JC Denton wrote on Jul 8
th, 2024 at 4:08pm:
mate you're a fat guy who is trying to convince me, a thin guy, that cico doesnt work lol
crank nutrition
food is not some mystical thing, foods are composed of basic nutritional building block elements and some foods have more calories than others
then you show me a bunch of photos of almost definitely roided up dickheads lmao and then gave me a spiel about body composition like i dont know what that is and how it works when i literally brought that very subject up in like 2-3 posts before
also youve switched your argument from "cico doesnt work" to "cico w/ regards to no other nutritional factors doesnt result in fat loss but muscle loss" (which is to a limited extent a bit true case depending on a trillion variables) but is still a weird deviation from your original case. i really have nfi what you're even arguing anymore
I thought I was
very clear what I meant. You are saying a calorie is a calorie, regardless of source of nutrition. I am saying that a calorie is not a calore, if the source of nutrition is varying.
I have also said that "calorie in/calorie out" is theoretically sound. Actually, I mistakenly wrote "carbs in/carbs out". But, regardless of that minor error, the CICO theory is flawed due to the fact that the calories you consume in an apple is different to the calories you consume in a serving of french fries.
You cannot just see calorie intake for the body to be similar to putting money in a bank and then using the funds slowly during the day, and maybe spending a lot during physical exertions. My analogy for that would be if calorie intake to the body was like putting money in the bank and letting it be stored for a little while.
If I can make the distinction. If you put money in your bank and agree to the terms of fees being applied to use the bank's facilities. You also have a high interest when you want to take out a loan, because the bank knows that you are laundering some money and find you an unreliable customer. But your legitimate sources of income keep you credible... for now. Eventually, the tax man is going to write a please explain to you, and you will have a stroke. All you can do to recover is declare bankruptcy and recover with legitimate income sources to pay off that 'debt'.
For my analogy, my bank sees that I am a legitimate customer with legitimate income sources. I have a reasonably good credit rating, even after having history of POOR financial management. I mean, it took me years to get that good credit rating, though. As long as I continue to do the right thing, the bank will loan me what I need to use, and I will have to repay with low interest rates applied.
Is that abstract enough for you?
I did show you a photo of Greg Kovacs. He was a roided up body builder. But, I was trying to demonstrate, not just to you but, to people that someone weighing something like 190kg is not just people who are obese. Kovacs was an extreme version of heavy muscular. Most 190kg people I have seen in photos probably have been unable to touch their toes, they are so fat.
You are calling me a "
fat guy". You call yourself a "
thin guy". I bet the reality is that I have a higher body percentage of fat, compared to you. However, I bet I have more muscle on my body compared to you. I would probably be described as "muscular fat". Whereas, from what you are telling me, you are probably "skinny fat". My 102kg frame could probably bench press 70kg at most. Whereas,
you could probably bench press 50kg. Even when I was 23 or 24 years old, I weighed 84kg and could bench press 70kg. I looked physically fit then. I am trying to get back to those days of physical fitness as soon as I can before my ageing body starts to factor into how fit I can get.
Speaking of thin, I suppose your sex life is not great? Consuming sugary foods is probably the worst thing for your willy. If you want to get strong erections, you keep away from sugar. The blood in your body will circulate better. You will have better stamina, too. Surely, you know the link between alcohol and erectile dysfunction. Ever since going sober, it is so easy for a near-middle-aged person like me to get hard erections. Could I suggest you drink green or black tea in the mornings. Drink diluted apple cider vinegar before bed. Also, when you are laying in bed, hold your breath for a period of 30 seconds. Recover and then repeat 2 or 3 more times. Not only will you drift off to sleep easier, by morning, you will probably be more 'equipped'.
I don't care if that last paragraph made you feel uncomfortable. But, you would know that I have been truthful here. Quietly alter your diet. In two weeks, you will see the difference.