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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11754 Gender:	Re: UN approves requiring states to justify veto. Reply #105 - May 8^th, 2022 at 3:31pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:26pm: In my book, education is a better approach to Islamic terrorism than eradication of the offending Islamist ideologues in war, US style. Educate them to death, eh! Good for organ harvesting.
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Reply #106 - May 8^th, 2022 at 3:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:26pm:

In my book, education is a better approach to Islamic terrorism than eradication of the offending Islamist ideologues in war, US style.

Educate them to death, eh!

No, educate them to live.

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Good for organ harvesting.

You mean like people living in poverty forced to sell kidneys to rich people? Happens everywhere.

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Reply #107 - May 8^th, 2022 at 4:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:26pm:

In my book, education is a better approach to Islamic terrorism than eradication of the offending Islamist ideologues in war, US style.

Educate them to death, eh!

No, educate them to live.

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Good for organ harvesting.

You mean like people living in poverty forced to sell kidneys to rich people? Happens everywhere.

Whataboutism (again).

People living in poverty choosing to sell a kidney to live is not the same as having your organs forcibly removed by state authority while still alive.

'Common prosperity' CCP-style?

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Reply #108 - May 8^th, 2022 at 6:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 1:36pm:

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 12:00pm:

My job is to expose the delusional, instinct-based nature of the West's "freedom"/'individual rights" ideology, and its disastrous consequences for collective well-being in the world.

To call this moronic is to talk it up.

Not a promising start, but let's read on...

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What makes up a 'collective' of human beings?

A group, from the local to the global. And the natural (instinctive) competitive self-interest of individuals within the group - local or global (the collective) - requires rule of law to adjudicate between those self-interests (aka national sovereignty, at the global level).

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And can there be a 'collective wellbeing' without the wellbeing of the... er.... individuals who make up any group, collective, society.

There most certainly can be: individual billionaires co-exist in a sea of collective poverty, in many nations.

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How can you have 'collective wellbeing' without individual rights and freedoms?

By instituting functional government which establishes 'common prosperity'.

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It is totally moronic, totally off the wall Bbwianesquely moronic to put individual freedom and rights AGAINST the freedom and rights of a group of individuals, as if the two things were antithetical.

Rights of individuals are delusional and do not exist in the natural world. Only desires of individuals - for freedom and "rights" - exist.

So, the collective well-being of the group of individuals with their own desires, can only be achieved by functional government with that goal.

Collective well-being doesn't exist in the natural world. Governments do not exist in the natural world. Bbwianesque morons abound in the natural world and you are one.

You are employing psittacism - you repeat crap, regardless.

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Reply #109 - May 8^th, 2022 at 7:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:26pm:

In my book, education is a better approach to Islamic terrorism than eradication of the offending Islamist ideologues in war, US style.

Educate them to death, eh!

No, educate them to live.

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Good for organ harvesting.

You mean like people living in poverty forced to sell kidneys to rich people? Happens everywhere.

So..... what happened to 'common prosperity under CCP", then?

If you have to sell your kidney in china, Africa, US - what's the positive about CCP??

You ARE truly a complete idiot.

Bbwianesque - you say something and it proves you are a complete idiot. You just CANNOT say anything intelligent. You try but it's always a confirmation of your stupidity.

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Reply #110 - May 9^th, 2022 at 11:51am

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

Whataboutism (again).

Says he whose mirror cracked into a 1000 pieces ages ago, when he last looked at it....

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People living in poverty choosing to sell a kidney to live is not the same as having your organs forcibly removed by state authority while still alive.

BS. There is no "choice" in either case.

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'Common prosperity' CCP-style?

Like the style of aboriginals drinking themselves to death on a Broome beach, surrounded by broken grog bottles, in a most egregious example of state genocide in a "first world" country.

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Reply #111 - May 9^th, 2022 at 12:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 11:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

Whataboutism (again).

Says he whose mirror cracked into a 1000 pieces ages ago, when he last looked at it....

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People living in poverty choosing to sell a kidney to live is not the same as having your organs forcibly removed by state authority while still alive.

BS. There is no "choice" in either case.

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'Common prosperity' CCP-style?

Like the style of aboriginals drinking themselves to death on a Broome beach, surrounded by broken grog bottles, in a most egregious example of state genocide in a "first world" country.

More endless whataboutism.

So you agree with me.

But at the end of it, you're no less a prostitute.

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Reply #112 - May 9^th, 2022 at 12:04pm

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 6:16pm:

Collective well-being doesn't exist in the natural world.

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Good to see you make a correct statement, at least occasionally.

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Governments do not exist in the natural world.

Blimey, 2 correct statements in a row...remarkable.

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Bbwianesque morons abound in the natural world and you are one.

The point is "natural individual rights" don't exist in the natural world, either.

Which is why men make laws, to bring some order to the chaos of the survival of the fittest predation of the natural world.

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You are employing psittacism - you repeat crap, regardless.

Interesting word, but it won't save you from having to confront the awful truth about the murderous nature of your delusional "freedom"/'natural individual rights' ideology .....which is why the international community hasn't outlawed war yet.

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Reply #113 - May 9^th, 2022 at 2:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 12:04pm:

The point is "natural individual rights" don't exist in the natural world, either. Which is why men make laws, to bring some order to the chaos of the survival of the fittest predation of the natural world.

the supreme leadership of thd CCP and it's great helmsman Xi Ping Pong do not exist in nature. Common prosperity under the leadership of the CCP and Xi do not exist in nature.

Predations and loss of liberty do exist under the CCP and Xi, as do corruption, oppression, incompetence, ideological bastardy etc. UNCHECKED, as a matter of CCP policy, in fact.

Any country called a 'People's Republic" is guaranteed to be anything but the people's republic. They are oppressive ideological dictatorship under the heel of Marxist-Leninist gangsters and their servile eunuchs. China is a supreme illustration of that.

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Reply #115 - May 9^th, 2022 at 3:06pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:26pm:

In my book, education is a better approach to Islamic terrorism than eradication of the offending Islamist ideologues in war, US style.

Educate them to death, eh!

No, educate them to live.

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Good for organ harvesting.

You mean like people living in poverty forced to sell kidneys to rich people? Happens everywhere.

Doesn't happen here in Western Sydney, Great, but we're working on it.

We just need the Ethics Committee to sign off on it and we'll be away.

You?

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Reply #116 - May 9^th, 2022 at 3:10pm

Frank wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 7:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 3:26pm:

In my book, education is a better approach to Islamic terrorism than eradication of the offending Islamist ideologues in war, US style.

Educate them to death, eh!

No, educate them to live.

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Good for organ harvesting.

You mean like people living in poverty forced to sell kidneys to rich people? Happens everywhere.

So..... what happened to 'common prosperity under CCP", then?

If you have to sell your kidney in china, Africa, US - what's the positive about CCP??

Sorry, you're right, old boy. Ours have to travel to China to sell their kidneys, but that doesn't mean we're not free to donate them to rich people.

Happens all the time, no?

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Reply #117 - May 9^th, 2022 at 3:27pm

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 2:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 12:04pm:

The point is "natural individual rights" don't exist in the natural world, either. Which is why men make laws, to bring some order to the chaos of the survival of the fittest predation of the natural world.

the supreme leadership of thd CCP and it's great helmsman Xi Ping Pong do not exist in nature.

It's interesting how you sometimes begin with a correct statement, but soon go off the rails....

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Common prosperity under the leadership of the CCP and Xi do not exist in nature.

That is a confused statement: common prosperity is a goal of the CCP, unlike cynical individual freedom Western leaders who say its impossible.

But indeed common prosperity does not exist in nature.

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Predations and loss of liberty do exist under the CCP and Xi, as do corruption, oppression, incompetence, ideological bastardy etc. UNCHECKED, as a matter of CCP policy, in fact.

Now you have resorted to ideological nonsense, based on your delusional "freedom" ideology, re "loss of liberty", when of course collective well-being requires some regulation of the personal liberty of instinctively greedy individuals.
I already explained your confusion re collective and individuals: the collective is composed of individuals with widely differing capacities to successfully compete in life.

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Any country called a 'People's Republic" is guaranteed to be anything but the people's republic.

The name suggests the desired goal, as opposed to "Republic of Greedy Rent-seekers" (which China is currently addressing, with its "houses are for living in" corrective).

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They are oppressive ideological dictatorship under the heel of Marxist-Leninist gangsters and their servile eunuchs. China is a supreme illustration of that.

Ideological narrative from a delusional "freedom" ideologue. Your democracy has too many severe problems of its own to worry about the CCP.

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Reply #118 - May 9^th, 2022 at 3:36pm

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 3:10pm:

Sorry, you're right, old boy. Ours have to travel to China to sell their kidneys, but that doesn't mean we're not free to donate them to rich people.

Happens all the time, no?

Oz is a rich country....though content with state genocide (see aborigines drinking themselves to death on Broome beaches, surrounded by broken plonk bottles).

Rich countries, like rich individuals, have many more choices.

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Reply #119 - May 9^th, 2022 at 3:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 3:27pm: