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Reply #600 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:44pm

The only place that I recall that required people to wear masks after the mandate was dropped was The Chemist Warehouse. I walked up to the door and saw the sign. Thought "okay", and walked back to my car to retrieve my work face mask.

It would have been a nightmare for me if we had to wear masks during the summer. But, with winter coming up, mandating masks again might keep us a bit warmer.

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Reply #601 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:44pm:

The only place that I recall that required people to wear masks after the mandate was dropped was The Chemist Warehouse. I walked up to the door and saw the sign. Thought "okay", and walked back to my car to retrieve my work face mask.

It would have been a nightmare for me if we had to wear masks during the summer. But, with winter coming up, mandating masks again might keep us a bit warmer.

And living.

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Reply #602 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:00pm

Carl D wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Dr Noor Bari:

https://twitter.com/NjbBari3/status/1638010968696557568

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It’s a world record folks!

One hospital dropped its mask mandates in Australia and reinstated them FIVE HOURS LATER!

Congratulations to managers for realising what a monster mistake that was.

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Whoever you are that turned that oil tanker on a dime, I take my hat off to you.

You are now the deity all managers should aspire to.

I don’t think policy change has ever occurred on any policy that fast ever!

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I’m serious. I’ve sat in meetings that are longer than that… 😂

Now we just need the rest of Australia's hospitals and all healthcare settings to do the same.

Dr Bari couldn't say where it was but Dr Berger found out and doesn't mind or care about sharing the information:

https://twitter.com/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1638024170427613185

Monash Health

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Today, 08.45 Email 1: "Not much COVID about, masks OFF for visitors!"

Followed by (5 hours and 4 minutes later):

https://twitter.com/YouAreLobbyLud/status/1638024174554808320

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Today, 13.49 Email 2: "S**t, actually, sorry there's quite a lot of COVID about. Masks stay ON for visitors!"

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** Repeat Covid infections exercise our immune system in the same way that repeat concussions exercise our brain **

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #603 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 6:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:44pm:

The only place that I recall that required people to wear masks after the mandate was dropped was The Chemist Warehouse. I walked up to the door and saw the sign. Thought "okay", and walked back to my car to retrieve my work face mask.

It would have been a nightmare for me if we had to wear masks during the summer. But, with winter coming up, mandating masks again might keep us a bit warmer.

And living.

Maybe for the elderly around us. But, us who catch those asymptomatic covids will only see that the masks do nothing more than keep our face warm during the winter.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #604 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 6:54pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 6:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:44pm:

The only place that I recall that required people to wear masks after the mandate was dropped was The Chemist Warehouse. I walked up to the door and saw the sign. Thought "okay", and walked back to my car to retrieve my work face mask.

It would have been a nightmare for me if we had to wear masks during the summer. But, with winter coming up, mandating masks again might keep us a bit warmer.

And living.

Maybe for the elderly around us. But, us who catch those asymptomatic covids will only see that the masks do nothing more than keep our face warm during the winter.

Yet when we took off the masks the death rate from covid increased by about 400%. Huge coincidence.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #605 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 7:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 6:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 6:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:44pm:

The only place that I recall that required people to wear masks after the mandate was dropped was The Chemist Warehouse. I walked up to the door and saw the sign. Thought "okay", and walked back to my car to retrieve my work face mask.

It would have been a nightmare for me if we had to wear masks during the summer. But, with winter coming up, mandating masks again might keep us a bit warmer.

And living.

Maybe for the elderly around us. But, us who catch those asymptomatic covids will only see that the masks do nothing more than keep our face warm during the winter.

Yet when we took off the masks the death rate from covid increased by about 400%. Huge coincidence.

I think you would find that opening the borders to international visitors did the increase in covid cases. You could have had people wearing masks and washing their hands every hour. It would not stop covid being spread among the population. Both measures would help mitigate the likelihood of spreading infection. But, it takes the quarantining of people to keep the spread of infection at bay.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #606 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 8:22pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 6:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 6:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 4:44pm:

The only place that I recall that required people to wear masks after the mandate was dropped was The Chemist Warehouse. I walked up to the door and saw the sign. Thought "okay", and walked back to my car to retrieve my work face mask.

It would have been a nightmare for me if we had to wear masks during the summer. But, with winter coming up, mandating masks again might keep us a bit warmer.

And living.

Maybe for the elderly around us. But, us who catch those asymptomatic covids will only see that the masks do nothing more than keep our face warm during the winter.

Yet when we took off the masks the death rate from covid increased by about 400%. Huge coincidence.

I think you would find that opening the borders to international visitors did the increase in covid cases. You could have had people wearing masks and washing their hands every hour. It would not stop covid being spread among the population. Both measures would help mitigate the likelihood of spreading infection. But, it takes the quarantining of people to keep the spread of infection at bay.

The restrictions were lifted in December. The international border restrictions were lifted in February. There were record numbers of deaths in January. In December the number of deaths was between about 8 and 20 per day by Late January there were days over 100.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

Total deaths in Dec 2022 was at 2,300 when the restrictions were lifted - Today the total is close enough to 20,000.

That is 2,300 deaths in the first 2 years and close to 18,000 in the 15 months since.

About a 9X increase in around 60% of the time.

The trend commenced before international flights were resumed. No doubt that this didn't help but it isn't apparent on the graph.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Online Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24857 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #607 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 8:33pm I can't be bothered doing the research on when travel restrictions were lifted. Years 2021 and 2022 were mashed together, from my perspective. I just know that covid cases rose in my town in 2021, long after international travel resumed. And we basically have few cases around town since December last year.
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #608 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 9:12pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 8:33pm:

I can't be bothered doing the research on when travel restrictions were lifted. Years 2021 and 2022 were mashed together, from my perspective. I just know that covid cases rose in my town in 2021, long after international travel resumed. And we basically have few cases around town since December last year.

Full International travel resumed in Feb 2022. There was limited return of Australians and approved business travel before that. Stupid Australians did bring covid back with them.

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'Welcome back world!': Australia fully reopens borders after two years

SYDNEY, Feb 21 2022 (Reuters) - Australia on Monday fully reopened its international borders to travellers vaccinated against the coronavirus after nearly two years of pandemic-related closings as tourists returned and hundreds of people were reunited with family and friends.

More than 50 international flights will reach the country through the day, including 27 touching down in Sydney, its largest city, as the tourism and hospitality sectors look to rebuild after getting hammered by COVID-19 restrictions.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-fully-reopens-borders-shut-...

Note: this means that international flights are not the answer. It does not confirm that it was mask removal in fact it is unlikely that it was this alone. However in terms of narrowing it down the contenders are being whittled away.

Also Note: the red lines are approximate, I cannot draw well in basic editing tools.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Online Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24857 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #609 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 9:27pm Restrictions ended, as in the public were no longer in lockdown... AND they were no longer wearing masks?
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #610 - Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 4:24am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:15am:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 2:45am:

As of 8 March 2023, 65.1 million vaccine doses have been administered in Australia, with only 14 deaths attributed to the COVID vaccine.

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The apparently low 4th vaccination figure is simply because ATAGI only
recommended this booster dose for all adults aged 65 years or older,
earlier this year.

so everyone under 65 doesn't need a 4th dose according to atagi.

As things stand at the moment, yes, that's correct.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:15am:

seems like it is atagi as well as the public that have lost faith in the vaccine

No, it has nothing to do with ATAGI and/or the public "losing faith".

It's a clinically-based decision made largely on the premise that the
elderly, 65+, often have reduced immunosuppression. All the data points
to younger people with more vigorous immunosuppression being far
less impacted by the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

We've just had our fifth (booster) dose of Pfizer, with no side effects at
all. She's 72 yrs and I'm 76 yrs.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #611 - Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 4:24am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:15am:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 2:45am:

As of 8 March 2023, 65.1 million vaccine doses have been administered in Australia, with only 14 deaths attributed to the COVID vaccine.

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The apparently low 4th vaccination figure is simply because ATAGI only
recommended this booster dose for all adults aged 65 years or older,
earlier this year.

so everyone under 65 doesn't need a 4th dose according to atagi.

As things stand at the moment, yes, that's correct.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:15am:

seems like it is atagi as well as the public that have lost faith in the vaccine

No, it has nothing to do with ATAGI and/or the public "losing faith".

It's a clinically-based decision made largely on the premise that the
elderly, 65+, often have reduced immunosuppression. All the data points
to younger people with more vigorous immunosuppression being far
less impacted by the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

We've just had our fifth (booster) dose of Pfizer, with no side effects at
all. She's 72 yrs and I'm 76 yrs.

its time to stop defining a healthy 76 yo as someone who has enough vaccine floating around in their blood.

eat real food
hit the gym
do balance exercises

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #612 - Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 5:50am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 4:24am:

...We've just had our fifth (booster) dose of Pfizer, with no side effects at
all. She's 72 yrs and I'm 76 yrs.

it's time to stop defining a healthy 76 yo as someone who has enough vaccine floating around in their blood.

I don't define a 78-year-old as "healthy" based on that single criterion.
And I agree totally with a regime like this:

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eat real food
hit the gym
do balance exercises

aquascoot wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 5:18am:

Attia is only 50 years of age, so has a 26 year advantage health-wise
over me. Having said that of course, at age fifty I too was a lot more
health conscious and fitter than I am now. And I still have a full head
of healthy hair too LOL.

Attia calls himself "The Longevity Doctor" and just like health gurus
Dr Oz and Dr Phil has discovered the easier way to make big dollars
—rather than spending 22 hours in an operating theatre every second
day or night.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #613 - Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 8:33am

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 4:24am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:15am:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 2:45am:

As of 8 March 2023, 65.1 million vaccine doses have been administered in Australia, with only 14 deaths attributed to the COVID vaccine.

...

The apparently low 4th vaccination figure is simply because ATAGI only
recommended this booster dose for all adults aged 65 years or older,
earlier this year.

so everyone under 65 doesn't need a 4th dose according to atagi.

As things stand at the moment, yes, that's correct.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:15am:

seems like it is atagi as well as the public that have lost faith in the vaccine

No, it has nothing to do with ATAGI and/or the public "losing faith".

It's a clinically-based decision made largely on the premise that the
elderly, 65+, often have reduced immunosuppression. All the data points
to younger people with more vigorous immunosuppression being far
less impacted by the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

We've just had our fifth (booster) dose of Pfizer, with no side effects at
all. She's 72 yrs and I'm 76 yrs.

you get paid to write this crap do you geoff ??

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104273 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #614 - Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 8:39am
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