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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #525 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:53pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

Most people would have been using masks clean and in reasonable condition.

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

You're a petrified old man, eh!

Most people would have... and you think this because you want to believe it?

Since you're making up stats on the fly, what percentage of difference did it make?

How do you explain the death rate in China? There was a mask mandate after their zero-covid was lifted.

Every place on the planet where the mandates were not used or poorly enforced more people died. Particularly in the USA.

With China the dynamics the population density and secrecy make it difficult to know what happened.

See, that's where you prove you're not keeping up. South Africa dropped the mask mandate in May 2022. Excess deaths declined.

The CCP tried to hide the true number of deaths until there were so many the lie was pointless. The mask mandate was initially strictly enforced until that proved pointless as well.

You're a terrified old man who's placed all his hopes for safety on a scarf or a tissue on a string.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #526 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 6:57pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

Most people would have been using masks clean and in reasonable condition.

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

You're a petrified old man, eh!

Most people would have... and you think this because you want to believe it?

Since you're making up stats on the fly, what percentage of difference did it make?

How do you explain the death rate in China? There was a mask mandate after their zero-covid was lifted.

Every place on the planet where the mandates were not used or poorly enforced more people died. Particularly in the USA.

With China the dynamics the population density and secrecy make it difficult to know what happened.

See, that's where you prove you're not keeping up. South Africa dropped the mask mandate in May 2022. Excess deaths declined.

The CCP tried to hide the true number of deaths until there were so many the lie was pointless. The mask mandate was initially strictly enforced until that proved pointless as well.

You're a terrified old man who's placed all his hopes for safety on a scarf or a tissue on a string.

South Africa have a bit over twice our population - over 100,000 died of covid.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #527 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 7:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 6:57pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

Most people would have been using masks clean and in reasonable condition.

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

You're a petrified old man, eh!

Most people would have... and you think this because you want to believe it?

Since you're making up stats on the fly, what percentage of difference did it make?

How do you explain the death rate in China? There was a mask mandate after their zero-covid was lifted.

Every place on the planet where the mandates were not used or poorly enforced more people died. Particularly in the USA.

With China the dynamics the population density and secrecy make it difficult to know what happened.

See, that's where you prove you're not keeping up. South Africa dropped the mask mandate in May 2022. Excess deaths declined.

The CCP tried to hide the true number of deaths until there were so many the lie was pointless. The mask mandate was initially strictly enforced until that proved pointless as well.

You're a terrified old man who's placed all his hopes for safety on a scarf or a tissue on a string.

South Africa have a bit over twice our population - over 100,000 died of covid.
NEXT.

And yet excess deaths declined over 2022 in South Africa, even after the mask mandates were lifted, but not in Australia.

Why is that?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #528 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 8:29pm

I'm hearing stories of a new face mask: the Gossamer Light N181 Transparent Face Mask.

The only indication someone will be wearing one will be two bands over the ears which then loop over each canine. A transparent gossamer sheet will be supported by them.

This will have the added effect of forcing the sides of the wearer's mouth to be lifted into a fixed smile, which will be nice for the codgers when it catches on as they will not only feel safe, they will no longer be terrorised by the Monday morning scowl as they trudge their way via public transport across town to cash in on their weekly supply of cheap disposable incontinence diapers.

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Reply #529 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 9:12pm

Some of the reasons that South Africa performed well on covid.

1. Quick Action

right from the beginning, most African governments took drastic measures to try and slow the spread of the virus. (lockdowns distancing and masks)

2. Public Support

The population supported the strong action.

3. Young population

and few old-age homes

4. Favourable climate

A hot low humidity climate is the best to control the spread of covid.

5. Good community health systems

The Covid-19 pandemic came at a time when the Democratic Republic of Congo was dealing with its biggest outbreak of Ebola yet. Neighbouring states were on high alert, and the health screening of travellers for Ebola was extended to include Covid-19.

https://gdc.unicef.org/resource/coronavirus-africa-five-reasons-why-covid-19-has...

In short South Africa quickly put strict measures in place they got great support from their people they have a younger population with few aged care facilities they have a favourable climate and they already had a strong testing regime in place with a long history of dealing with communicable disease.

They still lost over 100,000 people.

Nothing happened in South Africa that supports your argument.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #530 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 9:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Some of the reasons that South Africa performed well on covid.

1. Quick Action

right from the beginning, most African governments took drastic measures to try and slow the spread of the virus. (lockdowns distancing and masks)

2. Public Support

The population supported the strong action.

3. Young population

and few old-age homes

4. Favourable climate

A hot low humidity climate is the best to control the spread of covid.

5. Good community health systems

The Covid-19 pandemic came at a time when the Democratic Republic of Congo was dealing with its biggest outbreak of Ebola yet. Neighbouring states were on high alert, and the health screening of travellers for Ebola was extended to include Covid-19.

https://gdc.unicef.org/resource/coronavirus-africa-five-reasons-why-covid-19-has...

In short South Africa quickly put strict measures in place they got great support from their people they have a younger population with few aged care facilities they have a favourable climate and they already had a strong testing regime in place with a long history of dealing with communicable disease.

They still lost over 100,000 people.

Nothing happened in South Africa that supports your argument.

And only 63% were vaccinated in South Africa.

Are you saying South Africa has a more robust health system than Australia? SA provides free but low-quality health care to its citizens.

Is there nothing you won't believe to protect yourself from being terrorised by this virus?

Can you walk and fart at the same time?

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #531 - Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:02pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 3:08pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 2:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Frank wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:07am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

I note that nobody has suggested a different cause ?

Put mask on people do not die - Take mask off people start dyng. OK it could be something else that occured at the same time but nobody has any suggestion. There is one contender.

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feels good and confirms your cognitive bias. (or you're caught in an ideological contagion)

Yet you happily dismiss the facts because it feels good and confirms your cognitive bias with the unsupported opinion based on you're own ideological contagion.

So you still feel safe around people with scarves and tissue paper on a string covering their mouth and nose, then.

How about those whose masks they're wearing look like the same ones they bought a year ago?

How do you feel when they cough and sneeze? Safe?

Thought experiment for Ducky:

Crowded public transport, everyone is masked. Person next to you starts coughing and sneezing.
Do you fel safe and unconcerned? Or do you get off, discard mask, handsanitise up to your elbow and swear to never get on public transport again until this whole nightmare is over. Embarrassed

Ducky, eh!

No, I'm betting that, in crowded public transport, the chances of someone coughing and sneezing into a tea towel, a tissue on a string, a mask that has been worn for months, or a scarf, are not going to make any difference than the unmasked to the safety outcome.

DNA raver is ducky. Puddle Duck Jimmy

Post after post Enfurta - all crammed full of insults and lacking in substance. It's a common theme.

OH yes I have coughed and sneezed on public transport, it happens.

I didnt name you Jim Puddle-Fruck, ducky, you did.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #532 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 4:10pm

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Another historical statement by Sweden's 🇸🇪 Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell June 2020

Dutch journalist: "What do you think of this facemask?"

Anders Tegnell: "Probably that's more a symbol than anything else"

https://twitter.com/HansKoppies/status/1620501125551255552?cxt=HHwWgMDTqYPMlv0sA...

Masks don't work why do Branch Covidians ignore the science?

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Reply #533 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 4:31pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 9:12pm:

Some of the reasons that South Africa performed well on covid.

1. Quick Action

right from the beginning, most African governments took drastic measures to try and slow the spread of the virus. (lockdowns distancing and masks)

2. Public Support

The population supported the strong action.

3. Young population

and few old-age homes

4. Favourable climate

A hot low humidity climate is the best to control the spread of covid.

5. Good community health systems

The Covid-19 pandemic came at a time when the Democratic Republic of Congo was dealing with its biggest outbreak of Ebola yet. Neighbouring states were on high alert, and the health screening of travellers for Ebola was extended to include Covid-19.

https://gdc.unicef.org/resource/coronavirus-africa-five-reasons-why-covid-19-has...

In short South Africa quickly put strict measures in place they got great support from their people they have a younger population with few aged care facilities they have a favourable climate and they already had a strong testing regime in place with a long history of dealing with communicable disease.

They still lost over 100,000 people.

Nothing happened in South Africa that supports your argument.

And only 63% were vaccinated in South Africa.

Are you saying South Africa has a more robust health system than Australia? SA provides free but low-quality health care to its citizens.

Is there nothing you won't believe to protect yourself from being terrorised by this virus?

Can you walk and fart at the same time?

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Are you saying South Africa has a more robust health system than Australia?

They have a long history of dealing with the most serious communicable diseases and the best climate for this one. (they had advantages). A younger population means that they were less susceptible.

Australia didn't have ebola testing in place on day one which means that covid testing infrastructure was already in place nor did we have the expertise to immediately move to covid testing.

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And only 63% were vaccinated in South Africa.

63% vaccinated with a younger population in a climate that covid does not like where testing was quickly online and lockdowns distancing and masks had made a big difference. They still lost a lot more people than we did.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 12514 Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #535 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 5:14pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 4:34pm: We should look at all of Africa not just one part. Yes, we should. And the correlation between low vaccination rates throughout all regions of Africa and the uniformly low rates of covid infections.
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Reply #536 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 5:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 4:34pm:

We should look at all of Africa not just one part.

I'll get the shovel for you Baron - where do you want to move the goalposts?

The same reason applicable to South Africa would pretty much apply to all of Africa. The equator goes through the centre of Africa places close to the equator are less attractive to covid. All of africa have experience with the worst communicable diseases and treat them very seriously. Unlike many western countries.

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Reply #537 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 6:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 5:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 4:34pm:

We should look at all of Africa not just one part.

I'll get the shovel for you Baron - where do you want to move the goalposts?

The same reason applicable to South Africa would pretty much apply to all of Africa. The equator goes through the centre of Africa places close to the equator are less attractive to covid. All of africa have experience with the worst communicable diseases and treat them very seriously. Unlike many western countries.

Get that shovel for yourself, jump in the hole and fill it in.

'would pretty much apply', eh! Why? Cos all dem darkee countries got same juju?

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Reply #538 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 6:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 6:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 5:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 4:34pm:

We should look at all of Africa not just one part.

I'll get the shovel for you Baron - where do you want to move the goalposts?

The same reason applicable to South Africa would pretty much apply to all of Africa. The equator goes through the centre of Africa places close to the equator are less attractive to covid. All of africa have experience with the worst communicable diseases and treat them very seriously. Unlike many western countries.

Get that shovel for yourself, jump in the hole and fill it in.

'would pretty much apply', eh! Why? Cos all dem darkee countries got same juju?

If your South Africa flexible boat had any merit a 5 minute google search would not have torn it to tiny little pieces.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #539 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 6:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 6:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 5:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 4:34pm:

We should look at all of Africa not just one part.

I'll get the shovel for you Baron - where do you want to move the goalposts?

The same reason applicable to South Africa would pretty much apply to all of Africa. The equator goes through the centre of Africa places close to the equator are less attractive to covid. All of africa have experience with the worst communicable diseases and treat them very seriously. Unlike many western countries.

Get that shovel for yourself, jump in the hole and fill it in.

'would pretty much apply', eh! Why? Cos all dem darkee countries got same juju?

If your South Africa flexible boat had any merit a 5 minute google search would not have torn it to tiny little pieces.

But it didn't tear it to pieces. Your fear of death is driving your cognitive bias, that's why you phrased your reference to all of Africa the way you did.

There's a concept you need to get used to. The world doesn't need you around to keep it turning. No society is going to humour your fear of death by obsessively acting out your faux safety fantasies.

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