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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18418 Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #90 - May 11^th, 2022 at 11:07pm .
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Reply #91 - May 17^th, 2022 at 11:57pm

Saw on news tonight it’s recommended to wear masks … in public, transport etc because the flu is on the rise.
Well… I don’t mind wearing a mask in public…. It may offer a little protection and wether or not I still have antibodies from my covid episode in January… I will still seek to make use of all those pretty masks I bought.

Hopefully I won’t catch the flu …. Strange things is… I would always catch it every year! Like an old friend coming to visit me Roll Eyes

Yet… 2020 and 2021 no flu at all.
Of course lockdowns, masks, sanitizers, social distancing etc may have helped.
It will be interesting to see this year … winter months barely started … yet today felt very icy outside!
In the car I have a tube of hand sanitizer and spare masks in glove box.
Has become “must haves” when travelling.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14180 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #92 - May 18^th, 2022 at 8:08am NSW Health have NEVER said "you can't catch COVID19 outside" - as a number of conspiracy theorists have lied to all about Only that the likelihood is lower, which no one is disputing Quote: NSW Health @NSWHealth "You’re less likely to catch COVID-19 outdoors" .
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Reply #93 - May 18^th, 2022 at 10:46pm

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Mask Mandates Didn’t Make Much of a Difference Anyway

States across the U.S. have dropped their mask mandates this week, worrying Americans who think they’re still needed and cheering people who are ready to go “back to normal.” Both groups need to take a deep breath: Dropping mask mandates isn’t the same thing as ignoring Covid-19.

Masks have been the most visible part of America’s pandemic response, but one of the least consequential. The fact that 500,000 people worldwide died during the omicron surge means it’s time to change tactics, and focus on what went wrong that led to so many hospitalizations and deaths.

But there’s no avoiding it: The benefits of universal masking have been difficult to quantify. One controlled study in Bangladesh showed a small but statistically significant benefit — among people who consistently used masks, 7.6% got symptomatic infections compared to 8.6% in the control group. Other studies have been inconclusive.

It is intuitive that a barrier ought to prevent germs from being emitted into the air. But if that’s true, why isn’t there more evidence for the benefits of masking two years into the pandemic?

Experts associated with The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota have laid out a more complex analysis: Given the current understanding that the virus is transmitted in fine aerosol particles, it’s likely an infectious dose could easily get through and around loose-fitting cloth or surgical masks.

Rhode Island, where I live, has had a mask mandate since mid-December; nonetheless, we saw our January surge rise far higher than any other state.

There’s little evidence that mask mandates are the primary reason the pandemic waves eventually fall — though much of the outrage over lifting mandates is based on that assumption. Many experts acknowledge that the rise and fall of waves is a bit of a mystery, as epidemiologist Sam Scarpino explained to me on my podcast.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/mask-mandates-didnt-make-much-of-a-diffe...

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #94 - May 19^th, 2022 at 7:47am

It has CLEARLY been established that neither
NSW Health
- or
The White House
- have EVER claimed it "impossible" to pick up a COVID19 infection "outside"

Only that it is a
lower risk
than inside

(no one would dispute THAT

One can't help get a little sense of "smug"
- when a
"meme bombardment"
starts rolling out as
"evidence"
from the
conspiracy theory propaganda machine

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #95 - May 20^th, 2022 at 8:16am

Lisa Jones wrote on May 11^th, 2022 at 10:22am:

I'm a Conservative who identifies as having been vaccinated.

I've always been BEWILDERED how (particularly in Australia)
matters like climate change, COVID19 and human rights have a
left
vs
right
argument ?

Those from
Camp Right
may be surprised to learn that
Margaret Thatcher
was one of the first world leaders to (try to)
alert the world to climate change

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-green...

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Reply #96 - May 21^st, 2022 at 5:50am

Sophia wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 11:57pm:

Saw on news tonight it’s recommended to wear masks … in public, transport etc because the flu is on the rise.
Well… I don’t mind wearing a mask in public…. It may offer a little protection and wether or not I still have antibodies from my covid episode in January… I will still seek to make use of all those pretty masks I bought.

Hopefully I won’t catch the flu …. Strange things is… I would always catch it every year! Like an old friend coming to visit me Roll Eyes

Yet… 2020 and 2021 no flu at all.
Of course lockdowns, masks, sanitizers, social distancing etc may have helped.
It will be interesting to see this year … winter months barely started … yet today felt very icy outside!
In the car I have a tube of hand sanitizer and spare masks in glove box.
Has become “must haves” when travelling.

Masks don’t work against viruses 🦠 - PERIOD… the virus would be approx 100 times smaller than the smallest hole in your mask let alone gaps all around the edges..

As DeSantis in Florida said - Masks are only for Thearter…

So, without the masks, TV and wireless - would you even know that there was a “so called” pandemic? …. I wouldn’t ..

And i would also not be using hand chemicals - this obsession about sterilising everything with poisons has to stop as…

Most of our sicknesses have come from our households full of chemicals that we wipe on everything …

This is my advice only.. you do not have to take it…

Btw lols - did you know that in 1918 Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic???

The pneumonia was caused when bacteria that normally inhabit the nose and throat invaded the lungs…

So how did this bacteria 🦠 get into the lungs???

Back in 1918 they did the “exact” same thing they are doing now - they forced everyone to wear masks which catch the bacteria and then you rebreathe it…

Masks are nothing but filthy disgusting disease carrying pieces of cloth…

They killed 10 of thousands back in 1918/19 and then 100 years later they are killing people now.. in fact… they say over 50 Million people died back then

Its the same “Plan”

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #97 - May 21^st, 2022 at 6:11am

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:50am:

Sophia wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 11:57pm:

Saw on news tonight it’s recommended to wear masks … in public, transport etc because the flu is on the rise.
Well… I don’t mind wearing a mask in public…. It may offer a little protection and wether or not I still have antibodies from my covid episode in January… I will still seek to make use of all those pretty masks I bought.

Hopefully I won’t catch the flu …. Strange things is… I would always catch it every year! Like an old friend coming to visit me Roll Eyes

Yet… 2020 and 2021 no flu at all.
Of course lockdowns, masks, sanitizers, social distancing etc may have helped.
It will be interesting to see this year … winter months barely started … yet today felt very icy outside!
In the car I have a tube of hand sanitizer and spare masks in glove box.
Has become “must haves” when travelling.

Masks don’t work against viruses 🦠 - PERIOD…

Incorrect.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #98 - May 21^st, 2022 at 8:56am Who the hell is Serial Brain9?
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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #99 - May 21^st, 2022 at 9:00am

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:50am:

Masks don’t work against viruses 🦠 - PERIOD… the virus would be approx 100 times smaller than the smallest hole in your mask let alone gaps all around the edges..

The holes in face masks don’t mean they’re useless

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Also, as explained in The Conversation by epidemiologists from McMaster University, Leiden University and the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm, “at this microscopic level, the thread has thickness, or depth, so the gap is more a tunnel than a window. Microfilaments from broken or irregular threads project into the gap.”

In other words, even if there are relatively large gaps in mask fabric, that’s not to say a particle is guaranteed to move unimpeded through that gap. It would need to be travelling at an angle so as to not impact with the material, and avoid any stray threads which go some way to filling in the gaps in the fabric weave.

Also, a properly fitted mask shouldn't have gaps around the edges.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74452 Gender:	Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything Reply #100 - May 21^st, 2022 at 9:32am Baronvonrort wrote on May 11^th, 2022 at 11:07pm: . no worse than people who wear masks when they're sitting in their own cars on the own
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Reply #101 - May 21^st, 2022 at 9:33am

Carl D wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 9:00am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:50am:

Masks don’t work against viruses 🦠 - PERIOD… the virus would be approx 100 times smaller than the smallest hole in your mask let alone gaps all around the edges..

The holes in face masks don’t mean they’re useless

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Also, as explained in The Conversation by epidemiologists from McMaster University, Leiden University and the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm, “at this microscopic level, the thread has thickness, or depth, so the gap is more a tunnel than a window. Microfilaments from broken or irregular threads project into the gap.”

In other words, even if there are relatively large gaps in mask fabric, that’s not to say a particle is guaranteed to move unimpeded through that gap. It would need to be travelling at an angle so as to not impact with the material, and avoid any stray threads which go some way to filling in the gaps in the fabric weave.

Also, a properly fitted mask shouldn't have gaps around the edges.

So you're arguing that some protection is better than nothing. Yes?

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Reply #102 - May 21^st, 2022 at 9:46am

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:50am:

Sophia wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 11:57pm:

Saw on news tonight it’s recommended to wear masks … in public, transport etc because the flu is on the rise.
Well… I don’t mind wearing a mask in public…. It may offer a little protection and wether or not I still have antibodies from my covid episode in January… I will still seek to make use of all those pretty masks I bought.

Hopefully I won’t catch the flu …. Strange things is… I would always catch it every year! Like an old friend coming to visit me Roll Eyes

Yet… 2020 and 2021 no flu at all.
Of course lockdowns, masks, sanitizers, social distancing etc may have helped.
It will be interesting to see this year … winter months barely started … yet today felt very icy outside!
In the car I have a tube of hand sanitizer and spare masks in glove box.
Has become “must haves” when travelling.

Masks don’t work against viruses 🦠 - PERIOD… the virus would be approx 100 times smaller than the smallest hole in your mask ...

Lol

The virus hitches a ride in bodily fluids, and the masks do a very good job of stopping those liquid droplets.

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Reply #103 - May 21^st, 2022 at 9:48am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 9:46am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:50am:

Sophia wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 11:57pm:

Saw on news tonight it’s recommended to wear masks … in public, transport etc because the flu is on the rise.
Well… I don’t mind wearing a mask in public…. It may offer a little protection and wether or not I still have antibodies from my covid episode in January… I will still seek to make use of all those pretty masks I bought.

Hopefully I won’t catch the flu …. Strange things is… I would always catch it every year! Like an old friend coming to visit me Roll Eyes

Yet… 2020 and 2021 no flu at all.
Of course lockdowns, masks, sanitizers, social distancing etc may have helped.
It will be interesting to see this year … winter months barely started … yet today felt very icy outside!
In the car I have a tube of hand sanitizer and spare masks in glove box.
Has become “must haves” when travelling.

Masks don’t work against viruses 🦠 - PERIOD… the virus would be approx 100 times smaller than the smallest hole in your mask ...

Lol

The virus hitches a ride in bodily fluids, and the masks do a very good job of stopping those liquid droplets.

They might do a good job but it's not 100% ...is the argument.

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Reply #104 - May 21^st, 2022 at 9:52am

Lisa Jones wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 9:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 9:46am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:50am:

Sophia wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 11:57pm:

Saw on news tonight it’s recommended to wear masks … in public, transport etc because the flu is on the rise.
Well… I don’t mind wearing a mask in public…. It may offer a little protection and wether or not I still have antibodies from my covid episode in January… I will still seek to make use of all those pretty masks I bought.

Hopefully I won’t catch the flu …. Strange things is… I would always catch it every year! Like an old friend coming to visit me Roll Eyes

Yet… 2020 and 2021 no flu at all.
Of course lockdowns, masks, sanitizers, social distancing etc may have helped.
It will be interesting to see this year … winter months barely started … yet today felt very icy outside!
In the car I have a tube of hand sanitizer and spare masks in glove box.
Has become “must haves” when travelling.

Masks don’t work against viruses 🦠 - PERIOD… the virus would be approx 100 times smaller than the smallest hole in your mask ...

Lol

The virus hitches a ride in bodily fluids, and the masks do a very good job of stopping those liquid droplets.

They might do a good job but it's not 100% ...is the argument.

Correct.

Not 100% effective at all.

Neither are seatbelts - hundreds of people around the world die in automobile accidents every day, even though they were wearing seatbelts.

I still put mine on every time I get into a vehicle though.

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