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Reply #120 - May 9^th, 2022 at 3:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 3:10pm:

Sorry, you're right, old boy. Ours have to travel to China to sell their kidneys, but that doesn't mean we're not free to donate them to rich people.

Happens all the time, no?

Oz is a rich country....though content with state genocide (see aborigines drinking themselves to death on Broome beaches, surrounded by broken plonk bottles).

Rich countries, like rich individuals, have many more choices.

The CCP has murdered 100 million of its own people; and counting.

As for people drinking themselves to death; alcoholism is rife throughout China. Most Chinese have little to live for.

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Reply #121 - May 9^th, 2022 at 3:58pm

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 3:40pm:

The peoples of western liberal democracies are far, far more cooperative, friendly and helpful than the people under the heel of the CCP gangsters.

The reports of nightly police pursuits of out-of-control youth in stolen cars would suggest otherwise.

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The peoples of Western liberal democracies INVENTED free and voluntary cooperation,

....free to own slaves....

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came together to build civil societies free from government ukaze.

rather, to free themselves from arbitrary rule by 'divine right of kings'.

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In China and other 'people's republics' on the other hand, everything is organised and overseen by the Communist Party and no spontaneous civil society exists or is allowed to exist.

Well you have conflated the time of Western invention of liberal democracies in the 18th century, with the current one-party meritocracy in China; the two system have advantages and disadvantages.

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The alpha and omega of everything is the supremacy of the CCP. It's the commie version of the absolutism of the Sun King: 'l'etat, c'est moi".

Except the goal of the CCP is achievement of common prosperity, the Sun King only had to look to his own aggrandizement.

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Reply #122 - May 9^th, 2022 at 4:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 3:58pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 3:40pm:

The peoples of western liberal democracies are far, far more cooperative, friendly and helpful than the people under the heel of the CCP gangsters.

The reports of nightly police pursuits of out-of-control youth in stolen cars would suggest otherwise.

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The peoples of Western liberal democracies INVENTED free and voluntary cooperation,

....free to own slaves....

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came together to build civil societies free from government ukaze.

rather, to free themselves from arbitrary rule by 'divine right of kings'.

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In China and other 'people's republics' on the other hand, everything is organised and overseen by the Communist Party and no spontaneous civil society exists or is allowed to exist.

Well you have conflated the time of Western invention of liberal democracies in the 18th century, with the current one-party meritocracy in China; the two system have advantages and disadvantages.

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The alpha and omega of everything is the supremacy of the CCP. It's the commie version of the absolutism of the Sun King: 'l'etat, c'est moi".

Except the goal of the CCP is achievement of common prosperity, the Sun King only had to look to his own aggrandizement.

Bbwianesque psittacism - you repeat the same crap in response to everything. Denigrate the West and individual freedom, integrity, self-reliance; talk up Chinese communist dictatorship as benevolent, honest.

Who is that reminding me of? Oh, yes!

Fascists condemned liberal democracy for placing the rights of the individual above the needs of the Volk, encouraging “divisiveness” (i.e., political pluralism), tolerating “decadent” values, and limiting the power of the state.

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Reply #123 - May 9^th, 2022 at 10:09pm

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

Bbwianesque psittacism - you repeat the same crap in response to everything.

That's because you keep posting assertions based on flawed "freedom" ideology.

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Denigrate the West and individual freedom, integrity, self-reliance; talk up Chinese communist dictatorship as benevolent, honest.

Like I said, there are advantages and disadvantages to either system. I'm prepared to live and let live, I'm not prepared to suck up your delusional "freedom" ideology while the world is being torn by war and poverty.

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Who is that reminding me of? Oh, yes!
Fascists condemned liberal democracy for placing the rights of the individual above the needs of the Volk, encouraging “divisiveness” (i.e., political pluralism), tolerating “decadent” values, and limiting the power of the state.

The CCP is happy to let you have your 'liberal democracy'; but the CCP rejects the liberal democracy as its own preferred model of governance, because it places the natural greed of individuals above collective well-being.

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Reply #124 - May 9^th, 2022 at 10:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 10:09pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

Bbwianesque psittacism - you repeat the same crap in response to everything.

That's because you keep posting assertions based on flawed "freedom" ideology.

You are an idiot. If your freedom to spout this shite was curtailed you would protest like a stuck pig.

You are a moron of Bbwianesque proportions. You have no intellect, no mind, reason, insight, no articulation, no sense.

You are a moron, like Bbbwian, like turdy, like duckwit. An automaton moron.

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Reply #125 - May 10^th, 2022 at 2:05pm

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 10:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 10:09pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

Bbwianesque psittacism - you repeat the same crap in response to everything.

That's because you keep posting assertions based on flawed "freedom" ideology.

You are an idiot. If your freedom to spout this shite was curtailed you would protest like a stuck pig.

You are a moron of Bbwianesque proportions. You have no intellect, no mind, reason, insight, no articulation, no sense.

You are a moron, like Bbbwian, like turdy, like duckwit. An automaton moron.

Er..Frank, you know the drill: that's not debate.

Stop your paranoid nonsense about the CCP, you have to deal with far greater problems of democratic governance - I think you yourself referred to it as "a crisis of democracy".

So much so that Steve Grumbine and Michael Hudson see a US collapse within 50 years.

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Reply #126 - May 10^th, 2022 at 4:37pm

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

Who is that reminding me of? Oh, yes!

Fascists condemned liberal democracy for placing the rights of the individual above the needs of the Volk, encouraging “divisiveness” (i.e., political pluralism), tolerating “decadent” values, and limiting the power of the state.

Careful, old boy, there's the L word again. Worse, you've even gone and inserted the P.

We know you can get a little over-excited fleshing things out, as it were, but we don't want to encourage any unnecessary freedom of expression, okay? Good heavens, you'll be mentioning tolerance next.

Don't celebrate any freedoms you'll come to regret. Moan about colonialism ending far too soon and try to move on, yes?

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Reply #127 - May 10^th, 2022 at 10:38pm

"... only in a society and culture protected by the very things that it claims to be destroying can any dissenting view become dominant and then become the very thing it claimed to be destroying ... while yet proclaiming that it is the way of freedom itself" ....

- Professor Rastus Xavier, Haitian disaster survivor and Professor at Grappler U - the REAL U!

That is the way of all things, Grasshoppers... and that is why we must be careful not to destroy first without thought.... you must learn to differentiate between what is good and what is bad...... and remember always that when you install some good - you are doing bad to some, and must seek balance for the good of all living things....

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Reply #128 - May 11^th, 2022 at 12:51pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 10:38pm:

"... only in a society and culture protected by the very things that it claims to be destroying can any dissenting view become dominant and then become the very thing it claimed to be destroying ... while yet proclaiming that it is the way of freedom itself" ....

- Professor Rastus Xavier, Haitian disaster survivor and Professor at Grappler U - the REAL U!

That is the way of all things, Grasshoppers... and that is why we must be careful not to destroy first without thought.... you must learn to differentiate between what is good and what is bad...... and remember always that when you install some good - you are doing bad to some, and must seek balance for the good of all living things....

Cut through the words, Graps.

Eradicating war and poverty is not a question of "balance"; only the comfortably well-off would suggest doing good for some is bad for others, and then sneakily conclude "good for all living things" is a question of balance.

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Reply #129 - Aug 8^th, 2022 at 9:02pm

Pathetic to see a Palestinian rep. pleading for assistance from the UN, today.

The UN was rendered - from its inception - unable to maintain the peace, because paranoid might-is-right delegates from the US and USSR demanded absolute national sovereignty and the power of veto in the proposed UNSC.

And so res. 181 and 242 were ignored by Israel ages ago.

Res. 242:"Israel will withdraw from territories occupied" (in the '67 war)....apparently the word "the" (implied, in front of "territories") was deliberately omitted by clever draftsmen to allow the Israelis to bicker forever about what territories they were required to withdraw from...not that the SC could have implemented a UN resolution in any case.

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