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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #555 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 9:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 14^th, 2023 at 9:18pm:

We had high vax rates when restrictions were removed.

It's pretty clear the vax doesn't work as well as big pharma claimed.

If the vax worked excess deaths would have flatlined they wouldn't increase.

It could be worse than they didn't work as well as big pharma, governments, the health industry and big media claimed.

It could be that vaccines are contributing to excess deaths.

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Reply #556 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 9:27pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

I was using a clean cloth mask every day with a spare in my bag with a pack of disposables in case. Its clearly not 100% but enough to make a difference.

If it made no difference the death rate should have stayed the same - it didn't. It skyrocketed by around 400%.

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Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There’s no place for them in light of Omicron,” said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/in...

If the vax worked deaths would have declined.

Masks don't work why do people ignore the science is it because it goes against Branch Covidian beliefs?

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18418 Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #557 - Feb 23^rd, 2023 at 4:10pm Headline from NYT same as this thread. Why did it take them so long to figure it out? It wasn't that long ago you would be banned from social media along with having all the pro mask Karens getting butthurt for pointing this out.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #558 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:44pm

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Florida Surgeon General says masks are 'not saving lives'

March 4th 2022

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (WPEC) — In a press conference alongside Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday, Florida's top doctor told attendees that masks "are not saving lives" and denounced doctors and health organizations like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that still advocate for masking in some settings as a way to stop the spread of COVID.

Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo said there are no clinical trials - which he called the highest form of medical research - that definitively prove masking is effective against COVID. He called other studies, touted by the CDC as proof masking works, "shaky" and conducted with "shaky methods."

"Doctors that tell you [masks] save lives, ask them what did the two randomized clinical trials that we've done during the pandemic, what did they show?" Ladapo added.

Groups of doctors immediately decried the Surgeon General's comments, saying they were inaccurate and not scientifically sound.

https://cbs12.com/newsletter-daily/cdc-ron-desantis-covid-florida-surgeon-genera...

History shows the Florida Surgeon Generals comments were accurate and scientifically sound.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #559 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:54pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:44pm:

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Florida Surgeon General says masks are 'not saving lives'

March 4th 2022

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (WPEC) — In a press conference alongside Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday, Florida's top doctor told attendees that masks "are not saving lives" and denounced doctors and health organizations like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that still advocate for masking in some settings as a way to stop the spread of COVID.

Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo said there are no clinical trials - which he called the highest form of medical research - that definitively prove masking is effective against COVID. He called other studies, touted by the CDC as proof masking works, "shaky" and conducted with "shaky methods."

"Doctors that tell you [masks] save lives, ask them what did the two randomized clinical trials that we've done during the pandemic, what did they show?" Ladapo added.

Groups of doctors immediately decried the Surgeon General's comments, saying they were inaccurate and not scientifically sound.

https://cbs12.com/newsletter-daily/cdc-ron-desantis-covid-florida-surgeon-genera...

History shows the Florida Surgeon Generals comments were accurate and scientifically sound.

86,000 Floridians died and these idiots contributed to their result. Their current position is an average of 87 deaths a week.

The thing that the places that didn't mask all have in common is that more people died.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #560 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 6:05pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:44pm:

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Florida Surgeon General says masks are 'not saving lives'

March 4th 2022

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (WPEC) — In a press conference alongside Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday, Florida's top doctor told attendees that masks "are not saving lives" and denounced doctors and health organizations like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that still advocate for masking in some settings as a way to stop the spread of COVID.

Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo said there are no clinical trials - which he called the highest form of medical research - that definitively prove masking is effective against COVID. He called other studies, touted by the CDC as proof masking works, "shaky" and conducted with "shaky methods."

"Doctors that tell you [masks] save lives, ask them what did the two randomized clinical trials that we've done during the pandemic, what did they show?" Ladapo added.

Groups of doctors immediately decried the Surgeon General's comments, saying they were inaccurate and not scientifically sound.

https://cbs12.com/newsletter-daily/cdc-ron-desantis-covid-florida-surgeon-genera...

History shows the Florida Surgeon Generals comments were accurate and scientifically sound.

86,000 Floridians died and these idiots contributed to their result. Their current position is an average of 87 deaths a week.

The thing that the places that didn't mask all have in common is that more people died.

Old people go to Florida to retire the CDC data shows 8 out of 10 covid deaths are people over 65.

If the vax worked as promised then covid deaths would be near zero.

Masks don't work even CNN reported that cloth mask you wore is nothing more than facial decoration.

Early data which i posted here a while ago shows no difference in states with mask mandates vs those without. If masks worked (they don't) you would expect to see a significant difference.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #561 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 7:50pm

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Covid deaths are unevenly distributed among Republicans and Democrats.

Average excess death rates in Florida and Ohio were 76% higher among Republicans than Democrats from March 2020 to December 2021, according to a working paper released last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Excess deaths refers to deaths above what would be anticipated based on historical trends.

A study in June published in Health Affairs similarly found that counties with a Republican majority had a greater share of Covid deaths through October 2021, relative to majority-Democratic counties.

But experts are still puzzling over why these differences exist. Are lower vaccination rates among Republicans responsible? Or did mask use and social distancing guidelines prevent more deaths in counties run by Democrats?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-...

In the US within states more republicans died than Democrats. In republican states there were more deaths than in Democrat states.

The people least likely to wear masks - died at higher rates.

The states with the laxest regulations, locked down last and opened first also had higher death rates.

But it was all just a coincidence.

Trump could have won the 2020 election had they killed less of his supporters.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30084 Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #562 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 8:12pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2023 at 4:10pm: Headline from NYT same as this thread. Why did it take them so long to figure it out? It wasn't that long ago you would be banned from social media along with having all the pro mask Karens getting butthurt for pointing this out. Yes we learned this
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Reply #563 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 10:26pm

A December 2022 report from Latrobe University in Melbourne indicates
that wearing a mask is responsible for reducing viral infections.

N95/P2 respirators are specifically designed to a standard that prevents
95% of particles from getting through them. Cloth and surgical masks filter
out viral particles by having multiple layers - the efficiency of cloth masks
varies depending on the type and structure of the fabric.

In a community setting, without fit testing, a Californian study found people
who reported always using a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings
were 56% less likely to test positive to COVID compared with people of
the same age and gender who never wore a face mask.

There was an 83% reduction in the chance of a positive test among those who
wore a respirator, and a 66% reduction among those who wore surgical masks
compared to wearing no mask. Cloth masks were substantially less effective than
respirators or surgical masks.

A PNAS 2021 global study estimated that the observed level of mask wearing
during mask mandates corresponds to a direct decrease in secondary infection
rate of 19%, while perfect population mask wearing could lead to a decrease of
25%.

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Reply #564 - Feb 25^th, 2023 at 1:08pm

I was a bit taken back a few days ago when walking into our doctors surgery … I put on my mask before going in as it’s been a strict policy since lockdown to wear a mask.

Went up to the reception… none of them wearing a mask… I looked around at waiting too … only a couple wearing masks and the rest were not.
I looked for the sign about wearing a mask and it was taken down.

So I ripped mine off …. How nice to be able to lip read again

Seems an ending to this pandemics mask requirement. I don’t know about hospitals but last month when we went in it was required to wear.

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Reply #565 - Feb 25^th, 2023 at 1:38pm

https://twitter.com/ColinKinner/status/1629252611596754944

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It’s hard to believe that as a society we’ve allowed COVID to become the no.3 cause of death without batting an eyelid. Most Australians are oblivious to the risk, and taking zero precautions against getting infected. Massive public health communication fail.

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Prof Kathy Eagar
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Replying to @k_eagar and @CrabbBrendan
The top 3 causes of death in Australia are now (in order):

1.heart disease,

2.dementia

3.COVID

No one should be deceived into thinking that COVID is a mild disease

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Prof Brendan Crabb AC
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@ColinKinner
Yes it is a massive communication fail.

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Yes mask wearing should be as normalised as putting sunscreen or a hat on. They completely failed and show no signs of even beginning the process to rectify the poor attitude towards covid mitigations

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Reply #566 - Mar 12^th, 2023 at 11:04am

What is Masklophobia?

In this article

What is Masklophobia?
How common is masklophobia?
Who is at risk of masklophobia?
How to deal with masklophobia
What triggers masklophobia?
What are the symptoms of masklophobia?
What causes masklophobia?
How is masklophobia diagnosed?
How is masklophobia treated?

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Masklophobia, an extreme and overwhelming fear of masks and costumes, is a relatively unknown phobia that mainly affects children, although it can also occur in adults.

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Masklophobia, also commonly referred to as maskaphobia, is an extreme and overwhelming fear of masks and costumes. Masklophobia is an extremely individualised phobia, in that it manifests differently in different people. Some people are afraid of all masks, costumed clothing, costume characters and mascots, whereas other people’s phobia of masks is centralised on a specific type of mask, such as horror masks, religious masks, masquerade masks or medical face masks.

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An individual with masklophobia will likely experience intense, overwhelming and irrational fear, anxiety or panic when faced with masks or costumes. They may also implement avoidance behaviours, whereby they avoid certain places or situations to reduce the risk of them encountering masks or costumes.

But, don't despair - help is available.

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There are multiple treatment options available for masklophobia. However, not every person with a phobia requires treatment. If your symptoms are mild, you have implemented successful coping strategies or your phobia doesn’t impact your day-to-day life or wellbeing, you may not require formal treatment.

However, if the symptoms of your phobia occur frequently or are severe, if your phobia results in avoidance behaviours or it is impacting on your daily life, treatment will likely be recommended.

Your psychologist will work with you to create a personalised treatment plan based on what is most likely to effectively treat your phobia.

I must print this out and show it to a few people I know.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #567 - Mar 12^th, 2023 at 1:50pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:44pm:

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Florida Surgeon General says masks are 'not saving lives'

March 4th 2022

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (WPEC) — In a press conference alongside Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday, Florida's top doctor told attendees that masks "are not saving lives" and denounced doctors and health organizations like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that still advocate for masking in some settings as a way to stop the spread of COVID.

Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo said there are no clinical trials - which he called the highest form of medical research - that definitively prove masking is effective against COVID. He called other studies, touted by the CDC as proof masking works, "shaky" and conducted with "shaky methods."

"Doctors that tell you [masks] save lives, ask them what did the two randomized clinical trials that we've done during the pandemic, what did they show?" Ladapo added.

Groups of doctors immediately decried the Surgeon General's comments, saying they were inaccurate and not scientifically sound.

https://cbs12.com/newsletter-daily/cdc-ron-desantis-covid-florida-surgeon-genera...

History shows the Florida Surgeon Generals comments were accurate and scientifically sound.

86,000 Floridians died and these idiots contributed to their result. Their current position is an average of 87 deaths a week.

The thing that the places that didn't mask all have in common is that more people died.

How does a paper mask stop transmission of a virus ?? Cheesy

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Carl D Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9450 Rivervale, Perth Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #568 - Mar 12^th, 2023 at 1:56pm Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 1:50pm: How does a paper mask stop transmission of a virus ?? LOL Not this AGAIN? Right now it's a toss up between you and aquascoot as to which of you has the shorter attention span. I'll give you a clue (again): DON'T WEAR A PAPER MASK.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #569 - Mar 12^th, 2023 at 2:03pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 1:50pm:

How does a paper mask stop transmission of a virus ?? Cheesy

LOL

How well do face masks protect against COVID-19?

Mayo Clinic

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Can face masks help slow the spread of the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)? Yes. Face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as getting vaccinated, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help slow the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19.

I'm sure I'll be posting this again within a week - possibly within a matter of days for some people here. Roll Eyes

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