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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	NATO should have disbanded in 1991 after USSR ends May 3^rd, 2022 at 1:58pm NATO had no reason to exist after the dissolution of the USSR. The only reason NATO presently exists is to be a buyer of US war machines and munitions. It would have been a huge victory in 1991 for world peace if NATO disbanded.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11876 Gender:	Re: NATO should have disbanded in 1991 after USSR ends Reply #1 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 2:22pm Thank god it wasn't dissolved. Russian obsession with reclaiming eastern Europe would not have abated if NATO had disbanded. Russia, Germany, Poland, Austria-Hungary, and the Baltic states have fought over Ukraine for hundreds of years.
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Re: NATO should have disbanded in 1991 after USSR ends
Reply #2 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 2:41pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 1:58pm:

NATO had no reason to exist after the dissolution of the USSR.

The only reason NATO presently exists is to be a buyer of US war machines and munitions.

It would have been a huge victory in 1991 for world peace if NATO disbanded.

NATO was 42 years old when the USSR's dissolution occurred. I would suggest that you do some research on the Cold War and the reason why the USSR became the countries Russia and several satellite countries. The USSR ran short of money. The Baltic states and the Ukraine were the only profitable areas that did not want to be bogged down the Moscow's incompetence. And I figure the more central Asian states broke away because of cultural and linguistic reasoning.

NATO was instrumental in bringing down the communist governance of the USSR. And the NATO needed not fire a shot. Although recent history shows that the Russians still pack a punch in military world affairs, they are not the world superpower they once were in the 1980s. If NATO was successful against the USSR in 1989 to 1992, surely you can see that NATO is an important organisation in today's world. For, if it is not Russia, some other world power would need to be monitored and dealt with by NATO.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11876 Gender:	Re: NATO should have disbanded in 1991 after USSR ends Reply #3 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 2:48pm The Ukraine war is the Russian Mongol instinct expressing itself. A need to act like Genghis Khan - to burn, kill, destroy and conquer.
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Reply #4 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 2:56pm

Russia is in a strong enough position militarily to be able to try and annex Ukraine. But, Russia is weak economically to be motivated to try and annex Ukraine. If successful in their 'campaign', Russia would benefit in the long term economically. The Russians would also benefit militarily from annexing Ukraine.

But, the success of Russia's invasion will depend on the lack of action and ignorance of the world in intervening in some way. NATO will help ensure Russia has a lot of trouble achieving their goals.

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Reply #5 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 3:04pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 2:56pm:

Russia is in a strong enough position militarily to be able to try and annex Ukraine. But, Russia is weak economically to be motivated to try and annex Ukraine. If successful in their 'campaign', Russia would benefit in the long term economically. The Russians would also benefit militarily from annexing Ukraine.

But, the success of Russia's invasion will depend on the lack of action and ignorance of the world in intervening in some way. NATO will help ensure Russia has a lot of trouble achieving their goals.

Without NATO, nothing would have stopped them.

The centuries-old receding of the west from eastern Europe would have been received as a go for Russia to take the east.

This is a break with history, and Putin's actions are akin to a 2-year-old throwing a tantrum.

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Reply #7 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:06pm

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Russia have got real good at supplying the talking points they want to the west. It seems that there is always someone willing to pick up their preferred topics and run with it.

Imaging how much more aggressive Putin would have been if it were not for NATO.

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Reply #8 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:11pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 3:23pm:

Something spooked Putin into taking a risky military action against Ukraine. May history reveal the source, soon.

Nothing spooked him - He announced this intention over a decade ago. It was always a matter of when not if.

From the time Putin took office he has said that he intended to reunite the old USSR. (all of it).

This is what is happening, this is implementing a plan that has been in place for about 10 years. This is about Putin taking by force what he believes should be his land.

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Re: NATO should have disbanded in 1991 after USSR ends
Reply #9 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:39pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 1:58pm:

NATO had no reason to exist after the dissolution of the USSR.

The only reason NATO presently exists is to be a buyer of US war machines and munitions.

It would have been a huge victory in 1991 for world peace if NATO disbanded.

NATO should have entered serious START type talks
and agreements so that by now no army in Europe including Russia
would have enough power to invade any other countries.
It's a shocking failure of diplomacy that could cause WW3.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11876 Gender:	Re: NATO should have disbanded in 1991 after USSR ends Reply #10 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:56pm Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:11pm: This is about Putin taking by force what he believes should be his land. And in accordance with history, it would have been. NATO prevented history from repeating a centuries-old cycle.
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Reply #11 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 5:41pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:11pm:

This is about Putin taking by force what he believes should be his land.

And in accordance with history, it would have been.

NATO prevented history from repeating a centuries-old cycle.

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And in accordance with history, it would have been.

No Ukraine was a member state of the USSR it was always a different country from Russia - Putin is the Leader of Russia and Russia never has Ukraine as a region. The USSR was disbanded in 1992.

It was part of the USSR for the majority of time (not always) between the 1920's and 1990's and has been an independent country since 1992.

70 years is a sparrow fart in terms of history.

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Reply #12 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 5:43pm

Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 5:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:11pm:

This is about Putin taking by force what he believes should be his land.

And in accordance with history, it would have been.

NATO prevented history from repeating a centuries-old cycle.

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And in accordance with history, it would have been.

No Ukraine was a member state of the USSR it was always a different country from Russia - Putin is the Leader of Russia and Russia never has Ukraine as a region. The USSR was disbanded in 1992.

It was part of the USSR for the majority of time (not always) between the 1920's and 1990's and has been an independent country since 1992.

70 years is a sparrow fart in terms of history.

Try including hundreds of years of the region's history.

Historically, the name for Ukraine (which means edge), in Russia is Little Russia.

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Reply #13 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 5:44pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:11pm:

This is about Putin taking by force what he believes should be his land.

And in accordance with history, it would have been.

NATO prevented history from repeating a centuries-old cycle.

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NATO prevented history from repeating a centuries-old cycle.

NATO had nothing to do with Putin invading Ukraine.

The world no longer tolerates this type of century old invasion cycles.

Rolling out Russian talking points to support Putin is not a good look.

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Reply #14 - May 3^rd, 2022 at 5:51pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 5:43pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 5:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 3^rd, 2022 at 4:11pm:

This is about Putin taking by force what he believes should be his land.

And in accordance with history, it would have been.

NATO prevented history from repeating a centuries-old cycle.

Quote:

And in accordance with history, it would have been.

No Ukraine was a member state of the USSR it was always a different country from Russia - Putin is the Leader of Russia and Russia never has Ukraine as a region. The USSR was disbanded in 1992.

It was part of the USSR for the majority of time (not always) between the 1920's and 1990's and has been an independent country since 1992.

70 years is a sparrow fart in terms of history.

Try including hundreds of years of the region's history.

Historically, the name for Ukraine (which means edge), in Russia is Little Russia.

The area referred to as Little Russia is a small region on the east with a minority view held largely by immigrants from Russia around the time that the SSR was created. There is no national validity in the claim that the region is part of Russia or ever was.

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