, each must make his way, his jihad. It is so, is it not?

The Superior Man sees all and says ah.

Allah Uakbar, no?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #497 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 7:02pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 6:59pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 4:39pm:
Do you know what you are, Aquascoot?

You're a Buddhist. The Superior Man, he on the "narrow road to success" sees all and says ah.

Not for him the silly old culture wars, no. Not for him the lefties versus the righties, oh no.

Sorry, dear, he says, I'd rather have a cup of chamomile tea.

The Superior Man follows the Way. Yes, like the bubbling brook to the river to the sea, he finds his course in his own reflection. What am I? He asks. I am the Way, he answers. Yea, I am the truth and the light. Not so much a God as a man.

Your Inferior Man tries to control all in his path. He charts his course, bouncing out of bed with a plan. This makes him ever so unhappy when things go wrong. He mixes up his charts and gets it the wrong way around, it's all a muddle. Frustrating!

The Superior Man goes with the wind. He tills his field with the season, if he tills at all. Today he might have beans; tomorrow, who knows? He eats what's on the vine, in tune with his keeper, the earth.

And yes, one day, he will join this earth, becoming part of the field himself. All men, be they lefties or righties, will lie in this same ground.

You know this, Aquascoot, and yet, you still stare in awe at the sheer wonder of it all.




no , you have it wrong.

bouncing out of bed with a plan is good.
accepting that what happens , happens, is also good.

you have to have radical acceptance of reality (or else you become a victim of circumstance...a powerless place to be) 

BUT

that doesnt mean just resigning yourself to not even trying (the lazy spiritual path).

essentially you have to embrace the path, embrace the process and work on that and dont give much attention to the outcome.

i hope i have cleared that up for you as you are clearly quite confused


Yes, the "noble warrior" has many barking orders. Kill him! They say. No, kill them!

Our warrior battles on, in his way.

Likewise, the Superior Man, he on the "narrow road to success", has many who tell him where to go. Go there! They say. No, go there!

The Superior Man treads on. It is a lonely road, a road few care to tread.

And yet, he must follow his own path, just as the Warrior must fight his struggles.

Step by step, and blow by blow, each must make his way, his jihad.

The Superior Man sees all and says ah.

Allah Uakbar, no?




That's enough birdie num num, paki.
Sit.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #498 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:00pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:59am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:45am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:15am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.

So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible than all the previous strains combined?

Covid deaths, eh! There are currently studies being initiated to determine whether the mRNA spike proteins are contributing to excess deaths.


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So, not that omicron is many times more transmissible


omicron bridged the period when masks were removed (it was before and after). It is part of the stats showing a 400% increase.

You collect the data look for correlation and then find the change or changes to the situation causing the anomaly.

In this case remove distancing lockdowns and masks triggered a dramatic increase in the outcome being death.

Show the data where removing of a scarf or cheap mask resulted in a 400% increase in mortality.


In Australia in the year or so before the restrictions and protection was removed around 2,000 Australians died from covid. In about the same period after restrictions and masks were removed about 14,000 Australians died from covid. Vaccine existed before and after.
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Reply #499 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:04pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.



Correlation not causation


Ah.


Yes apparently it is just a coincidence that when Australians took off their masks that Australians started dying. Just a bit of bad luck really. More likely that it was the new brand of bread they were using for toast I suspect. We should do a study - no?
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Reply #500 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.



Correlation not causation


Ah.


Yes apparently it is just a coincidence that when Australians took off their masks that Australians started dying. Just a bit of bad luck really. More likely that it was the new brand of bread they were using for toast I suspect. We should do a study - no?

When you treat something like a religion, (or you're caught in an ideological contagion), you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient, feels good and confirms your cognitive bias.

The Chinese were all wearing masks after the sudden lifting of zero-covid and began dying by the hundreds of thousands.

Post data that confirms masks, lower in quality than the KN95, were/are effective against covid spread, then discuss.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #501 - Feb 8th, 2023 at 11:16pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
Quote:
Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.



Correlation not causation


Ah.


Yes apparently it is just a coincidence that when Australians took off their masks that Australians started dying. Just a bit of bad luck really. More likely that it was the new brand of bread they were using for toast I suspect. We should do a study - no?

When you treat something like a religion, (or you're caught in an ideological contagion), you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient, feels good and confirms your cognitive bias.

The Chinese were all wearing masks after the sudden lifting of zero-covid and began dying by the hundreds of thousands.

Post data that confirms masks, lower in quality than the KN95, were/are effective against covid spread, then discuss.


You'll note the clauses in Meister's posts.

You have to have radical acceptance of reality (or else you become a victim of circumstance), no?

Birdy num num, innit.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #502 - Feb 10th, 2023 at 7:22am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.


In 2021 there were zero deaths from influenza, and it was suggested
that this was as a side effect of wearing masks for COVID, physical
separation in public places, and lockdowns that year.  In the previous
two years in Australia, there were 938 influenza deaths.


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Reply #503 - Feb 10th, 2023 at 7:25am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 11:16pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
Quote:
Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.



Correlation not causation


Ah.


Yes apparently it is just a coincidence that when Australians took off their masks that Australians started dying. Just a bit of bad luck really. More likely that it was the new brand of bread they were using for toast I suspect. We should do a study - no?

When you treat something like a religion, (or you're caught in an ideological contagion), you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient, feels good and confirms your cognitive bias.

The Chinese were all wearing masks after the sudden lifting of zero-covid and began dying by the hundreds of thousands.

Post data that confirms masks, lower in quality than the KN95, were/are effective against covid spread, then discuss.


You'll note the clauses in Meister's posts.

You have to have radical acceptance of reality (or else you become a victim of circumstance), no?

Birdy num num, innit.



You aren't seriously suggesting that the Australian population should wear n95 masks
Probably n95 makeup about .1% of masks worn
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Reply #504 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:12am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 5:33am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 11:03pm:
I'd bet the pandemic years are going to be known as the pandemic political panic - a sociopolitical contagion - mandated lockdowns, masks and vaccinations (developed in a fevered rush) - all enforced by hastily drafted and enacted legislation.

Will it happen again? You bet - given enough time and faded memory.

Panic runs by its own logic.

LOL... the only people "panicking" are the fraidy cats.  All hot and bothered
about "losing" their rights; government tyrannies; big pharma; conspiracy
denialists; mask and separation mandates; harmful vaccinations; evil twins
Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci; David Icke; bio-weapons; the New World Order;
Joe Biden; the lefties.....

Funny thing is, the fraidy cats never have any viable evidence supporting the
reasons they're in such a state of panic
.  They're led blindly by intellectual
incompetents like Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough,
Tucker Carlson et al.

           Cheesy




Follow the science, Laffin' Boy.




In that context, a new, rigorous study that found masks did nothing to slow Covid-19 might have made the news. But no; a 305-page Cochrane analysis published globally on January 30 that assessed 78 high-quality scientific studies that included more than 610,000 participants has yet to rate a single mention in The Washington Post, The New York Times or on CNN, for instance.

Even passionate maskers, such as Baltimore epidemiologist Jennifer Nuzzo, conceded Cochrane reviews were the “gold standard” of evidence-based medicine and its latest mask study “a very serious undertaking”.

Cochrane found that surgical masks, the kind doctors wear in operating theatres to avoid accidentally sneezing into an open wound, did nothing to stop Covid-19.

READ MORE: ‘Striking cognitive impact’: how Covid babies are different | A fourth year of the ABC’s lead doomsayer | Covid deaths through roof amid aged-care warnings
More embarrassing for Team Mask, those even more uncomfortable N95 masks made little to no difference either. Only hand washing seemed to work to prevent the spread of corona and influenza-like viruses.

“There is just no evidence masks make any difference. Full stop,” University of Oxford associate tutor Tom Jefferson, one of the study’s 12 authors, told Australian journalist Maryanne Demasi last week.

“In the absence of evidence, you shouldn’t be forcing anybody to do so,” he said, describing advocates of forced masking as “activists, not scientists”.

It turns out the billions upon billions of masks that were manufactured in response to government mandates and now are floating in oceans or piling up at rubbish tips were likely to have been a colossal waste. American multinational 3M alone produced 4.5 billion N95 masks in 2020 and 2021, according to Statista; the mind boggles at what the global total for all masks might be.

“Governments completely failed to do the right thing and demand better evidence,” Jefferson says. “At the beginning of the pandemic there were some voices who said masks did not work and then suddenly the narrative changed.”

Thankfully, the narrative is changing again, in part to a US House of Representatives Repub­lican majority that is determined to probe some of the madder aspects of the great madness.

“I had doctors who spent years in medicine telling me masks were not effective, and yet these were being forced on people and school kids,” Republican congressman Gary Palmer said last week at a congressional hearing that included US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention director Rochelle Walensky. “We’re seeing a devastating impact on their educational attainment, so it surprises me that the CDC didn’t do any follow-up testing even while this was going on.”

Wearing a mask sent a powerful message throughout the pandemic: I follow the science. Increasingly, it’s sending a different one: I’m a credulous goose. Or perhaps even, following new research in Frontiers in Psychology published last month: I’m not very attractive.

“Our results consistently demonstrated that self-perceived unattractive individuals were more willing to wear a mask, as they believed it would benefit their attractiveness,” the authors concluded.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/unmasked-the-failure-ofcovid-mandate...


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Reply #505 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:25am
 
A case of hindsight being 20-20.

Looking back, it's hard to believe that so many of us did not see through the obvious flaws in the mask mandate's political logic of panic.

Whilst scarves and tissue-paper masks were included as acceptable legal masking, satisfying the mandate's standards, so few of us back then (excluding the paranoid nutjobs, who were against anything mandated), stopped to wonder how all this could be good science.

Now, of course, big government, big pharma, big media and medicos are locked in a deadly embrace of collusion.

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Reply #506 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:31am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:25am:
A case of hindsight being 20-20.

Looking back, it's hard to believe that so many of us did not see through the obvious flaws in the mask mandate's political logic of panic.

Whilst scarves and tissue-paper masks were included as acceptable legal masking, satisfying the mandate's standards, so few of us back then (excluding the paranoid nutjobs, who were against anything mandated), stopped to wonder how all this could be good science.

Now, of course, big government, big pharma, big media and medicos are locked in a deadly embrace of collusion.


Not hindsight at all. This not new information.
What IS new is that it can no longer be suppressed as 'misinformation".

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Reply #507 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:35am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:31am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:25am:
A case of hindsight being 20-20.

Looking back, it's hard to believe that so many of us did not see through the obvious flaws in the mask mandate's political logic of panic.

Whilst scarves and tissue-paper masks were included as acceptable legal masking, satisfying the mandate's standards, so few of us back then (excluding the paranoid nutjobs, who were against anything mandated), stopped to wonder how all this could be good science.

Now, of course, big government, big pharma, big media and medicos are locked in a deadly embrace of collusion.


Not hindsight at all. This not new information.
What IS new is that it can no longer be suppressed as 'misinformation".


Of course it's hindsight. Millions of us accepted the mask mandates without question.
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Reply #508 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:42am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
Quote:
Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.



Correlation not causation


Ah.


Yes apparently it is just a coincidence that when Australians took off their masks that Australians started dying. Just a bit of bad luck really. More likely that it was the new brand of bread they were using for toast I suspect. We should do a study - no?

When you treat something like a religion, (or you're caught in an ideological contagion), you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient, feels good and confirms your cognitive bias.

The Chinese were all wearing masks after the sudden lifting of zero-covid and began dying by the hundreds of thousands.

Post data that confirms masks, lower in quality than the KN95, were/are effective against covid spread, then discuss.


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you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient


I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Put mask on people do not die - Take mask off people start dying. OK it could be something else that occured at the same time but nobody has any suggestion. There is one contender.

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feels good and confirms your cognitive bias. (or you're caught in an ideological contagion)


Yet you happily dismiss the facts because it feels good and confirms your cognitive bias with the unsupported opinion based on  you're own ideological contagion.


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Reply #509 - Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:48am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:42am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 9:04pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 10:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 8th, 2023 at 8:04am:
Quote:
Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet when people took the masks off there was a 400% increase in covid deaths.



Correlation not causation


Ah.


Yes apparently it is just a coincidence that when Australians took off their masks that Australians started dying. Just a bit of bad luck really. More likely that it was the new brand of bread they were using for toast I suspect. We should do a study - no?

When you treat something like a religion, (or you're caught in an ideological contagion), you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient, feels good and confirms your cognitive bias.

The Chinese were all wearing masks after the sudden lifting of zero-covid and began dying by the hundreds of thousands.

Post data that confirms masks, lower in quality than the KN95, were/are effective against covid spread, then discuss.


Quote:
you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient


I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Put mask on people do not die - Take mask off people start dying. OK it could be something else that occured at the same time but nobody has any suggestion. There is one contender.

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feels good and confirms your cognitive bias. (or you're caught in an ideological contagion)


Yet you happily dismiss the facts because it feels good and confirms your cognitive bias with the unsupported opinion based on  you're own ideological contagion.



So you still feel safe around people with scarves and tissue paper on a string covering their mouth and nose, then.

How about those whose masks they're wearing look like the same ones they bought a year ago?

How do you feel when they cough and sneeze? Safe?
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