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Reply #60 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 9:20pm

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 7:17pm:

Sorry, Great, are you saying you would NOT call the Chinese invasion of Taiwan a "security operation"?

China will not invade Taiwan, so long as the One China principle is respected by the rest of the world.

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I say, what on earth will you call it? It can't be called an invasion because you're anti-war FULL STOP.

That's right: an invasion would be a costly mistake.

Better for China to achieve the most prosperous, socially-cohesive society on the planet, and then the Taiwanese will be falling over themselves to acknowledge their Chinese nationality, while the world's biggest democracies devolve into hyper-partisan rabbles.

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Would you call it a sincere gesture of friendship, perhaps? An invitation to join the great People's Republic of China? An act of goodwill?

I would call falling for the war-mongering US empire's tricks a catastrophe, at this time. "The best victories are achieved without firing a shot": Chinese proverb.

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We'll need an answer ASAP, I fear. There may not be not much time. Xi's already been testing missiles and getting the planes ready.

Xi only needs to spend enough on the military to finally bankrupt, or at least deter the paranoid US, whose fake financial economy will soon be no match for the productive capacity of China's real economy.

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Reply #61 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 9:31pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 7:16pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 3:33pm:

America is.

They have to.

If the US allowed an invasion of Taiwan it would end it as a Pacific power, the alliances she has would fracture, the American empire would fall apart.

America will intervene in a Taiwan fight directly, unlike Ukraine.

Well then China -with cool heads in the defense dept- will have to bide their time...until China's size - soon to be double and more than that of US GDP, will persuade the US it doesn't NEED to be a 'western Pacific power', because China is not interested in expansionism.

And at that time, mainland Chinese will be able to laugh at Taiwan with its democracy...who cares, when China becomes the largest, most cohesive, and prosperous nation in the world.

So, Herr Goebbels, all those little island built up and fortified are for tourists? All the deals to install functionaries all over the Pacific are just good will visits?

Every economy has its limits.... China is far wiser to play a soft game and simply trade with the rest of the world without all this grumbling over Taiwan and without its clear expansionism going on as we speak.

Only a foolish man runs around kicking sleeping dragons...

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Reply #62 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 10:12pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 9:31pm:

So, Herr Goebbels, all those little island built up and fortified are for tourists?

No, they are to deter the US empire's adventures in China's back yard. (Much better if the UN could guarantee the peace, but the reptilian brains are still in charge at the UN).

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All the deals to install functionaries all over the Pacific are just good will visits?

Oz failed to train Pacific islands' police to provide security in the business districts; China has signed a deal to do just that. But of course the paranoia behind the China "threat" theory sees all sorts of scary things where none exist.

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Every economy has its limits.... China is far wiser to play a soft game and simply trade with the rest of the world without all this grumbling over Taiwan and without its clear expansionism going on as we speak.

I agree (except I don't see the 'expansionism', given Taiwan is part of China in Chinese eyes); yet difficult, when the US empire and its agencies (the IMF and World Bank) continues to bully its competitors all around the globe.

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Only a foolish man runs around kicking sleeping dragons...

Haven't you got that back to front? .... Napoleon: "beware the sleeping dragon" (or similar)

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Reply #63 - May 4^th, 2022 at 1:04am

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That's right: an invasion would be a costly mistake.

Better for China to achieve the most prosperous, socially-cohesive society on the planet, and then the Taiwanese will be falling over themselves to acknowledge their Chinese nationality, while the world's biggest democracies devolve into hyper-partisan rabbles.

Ah. So you want Taiwan to ask China to invade, eh?

Sorry, declare a "security operation". I see.

So when would you like Taiwan to ask? Before or after Chairman Xi invades?

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Reply #64 - May 4^th, 2022 at 12:58pm

Karnal wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 1:04am:

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That's right: an invasion would be a costly mistake.

Better for China to achieve the most prosperous, socially-cohesive society on the planet, and then the Taiwanese will be falling over themselves to acknowledge their Chinese nationality, while the world's biggest democracies devolve into hyper-partisan rabbles.

Ah. So you want Taiwan to ask China to invade, eh?

No, read what I wrote, again.

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Sorry, declare a "security operation". I see.

You didn't read what I wrote, nor did you reply to #60 (which speaks volumes by your omission).

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So when would you like Taiwan to ask? Before or after Chairman Xi invades?

As I said, the Taiwanese will be asking for Chinese sovereignty, without an invasion from the mainland.

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Reply #65 - May 4^th, 2022 at 2:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 12:58pm:

Karnal wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 1:04am:

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That's right: an invasion would be a costly mistake.

Better for China to achieve the most prosperous, socially-cohesive society on the planet, and then the Taiwanese will be falling over themselves to acknowledge their Chinese nationality, while the world's biggest democracies devolve into hyper-partisan rabbles.

Ah. So you want Taiwan to ask China to invade, eh?

No, read what I wrote, again.

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Sorry, declare a "security operation". I see.

You didn't read what I wrote, nor did you reply to #60 (which speaks volumes by your omission).

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So when would you like Taiwan to ask? Before or after Chairman Xi invades?

As I said, the Taiwanese will be asking for Chinese sovereignty, without an invasion from the mainland.

Look, let's cut the CCP kool-aid krap. Taiwan will never ask the CCP to invade, you know that. Never ever.

Why can't you just be straight for once?

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Reply #67 - May 4^th, 2022 at 3:36pm

Karnal wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Look, let's cut the CCP kool-aid krap. Taiwan will never ask the CCP to invade, you know that. Never ever.

Why can't you just be straight for once?

You aren't reading my posts. I can't help that.

Meister suggests:

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Ask him to mention laowhy86 and/or serpentza in one of his posts.

I'm flat out trying to get you lot to use your god-given brains.....or rather, the non-reptilian bit capable of rational analysis; I certainly don't need to read more delusional "freedom" nonsense from people I can't respond to.

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Reply #68 - May 4^th, 2022 at 3:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

Meister suggests:

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Ask him to mention laowhy86 and/or serpentza in one of his posts.

I'm flat out trying to get you lot to use your god-given brains.....or rather, the non-reptilian bit capable of rational analysis; I certainly don't need to read more delusional "freedom" nonsense from people I can't respond to.

That's what happens!

You're not permitted to mention their names.

Cue some spam from the bots to try to bleach the posts.

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Reply #69 - May 4^th, 2022 at 8:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 3:00pm:

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 2:40pm:

The Taiwanese do not want to be part of Red China

But some of them want to be part of China?

What proportion?

14%.

But fom the gruesome Chinkie-poo commies, the people's will is anathema. Communist ideology uber alles.

Death to 'sovereign individuality' and all that western rot. Flied lice, you must learn to like it.

Foook orf, bozo, you are a tiresome demagogue, like your commie masters.

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Reply #70 - May 4^th, 2022 at 8:58pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

Meister suggests:

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Ask him to mention laowhy86 and/or serpentza in one of his posts.

I'm flat out trying to get you lot to use your god-given brains.....or rather, the non-reptilian bit capable of rational analysis; I certainly don't need to read more delusional "freedom" nonsense from people I can't respond to.

That's what happens!

You're not permitted to mention their names.

Cue some spam from the bots to try to bleach the posts.

That must hurt......

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Reply #71 - May 5^th, 2022 at 1:09am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

Karnal wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Look, let's cut the CCP kool-aid krap. Taiwan will never ask the CCP to invade, you know that. Never ever.

Why can't you just be straight for once?

You aren't reading my posts. I can't help that.

Meister suggests:

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Ask him to mention laowhy86 and/or serpentza in one of his posts.

I'm flat out trying to get you lot to use your god-given brains.....or rather, the non-reptilian bit capable of rational analysis; I certainly don't need to read more delusional "freedom" nonsense from people I can't respond to.

Thanks, Great. Given you won't answer the other questions, would you care to mention laowhy86 and/or serpentza in one of your posts?

Cheers.

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Reply #72 - May 5^th, 2022 at 1:35pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

Meister suggests:

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Ask him to mention laowhy86 and/or serpentza in one of his posts.

I'm flat out trying to get you lot to use your god-given brains.....or rather, the non-reptilian bit capable of rational analysis; I certainly don't need to read more delusional "freedom" nonsense from people I can't respond to.

That's what happens!

You're not permitted to mention their names.

Cue some spam from the bots to try to bleach the posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiOOC1Exk7o

SerpentZA, Laowhy 86, The LIES and the Truth.

Not permitted to mention their names?

I accept your concession.

Meanwhile you delusional "freedom" ideologues blinded by your unconscious reptilian brain and hence unable to think rationally, chafe against outlawing war under international law, making you complicit in the Ukraine catastrophe. Hence that horrible Ursula der Leyen prolonging the war from the comfort and security of her home.

And ignore my post #60.

And as for Taiwan:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/china-communique/

"Yet once the Shanghai Communiqué was issued, the writing was on the wall. As journalist and China scholar James Mann has written, " . . . Nixon’s initiative conveyed America’s acceptance, for the first time, of the outcome of the Chinese civil war and the defeat of Chiang Kai-shek. The United States stopped challenging the Chinese Communist Party’s authority to rule the country. . . . The American acceptance (in the communiqué) and, indeed, its embrace (in Nixon’s private talks) of a one-China policy was to govern American conduct from that point onward."

Now of course US hawks backed by their evil profit-seeking military industrial complex want to unilaterally withdraw from the Shanghai Communiqué, and to end the US policy of "strategic ambiguity" altogether, in the hope of getting the two Chinese sides to destroy one-another, with Taiwan using US-made weapons.... good for US business.....

So you want plain talking.

I'm anti war (in the age of MAD), FULLSTOP.

If the US forced the issue, and abandoned the One China principle on ideological grounds (ie your deadly and delusional "freedom" ideology) I would advise China to refrain from being enticed into war by the US, in the Taiwan Straits.

Until such time as international law is created, to adjudicate on the matter.....or until such time China's power is sufficient to deter the US from firing the first shot....

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Reply #73 - May 5^th, 2022 at 3:30pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 5^th, 2022 at 1:35pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

Meister suggests:

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Ask him to mention laowhy86 and/or serpentza in one of his posts.

I'm flat out trying to get you lot to use your god-given brains.....or rather, the non-reptilian bit capable of rational analysis; I certainly don't need to read more delusional "freedom" nonsense from people I can't respond to.

That's what happens!

You're not permitted to mention their names.

Cue some spam from the bots to try to bleach the posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiOOC1Exk7o

SerpentZA, Laowhy 86, The LIES and the Truth.

Not permitted to mention their names?

I accept your concession.

Now watch videos directly from laowhy86 (not laowhy 86) and serpentza as opposed to those from Lee or Oli Barrett.

There are some good ones detailing how Oli's and Lee's content is directed and scripted by the CCP.

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