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Reply #45 - Apr 22nd, 2022 at 11:36pm
 
Droplet transmission is one of the ways that COVID is transmitted.   It is multimodal.  And therefore, to prevent increasing viral load in the community, you need minimise droplets.   It is well accepted, that those regions with mask mandates and social distancing, did better than those regions who did not. 

When we sneeze or cough, the respiratory droplets comes in many sizes and shapes.  The larger ones, can potentially split, in mid air, or become aerosol after interaction with external environment.    And if you are able to stop it before it becomes smaller aerosol, then you are reducing viral load, and thereby chance of transmission.  This is physics, and this is science. 

All of your sources, were originally from sources stating that in view of aerosol spread of the virus, we need to come up with further measures to reduce viral load in endemic areas IN ADDITION to masks and social distancing.  Your pseudo scientist then twisted it to think that all of sudden mask is not important when the virus spreads via droplets as well.   

This sort of tactics can only confuse the general public who are otherwise not medically trained.
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Reply #46 - Apr 22nd, 2022 at 11:59pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 11:36pm:
Droplet transmission is one of the ways that COVID is transmitted.   It is multimodal.  And therefore, to prevent increasing viral load in the community, you need minimise droplets.   It is well accepted, that those regions with mask mandates and social distancing, did better than those regions who did not. 

When we sneeze or cough, the respiratory droplets comes in many sizes and shapes.  The larger ones, can potentially split, in mid air, or become aerosol after interaction with external environment.    And if you are able to stop it before it becomes smaller aerosol, then you are reducing viral load, and thereby chance of transmission.  This is physics, and this is science. 

All of your sources, were originally from sources stating that in view of aerosol spread of the virus, we need to come up with further measures to reduce viral load in endemic areas IN ADDITION to masks and social distancing.  Your pseudo scientist then twisted it to think that all of sudden mask is not important when the virus spreads via droplets as well.   

This sort of tactics can only confuse the general public who are otherwise not medically trained. 


Droplets cannot be inhaled therefore masks do nothing with droplets, what part of that do you fail to comprehend?

I don't think you understand the difference between droplets and Aerosols it's clear from your posts.

Did you read the link i posted from WHO in 2019 they said masks don't do anything with every study in that link or do you ignore any scientific information that contradicts Lisa Wilkinson?

It was Japanese virologist who was the first to recognise aerosol transmission with the Diamond Princess cruise ship it took the CDC and WHO a lot longer to accept this.

Since it's accepted Aerosols are major cause of transmission then the social distancing of 1.5 m is also garbage as droplets fall to ground within 1m and Aerosols travel >10m.

No difference in case rates between states with mask mandates compared to no mask mandates. If masks worked in preventing Covid there would be a difference.


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Reply #47 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 12:00am
 
Parts of Germany made N95 masks mandatory. It made no difference.

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Reply #48 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 7:58am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 11:59pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 11:36pm:
Droplet transmission is one of the ways that COVID is transmitted.   It is multimodal.  And therefore, to prevent increasing viral load in the community, you need minimise droplets.   It is well accepted, that those regions with mask mandates and social distancing, did better than those regions who did not. 

When we sneeze or cough, the respiratory droplets comes in many sizes and shapes.  The larger ones, can potentially split, in mid air, or become aerosol after interaction with external environment.    And if you are able to stop it before it becomes smaller aerosol, then you are reducing viral load, and thereby chance of transmission.  This is physics, and this is science. 

All of your sources, were originally from sources stating that in view of aerosol spread of the virus, we need to come up with further measures to reduce viral load in endemic areas IN ADDITION to masks and social distancing.  Your pseudo scientist then twisted it to think that all of sudden mask is not important when the virus spreads via droplets as well.   

This sort of tactics can only confuse the general public who are otherwise not medically trained. 


Droplets cannot be inhaled therefore masks do nothing with droplets, what part of that do you fail to comprehend?

I don't think you understand the difference between droplets and Aerosols it's clear from your posts.

Did you read the link i posted from WHO in 2019 they said masks don't do anything with every study in that link or do you ignore any scientific information that contradicts Lisa Wilkinson?

It was Japanese virologist who was the first to recognise aerosol transmission with the Diamond Princess cruise ship it took the CDC and WHO a lot longer to accept this.

Since it's accepted Aerosols are major cause of transmission then the social distancing of 1.5 m is also garbage as droplets fall to ground within 1m and Aerosols travel >10m.

No difference in case rates between states with mask mandates compared to no mask mandates. If masks worked in preventing Covid there would be a difference.




No, the Japanese scientist meant that mask alone is not enough to prevent spread of COVID because of aerosol spread.  There are still droplet spread. 

After expulsion, the droplets can fall onto surfaces like tables, chairs, keyboards, each other people shirt.    And because they are so small, other unsuspecting people would touch it, and then bring it close to their respiratory tract.  And as small water content of the droplet evaporate, and we breath in, the viral particle spreads.   

I attached a link to part two of your diagram.  The one that your quasi scientists conveniently left out for their own agenda.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00535-6/figures/1

Wearing a mask, means that you minimize the amount of droplets spread on to surfaces, so that others can touch.  And also when contaminated, you are less likely to touch places near your respiratory tract - namely mouth and nose.   

My friends, the important take away message is this...

Droplet spread matters!  Mask Matters!  Believe in science.
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Reply #49 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 8:05am
 
Doctor with expired license falsely claims masks don’t work



A YouTube video and social media posts claim a man blowing vape smoke through various face masks shows that they do not help prevent the spread of coronavirus. This is false; experts agree that while the virus itself is small enough to fit through mask fibers -- as is vape smoke -- masks do help stop the much-larger respiratory droplets that carry potentially infectious particles, and multiple studies have indicated that masks reduce transmission of the virus causing Covid-19.

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https://factcheck.afp.com/doctor-expired-license-falsely-claims-masks-dont-work



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Reply #50 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 9:35am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 9:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 9:26pm:
Masks don't do anything Sad Skip and others who claim it spreads by droplets show their ignorance in the fact it's accepted droplets cannot be inhaled.


cannot be inhaled? I don't know.

But then again, they don't need to. If I cough and get droplets on the elevator buttons at the local shopping centre, and you then push those buttons and shortly after then use those hands to eat your food,  do we still need to inhale the droplets? Or could you have been infected without inhaling them?


Droplets cannot be inhaled this is an accepted fact they fall to the ground within 1m.

How is a mask going to protect you from fomites when they're not inhaled?

The aerosols will escape from around mask and eventually settle on surfaces in elevator so another example of masks being useless

There are studies that show greater than 80% of infections are from aerosol transmission. Those indoor super spreader events are close to 100% aerosol transmission.

It was media whipping up hysteria which resulted in governments imposing these mask mandates to make it look like they were doing something and the gullible fools like you Buzz Sad Skip and others are too stupid to question any of it.

Look closely and compare droplet which they assumed was primary cause of transmission to aerosol which evidence shows is primary cause of transmission.





crap. Even if aerosols escape, they do so through the sides of the masks and not directly onto whatever you are facing, which in an elevator is usually facing the door and the buttons, the things other people are most likely to handle. Again, no one ever said masks are a panacea. Yes, you always have the aerosols that escape, that cannot be helped unless you want to walk around with a plastic bag over your head. But masks REDUCE the spread. No matter how much you pretend otherwise.
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Reply #51 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 10:36pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 23rd, 2022 at 9:35am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 9:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 22nd, 2022 at 9:26pm:
Masks don't do anything Sad Skip and others who claim it spreads by droplets show their ignorance in the fact it's accepted droplets cannot be inhaled.


cannot be inhaled? I don't know.

But then again, they don't need to. If I cough and get droplets on the elevator buttons at the local shopping centre, and you then push those buttons and shortly after then use those hands to eat your food,  do we still need to inhale the droplets? Or could you have been infected without inhaling them?


Droplets cannot be inhaled this is an accepted fact they fall to the ground within 1m.

How is a mask going to protect you from fomites when they're not inhaled?

The aerosols will escape from around mask and eventually settle on surfaces in elevator so another example of masks being useless

There are studies that show greater than 80% of infections are from aerosol transmission. Those indoor super spreader events are close to 100% aerosol transmission.

It was media whipping up hysteria which resulted in governments imposing these mask mandates to make it look like they were doing something and the gullible fools like you Buzz Sad Skip and others are too stupid to question any of it.

Look closely and compare droplet which they assumed was primary cause of transmission to aerosol which evidence shows is primary cause of transmission.





crap. Even if aerosols escape, they do so through the sides of the masks and not directly onto whatever you are facing, which in an elevator is usually facing the door and the buttons, the things other people are most likely to handle. Again, no one ever said masks are a panacea. Yes, you always have the aerosols that escape, that cannot be helped unless you want to walk around with a plastic bag over your head. But masks REDUCE the spread. No matter how much you pretend otherwise.


These Aerosols linger in the air for hours it's inevitable they will end up on walls and floor even the doors and buttons in your elevator.

Masks don't protect you from surface contamination only dopey dim wits like you would believe that.

Washing your hands is suggested for those who touch things with possible fomites.

We also have the issue of contracting covid through your eyes which shows mask mandates did stuff all apart from giving the impression politicians were doing something.
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Reply #52 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 11:06pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Apr 23rd, 2022 at 7:58am:
No, the Japanese scientist meant that mask alone is not enough to prevent spread of COVID because of aerosol spread.  There are still droplet spread. 

After expulsion, the droplets can fall onto surfaces like tables, chairs, keyboards, each other people shirt.    And because they are so small, other unsuspecting people would touch it, and then bring it close to their respiratory tract.  And as small water content of the droplet evaporate, and we breath in, the viral particle spreads.   

Wearing a mask, means that you minimize the amount of droplets spread on to surfaces, so that others can touch.  And also when contaminated, you are less likely to touch places near your respiratory tract - namely mouth and nose.   

My friends, the important take away message is this...

Droplet spread matters!  Mask Matters!  Believe in science. 


I have studied Science at Sydney Uni so i understand how Science works.

When people use buzzwords like believe or trust science then quote obsolete outdated information that is wrong it shows they don't understand the fundamental basics with science. When something has proven to be wrong science throws it in the garbage and goes with the truth. Two truths cannot contradict each other in Science.

The Japanese Scientist was the first to recognise Aerosol transmission as passengers were locked in cabins food was delivered to their door by staff wearing masks yet cases rose exponentially. These people didn't come into contact with any contaminated surfaces.

The droplet theory has been thrown out yet the internet is full of misinformation on this people have been brainwashed from misinformation.

Is the RACGP Australian?
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‘A welcome step’: WHO acknowledges aerosol spread of COVID-19

04 May 2021
For close to a year, experts have been challenging governments and health authorities to acknowledge the role of aerosol spread in the transmission of COVID-19.

Now, 13 months since the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic, and the agency has formally recognised that the virus is airborne.

Kate Cole, President-elect of the Australia Institute of Occupational Hygienists, has been a vocal advocate for the formal recognition of aerosol spread. She called the WHO’s acknowledgement is ‘a welcome step’ in the right direction.
‘They’re saying now what we as scientists have been saying for the majority of this pandemic,’ she told newsGP.
More- https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/a-welcome-step-who-acknowledges-aeroso...


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Why the WHO took two years to say COVID is airborne

06 April 2022

Early in the pandemic, the World Health Organization stated that SARS-CoV-2 was not transmitted through the air. That mistake and the prolonged process of correcting it sowed confusion and raises questions about what will happen in the next pandemic.

The seemingly uncontroversial statement marked a clear shift for the Switzerland-based WHO, which had tweeted categorically early in the pandemic, “FACT: #COVID19 is NOT airborne,” casting the negative in capital letters as if to remove any doubt. At that time, the agency maintained that the virus spreads mainly through droplets produced when a person coughs, sneezes or speaks, an assumption based on decades-old infection-control teachings about how respiratory viruses generally pass from one person to another.

The change brings the WHO’s messaging in line with what a chorus of aerosol and public-health experts have been trying to get it to say since the earliest days of the outbreak. Many decry the agency’s slowness in stating — unambiguously — that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne. Interviews conducted by Nature with dozens of specialists on disease transmission suggest that the WHO’s reluctance to accept and communicate evidence for airborne transmission was based on a series of problematic assumptions.

More- https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00925-7


Didn't see this reported by those peddling fake news and misinformation.
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Let’s Clear The Air On COVID

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By Dr. Alondra Nelson, head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and Deputy Assistant to the President

The most common way COVID-19 is transmitted from one person to another is through tiny airborne particles of the virus hanging in indoor air for minutes or hours after an infected person has been there.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/03/23/lets-clear-the-air-on-co...


The experts have been saying Aerosol is the main method of transmission for years they have been ignored by those who prefer to spread misinformation.

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The Coronavirus Is Airborne Indoors. Why Are We Still Scrubbing Surfaces?

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Scientists who initially warned about contaminated surfaces now say that the virus spreads primarily through inhaled droplets, and that there is little to no evidence that deep cleaning mitigates the threat indoors.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/world/asia/covid-cleaning.html
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Reply #53 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 11:12pm
 
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Mask mandates didn't do anything


Yet in places that masked, distanced and isolated early a lot less people died.
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Reply #55 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 11:31pm
 
So, basically, an infected person can cough and sneeze around a shopping centre. The (coughed) aerosols will float around in the air for a while and then find a landing place to stay until cleaned. The droplets might originate more from sneezing or a person touching other things with sweaty hands. The virus stays alive on the surface for hours on end. The next person that comes along and touches something contaminated can get the infection of the virus.

So, unless people are using sanitisers for their hands (in addition to washing their hands), wearing masks indoors, and have a good immunity system, the virus will be around for a while for the vulnerable.

Get the vulnerable to isolate and let the rest of us develop our immunity and keep the economy going.
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Reply #56 - Apr 23rd, 2022 at 11:43pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 23rd, 2022 at 8:05am:
Doctor with expired license falsely claims masks don’t work



A YouTube video and social media posts claim a man blowing vape smoke through various face masks shows that they do not help prevent the spread of coronavirus. This is false; experts agree that while the virus itself is small enough to fit through mask fibers -- as is vape smoke -- masks do help stop the much-larger respiratory droplets that carry potentially infectious particles, and multiple studies have indicated that masks reduce transmission of the virus causing Covid-19.

Cont. ...

https://factcheck.afp.com/doctor-expired-license-falsely-claims-masks-dont-work





Buzz finds a fact checker who bullshits and thinks it's the truth because it's on the internet.

He is 68 perhaps his license expired because he retired.
A friend of mine works in the same field here he was on over $200K a year 20 years ago.
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Here is the video people can watch it and make up their own minds when they see the clouds of smoke emitted while he is wearing various masks. Starts after 1 min intro explains how people on other side of room get infected


Buzz ignores any evidence that comes from real sources he prefers to get info from journalists like Lisa Wilkinson.

The WHO released this in Sept 2019 none of the studies they cited showed masks work. Take note of words like no significant or no statistical reduction from wearing masks on page 24 under outcomes and findings.

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1.3. Face masks   Page 21
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329439/WHO-WHE-IHM-GIP-2019.1-e...


The only science behind face masks is called political science.
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PETER HITCHENS: Face masks turn us into voiceless submissives - and it’s not science forcing us to wear them, it’s politics[/highlight]


19 July 2020

On July 12, Deborah Cohen, the medical correspondent of BBC2’s Newsnight, revealed an astonishing thing. The World Health Organisation (WHO) had reversed its advice on face masks, from ‘don’t wear them’ to ‘do wear them’.

But the key fact was that it had not done so because of scientific information – the evidence had not backed the wearing of face coverings – but because of political lobbying.


She revealed on Twitter that: ‘We had been told by various sources [that the] WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying.’ She said the BBC had then put this to the WHO, which did not deny it.

n March, the WHO had said: ‘There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including Covid-19.’



Earlier that same month, England’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, had said that wearing face masks would do little to combat the outbreak.

Dr Jenny Harries, a Deputy Chief Medical Officer, warned that people could be putting themselves more at risk from contracting Covid by wearing muzzles. She said masks could ‘actually trap the virus’, and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in. She explained: ‘For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea.’

On April 3, the other Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, said he did not believe healthy people wearing them would reduce the spread of the disease in the UK.

The British Government has also zig-zagged. As recently as June 24, in a series of official pamphlets for reopening shops and services, the Department for Business and Enterprise said repeatedly: ‘The evidence of the benefit of using a face covering to protect others is weak and the effect is likely to be small.’

The truth is that the muzzle policy is all about power and fear.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8537489/PETER-HITCHENS-Face-masks-tur...


All these experts in that article were ignored by the government yet they were right. The sheeple fell for the bullshit about masks hook line and sinker.
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The US has conducted the largest study with around 300 million people with some states having no mask mandates compared to those who did. Like the WHO paper i linked published in Sept 2019 there is no statistical difference between states with mask mandates compared to those without. The evidence is clear masks didn't do anything


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SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Health Care Workers Despite the Use of Surgical Masks and Physical Distancing—the Role of Airborne Transmission


2021 Jan 27

A key question in the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic is whether SARS-CoV-2 could be transmitted via the airborne route as well. We report for the first time SARS-CoV-2 nosocomial infections despite using surgical masks and physical distancing. This report may provide possible evidence for airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2.

In this report, we describe a single-source outbreak of COVID-19 from an asymptomatic patient to 9 HCWs and room contacts in a general pediatric ward, despite meeting the current guidelines for PPE and wearing surgical masks.

A 3-year-old boy was admitted to a general pediatric ward in SCMC for steroid treatment due to electrical status epilepticus in sleep. He was screened for COVID-19, and a negative result was given (d-4). The hospitalization was uneventful, and he was discharged on d0 as planned. On d4, 2 days after having symptoms compatible with COVID-19, his mother received a positive result. In the next few days, 9 patients were identified as COVID-19 positive; 6 of them were HCWs (4 physicians, 1 nurse, and 1 dietician). All participated in the same medical round, 3 of them without any direct contact with the child.All HCWs reported wearing PPE as guided, including surgical masks. No close contacts or family members of the HCWs were diagnosed with COVID-19. The child’s mother wore a surgical mask constantly as well. The 3 other infected patients were 2 children and 1 mother staying in the same room. On d6 after discharge, that child was also positive for COVID-19.

Three pediatricians (1 interim) were found to be positive for COVID-19 on d5 and d6. Two were symptomatic, and 1 was diagnosed due to general screening of the ward’s staff. Epidemiologic investigation revealed that the only known exposure of each of them was to the family mentioned above, during morning rounds (d0). Two of them were at a distance of about 6 feet (~2 meters) and did not have direct or indirect contact with the child or his mother. The third pediatrician examined the child, without any mucosal exposure or other AGP. All reported wearing surgical masks continuously. The whole meeting with the family lasted less than 10 minutes.

Another pediatrician and a nurse were found to be positive for COVID-19 on d6 and d7, after having mild COVID-19 symptoms. Similarly, their only known exposure was to the same family, when obtaining blood samples from the child (d0). The mother stayed in the room during the whole procedure, which lasted ~10 minutes.The HCWs reported using PPE including wearing surgical masks as guided.

The child had a low-carbohydrate diet due to his medical condition. A dietician consulted on the case twice (d-1 and d0), each time for ~15 minutes. Physical distancing was observed, andboth the mother and the dietician reported wearing surgical masks. On d5, the dietician became symptomatic and tested positive for COVID-19.

DISCUSSION
In this report, we described a superspreading event of 9 COVID-19 infections from 1 familydespite using PPE and wearing surgical masks. Overall, 6 HCWs were infected, of whom at least 3 did not have direct contact with the child or his mother. None of the other 3 HCWs performed any AGPs or other procedures involving mucosal membranes. Also, they did not have any direct contact with the child’s mother. During morning rounds, the child was asymptomatic and did not cough, sneeze, cry, or even talk. The other infected inpatients were at a distance of more than 6 feet away from the asymptomatic COVID-19 patient. No other patients, escorts, or HCWs were infected.

To the best of our knowledge, this is the first description of nosocomial infection outbreak with SARS-CoV-2 despite using surgical masks.


Few studies have described the possibility of airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2, but the current guidelines focus mainly on droplet precautions

We assume that the facts that the infected individuals wore surgical masks and that most of them were at a distance of 6 feet or more without any direct contact with the COVID-19 patient cannot be explained only by droplets or contact transmission of the virus. It may imply airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and strengthen the assumption of infection via aerosol particles in superspreading events.

Another possibility for transmission is via fomites. It seems like the virus could survive on surfaces, despite the demonstrated rapid infectivity decline from clothes, paper, and cotton [11]. Nevertheless, fomite transmission could not explain the infections of indexes 2, 3, and 6 (2 pediatricians and a dietician, respectively), where there was neither physical contact nor shared equipment

In conclusion, we described COVID-19 infections in a pediatric ward despite adherence to guidelines for physical distancing and wearing surgical masks. Our reported cases may provide evidence for airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7928680/


Evidence shows masks do jack schiit
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Stats show countries that were less vaccinated, distrusted their govts more and ignored medical advice had a higher death rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

In the US, you can drill down through the figures and it shows that individual states that were less vaccinated, distrusted their govts more and ignored medical advice had a higher death rate than states that are highly vaccinated.

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Reply #59 - Apr 24th, 2022 at 12:23pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24th, 2022 at 12:45am:
Stats show countries that were less vaccinated, distrusted their govts more and ignored medical advice had a higher death rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

In the US, you can drill down through the figures and it shows that individual states that were less vaccinated, distrusted their govts more and ignored medical advice had a higher death rate than states that are highly vaccinated.




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