Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 2^nd, 2022 at 12:53am:



It's the underlying fault in the UN system which gives the 5 major powers a veto -
in this case if one of those powers goes rogue a war can't be stopped.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 2^nd, 2022 at 1:04pm:



... and I have established many times that your concept of a disarmed earth and all power in the hands of an unelected body, the UN - which can declare war any time it wishes without a chance of a veto, and for any reason it wishes - is purest insanity leading to dictatorship and despotism by the UN (unelected) and will never work - apart from the simple reality that you will never get all nations to abide by your idea of law, and rogue nations will wreak havoc on all the others while your UN sits and debates what it will do in response.

UN = Hunger Games for real, with all power and force vested in a central and unelected body.  I panned Hunger Games as a silly girl show, but it has its points.....

By the time the UN get to an agreement, let alone sending warmaking forces to control war, the dead will be in the many thousands or more.

If, for instance, an Islamic nation goes to war with someone non-Islamic - how many of the Islamic nations will vote to stop them?  And how many will withdraw from the United Nations if it tries to over-ride them and their beliefs?  Same with the other religions such as Communism, Xi-ism, Putinism, and so forth.... the demi-gods of the proletariat ....

No, thank you.  You plan is a sure recipe for disaster on many fronts.

Your failure to make any definitive statement on culpability or otherwise of Putin's actions is noted................. did he have some right to attackl Ukraine because some Russians living in a foreign nation wanted it to be part of Russia, or because some Ukraines wanted to join NATO? ...  so if some Islamists in Australia want  it to be part of ISInt, they are entitled to invade us to enforce that... or some Pacific Islanders want to be part of Oceania The Great, they should be entitled to invade us??? ...and again - no veto was used since the issue did not come up.... and if it had, Russia has a veto.... your point is moot...

Mattyfisk wrote on May 2^nd, 2022 at 4:21pm:


Er... Taiwan is part of China under the internationally accepted  'One China -2 systems' principle. You can't invade your own territory.

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No you didn't. The acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible.  But if the territory is already yours, you can't invade it...by definition.

Now, you have to deal with a different circumstance, namely, the ability of a portion of the nation to unilaterally declare independence. Does the KMT want independence?

Meanwhile  'One China' policy still exists in the UN. Will the US abandon that policy?

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China doesn't have to invade Taiwan, because according to Biden (still), Taiwan is Chinese territory. (Notice how the US is involved in most wars by proxy, including Ukraine). 

Of course as the need to contain China grows ever more urgent in the US, Biden (or possibly Trump) might simply abandon the 'One China' principle.

In that case a nuclear war between two giants is possible. 

And note: whereas some Russians are anti-war and anti-Putin in the case of the Ukraine invasion, all 1.4 billion Chinese on the mainland would be pro-war and  pro CCP,  to defend Chinese sovereignty. 

Meanwhile, you asserted what I would do; in fact I am anti-war FULL-STOP, regardless of ideology and national territorial claims.

So you should know my preference (which you erroneously presumed to know, above) , namely, adjudication by an ICJ backed by a reformed UNSC without veto.
(Hey who gives a s**t if Taiwan remains democratic, while the mainland is leading the world into a new age of common prosperity which puts the chronic, evasive and generational poverty of the deluded "individual freedom"  democracies to shame?      

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Yes, so now can you see the advantage of outlawing war, with security guaranteed by a unified UNSC?

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Addressed and refuted above.

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I accept your apology.

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 2:40pm:


But some of them want to be part of China?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 3:01pm:


True, but 1.4 billion mainlanders  also think the island is part of China.

Are 330 million Americans ready to cross that 'red-line', in the age of MAD? 

So the real question is?

How does a nation, ideology, culture or people become powerful?

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 3:25pm:


America is.

They have to.

If the US allowed an invasion of Taiwan it would end it as a Pacific power, the alliances she has would fracture, the American empire would fall apart.

America will intervene in a Taiwan fight directly, unlike Ukraine.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 1:35pm:


Sorry, Great, are you saying you would NOT call the Chinese invasion of Taiwan a "security operation"?

I say, what on earth will you call it? It can't be called an invasion because you're anti-war FULL STOP.

Would you call it a  sincere gesture of friendship, perhaps? An invitation to join the great People's Republic of China? An act of goodwill?

We'll need an answer ASAP, I fear. There may not be not much time. Xi's already been testing missiles and getting the planes ready.