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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #510 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:53am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:35am:

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:25am:

A case of hindsight being 20-20.

Looking back, it's hard to believe that so many of us did not see through the obvious flaws in the mask mandate's political logic of panic.

Whilst scarves and tissue-paper masks were included as acceptable legal masking, satisfying the mandate's standards, so few of us back then (excluding the paranoid nutjobs, who were against anything mandated), stopped to wonder how all this could be good science.

Now, of course, big government, big pharma, big media and medicos are locked in a deadly embrace of collusion.

Not hindsight at all. This not new information.
What IS new is that it can no longer be suppressed as 'misinformation".

Of course it's hindsight. Millions of us accepted the mask mandates without question.

Perhaps fortunately, some evidence suggests that donning a face mask might drive the wearer and those around them to adhere better to other measures, such as social distancing. The masks remind them of shared responsibility, perhaps. But that requires that people wear them.

Saying that mask didnt do anything goes too far. They didn't do much IN THEMSELVES. This was known for a long time. It was most useful as a constant, visible reminder.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #511 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:54am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

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you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient

I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Oh, they're suggesting different causes... Senior medicos are suggesting that, without evidence, it's probably due to those who didn't go for check-ups or bother to seek their life-saving pharmaceuticals during and after lockdowns.

But, just to make sure no one can easily fact-check them on that, current data is no longer being published.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #512 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:56am

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:35am:

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:25am:

A case of hindsight being 20-20.

Looking back, it's hard to believe that so many of us did not see through the obvious flaws in the mask mandate's political logic of panic.

Whilst scarves and tissue-paper masks were included as acceptable legal masking, satisfying the mandate's standards, so few of us back then (excluding the paranoid nutjobs, who were against anything mandated), stopped to wonder how all this could be good science.

Now, of course, big government, big pharma, big media and medicos are locked in a deadly embrace of collusion.

Not hindsight at all. This not new information.
What IS new is that it can no longer be suppressed as 'misinformation".

Of course it's hindsight. Millions of us accepted the mask mandates without question.

Perhaps fortunately, some evidence suggests that donning a face mask might drive the wearer and those around them to adhere better to other measures, such as social distancing. The masks remind them of shared responsibility, perhaps. But that requires that people wear them.

Which masks were they referring to? A tea towel wrapped around the face? A tissue on a string? A scarf?

More like voodoo than science. Did anyone ask the Jamaicans?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #513 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:06am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

But, just to make sure no one can easily fact-check them on that, current data is no longer being published.

This claim, of course, just like the majority of other erroneous
drivel that the fraidy cats post here is easily repudiated.

This is the current Australian data:

COVID-19 case notifications.

Over the last week, 16,823 cases of COVID-19 were reported
across Australia, an average of 2,403 cases per day.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #514 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:07am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Put mask on people do not die - Take mask off people start dyng. OK it could be something else that occured at the same time but nobody has any suggestion. There is one contender.

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feels good and confirms your cognitive bias. (or you're caught in an ideological contagion)

Yet you happily dismiss the facts because it feels good and confirms your cognitive bias with the unsupported opinion based on you're own ideological contagion.

So you still feel safe around people with scarves and tissue paper on a string covering their mouth and nose, then.

How about those whose masks they're wearing look like the same ones they bought a year ago?

How do you feel when they cough and sneeze? Safe?

Thought experiment for Ducky:

Crowded public transport, everyone is masked. Person next to you starts coughing and sneezing.
Do you fel safe and unconcerned? Or do you get off, discard mask, handsanitise up to your elbow and swear to never get on public transport again until this whole nightmare is over. Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #515 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:11am

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

But, just to make sure no one can easily fact-check them on that, current data is no longer being published.

This claim, of course, just like the majority of other erroneous
drivel that the fraidy cats post here is easily repudiated.

This is the current Australian data:

COVID-19 case notifications.

Over the last week, 16,823 cases of COVID-19 were reported
across Australia, an average of 2,403 cases per day.

You still haven't explained why your NSW data stopped in July 2022. The British Office of National Statistics Has stopped publishing detailed data since May 2022.

Why is that?

I guess any old bullshit data satisfy some people who sacrifice scepticism for a faux sense of safety.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #516 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:15am

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Put mask on people do not die - Take mask off people start dyng. OK it could be something else that occured at the same time but nobody has any suggestion. There is one contender.

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feels good and confirms your cognitive bias. (or you're caught in an ideological contagion)

Yet you happily dismiss the facts because it feels good and confirms your cognitive bias with the unsupported opinion based on you're own ideological contagion.

So you still feel safe around people with scarves and tissue paper on a string covering their mouth and nose, then.

How about those whose masks they're wearing look like the same ones they bought a year ago?

How do you feel when they cough and sneeze? Safe?

Thought experiment for Ducky:

Crowded public transport, everyone is masked. Person next to you starts coughing and sneezing.
Do you fel safe and unconcerned? Or do you get off, discard mask, handsanitise up to your elbow and swear to never get on public transport again until this whole nightmare is over. Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Ducky, eh!

No, I'm betting that, in crowded public transport, the chances of someone coughing and sneezing into a tea towel, a tissue on a string, a mask that has been worn for months, or a scarf, are not going to make any difference than the unmasked to the safety outcome.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #517 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:45am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

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you'll be prone to linking events without cause because it's convenient

I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Oh, they're suggesting different causes... Senior medicos are suggesting that, without evidence, it's probably due to those who didn't go for check-ups or bother to seek their life-saving pharmaceuticals during and after lockdowns.

But, just to make sure no one can easily fact-check them on that, current data is no longer being published.

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it's probably due to those who didn't go for check-ups

Best one yet, people who didn't go for check ups didn't die till after they took off their mask - really ?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #518 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Put mask on people do not die - Take mask off people start dyng. OK it could be something else that occured at the same time but nobody has any suggestion. There is one contender.

Quote:

feels good and confirms your cognitive bias. (or you're caught in an ideological contagion)

Yet you happily dismiss the facts because it feels good and confirms your cognitive bias with the unsupported opinion based on you're own ideological contagion.

So you still feel safe around people with scarves and tissue paper on a string covering their mouth and nose, then.

How about those whose masks they're wearing look like the same ones they bought a year ago?

How do you feel when they cough and sneeze? Safe?

Thought experiment for Ducky:

Crowded public transport, everyone is masked. Person next to you starts coughing and sneezing.
Do you fel safe and unconcerned? Or do you get off, discard mask, handsanitise up to your elbow and swear to never get on public transport again until this whole nightmare is over. Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Ducky, eh!

No, I'm betting that, in crowded public transport, the chances of someone coughing and sneezing into a tea towel, a tissue on a string, a mask that has been worn for months, or a scarf, are not going to make any difference than the unmasked to the safety outcome.

Most people would have been using masks clean and in reasonable condition.

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #519 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:56am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

Most people would have been using masks clean and in reasonable condition.

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

You're a petrified old man, eh!

Most people would have... and you think this because you want to believe it?

Since you're making up stats on the fly, what percentage of difference did it make?

How do you explain the death rate in China? There was a mask mandate after their zero-covid was lifted.

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Reply #520 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Put mask on people do not die - Take mask off people start dyng. OK it could be something else that occured at the same time but nobody has any suggestion. There is one contender.

Quote:

feels good and confirms your cognitive bias. (or you're caught in an ideological contagion)

Yet you happily dismiss the facts because it feels good and confirms your cognitive bias with the unsupported opinion based on you're own ideological contagion.

So you still feel safe around people with scarves and tissue paper on a string covering their mouth and nose, then.

How about those whose masks they're wearing look like the same ones they bought a year ago?

How do you feel when they cough and sneeze? Safe?

Thought experiment for Ducky:

Crowded public transport, everyone is masked. Person next to you starts coughing and sneezing.
Do you fel safe and unconcerned? Or do you get off, discard mask, handsanitise up to your elbow and swear to never get on public transport again until this whole nightmare is over. Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Ducky, eh!

No, I'm betting that, in crowded public transport, the chances of someone coughing and sneezing into a tea towel, a tissue on a string, a mask that has been worn for months, or a scarf, are not going to make any difference than the unmasked to the safety outcome.

DNA raver is ducky. Puddle Duck Jimmy

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #521 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:37pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

Most people would have been using masks clean and in reasonable condition.

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

You're a petrified old man, eh!

Most people would have... and you think this because you want to believe it?

Since you're making up stats on the fly, what percentage of difference did it make?

How do you explain the death rate in China? There was a mask mandate after their zero-covid was lifted.

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Since you're making up stats on the fly,

Look it up yourself.

In the 12 months before the mandate ended roughly 2,000 Australians died of covid, in the following 12 months about 14,000 Australians died.The number is now at 19,000.

The red mark on the image is approximately when the restrictions were removed, on the left the number of people who died when masks were on, to the right the number of people who died after masks were removed. I didn't make this up check for yourself.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #522 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:46pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

Most people would have been using masks clean and in reasonable condition.

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

You're a petrified old man, eh!

Most people would have... and you think this because you want to believe it?

Since you're making up stats on the fly, what percentage of difference did it make?

How do you explain the death rate in China? There was a mask mandate after their zero-covid was lifted.

Every place on the planet where the mandates were not used or poorly enforced more people died. Particularly in the USA.

With China the dynamics the population density and secrecy make it difficult to know what happened.

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Reply #523 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:08pm

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Put mask on people do not die - Take mask off people start dyng. OK it could be something else that occured at the same time but nobody has any suggestion. There is one contender.

Quote:

feels good and confirms your cognitive bias. (or you're caught in an ideological contagion)

Yet you happily dismiss the facts because it feels good and confirms your cognitive bias with the unsupported opinion based on you're own ideological contagion.

So you still feel safe around people with scarves and tissue paper on a string covering their mouth and nose, then.

How about those whose masks they're wearing look like the same ones they bought a year ago?

How do you feel when they cough and sneeze? Safe?

Thought experiment for Ducky:

Crowded public transport, everyone is masked. Person next to you starts coughing and sneezing.
Do you fel safe and unconcerned? Or do you get off, discard mask, handsanitise up to your elbow and swear to never get on public transport again until this whole nightmare is over. Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Embarrassed

Ducky, eh!

No, I'm betting that, in crowded public transport, the chances of someone coughing and sneezing into a tea towel, a tissue on a string, a mask that has been worn for months, or a scarf, are not going to make any difference than the unmasked to the safety outcome.

DNA raver is ducky. Puddle Duck Jimmy

Post after post Enfurta - all crammed full of insults and lacking in substance. It's a common theme.

OH yes I have coughed and sneezed on public transport, it happens.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #524 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

Most people would have been using masks clean and in reasonable condition.

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

You're a petrified old man, eh!

Most people would have... and you think this because you want to believe it?

Since you're making up stats on the fly, what percentage of difference did it make?

How do you explain the death rate in China? There was a mask mandate after their zero-covid was lifted.

Every place on the planet where the mandates were not used or poorly enforced more people died. Particularly in the USA.

With China the dynamics the population density and secrecy make it difficult to know what happened.

See, that's where you prove you're not keeping up. South Africa dropped the mask mandate in May 2022. Excess deaths declined.

The CCP tried to hide the true number of deaths until there were so many the lie was pointless. The mask mandate was initially strictly enforced until that proved pointless as well.

You're a terrified old man who's placed all his hopes for safety on a scarf or a tissue on a string.

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