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Reply #105 - May 10th, 2022 at 10:17am
 
What kind of country was China in 1949? It is a poor and backward agricultural country.

In the first 30 years after the founding of new China (Mao's 30 years), China achieved national independence, people's Liberation and national unity; China has established the basic socialist system in an all-round way; On the ruins left by the old China, China has basically established an independent and relatively complete industrial system and national economic system in a much shorter time than the western countries, which has laid a solid material and technological foundation for the modernization drive.

India gained independence in 1947, when life expectancy was 32 years. When new China was founded in 1949, the life expectancy of the Chinese was 35 years - three years higher than that of India. By 1978, the last year before China's reform, life expectancy was 67 in China and 55 in India - the gap widened to 12.

The widening gap is not because of India's poor performance - life expectancy has increased by 22 years in 32 years, but because of China's excellent performance - life expectancy has increased by 32 years in 29 years. This means that before the reform, Chinese life expectancy increased by more than one year a year - an average annual increase of 2.3%.

By comparison, we have a better understanding of the true scale of this achievement. It should be pointed out that, compared with other major countries in human history, China's life expectancy growth rate is the fastest in the 30 years after 1949. For example:

- In the 30 years after 1880, life expectancy in the United States increased by 0.9% annually.
- After 1871, life expectancy in the UK experienced a period of rapid growth, with an annual growth rate of less than 1.0% .
- Japan's life expectancy growth is more significant, and it is a country that has achieved rapid growth in the economic recovery after WW II. In the 29 years after 1947, the average annual growth rate of life expectancy is 1.3%.

As a result, China's 2.3% increase in life expectancy between 1949 and 1978 is far higher than those calculated by normal standards in these countries, and its performance is unprecedented.

This is only one of Mao Zedong's many achievements, but I personally think it is his most important achievement, because the right to life is the most important human right.

His other achievements, for example, under the joint sanctions and embargoes of the Soviet Union and the United States, enabled China to have the capability of nuclear deterrence and launching satellites, and enabled China to return to the UN and became one of the five permanent members.

Of course, the CPC and Mao also made many mistakes in the "first 30 years" of new China, and the development of our country suffered serious setbacks as a result. This is the price to pay in the process of exploration“ The new road of reform and opening-up in the last 30 years is created on the basis of summing up the experience and lessons of the first 30 years. We should treat the "first 30 years" of new China with respect for history.

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Reply #106 - May 10th, 2022 at 10:21am
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 10:13am:
Democracy is not the only possible political system that suits every country and "The West is not the best".
Before the West took for granted democracy from the ancient Greeks, they should have at least become acquainted with what Greek thinkers said about democracy like Plato in his work "Republic", where he characterized democracy as one of the worst possible political systems. Plato uses the Republic to criticize democracy, which makes it suitable for mass ignorance, hysteria and, ultimately, tyranny.
And that is exactly what is happening in the West at the moment, from the corrupt two party cartels, to the tyranny of plutocracy and corporate fascism.
Taking for granted democracy without reading Plato's Republic was the same as accepting Christianity without ever having heard of the Bible, and that is exactly what the West has done in its arrogance and ignorance.
Unlike the West, China does not consider democracy as a religion (dogmatic political system) but as a dynamic process with own creative input that aims to achieve prosperity for both the country and the people who live in it.
The Chinese people do not need Western democracy because they are completely happy without it. If the West is satisfied with its democracy, that is fine as long as they keep it to themselves and do not impose it on others. We do not want western decline, we prefer our undisputed progress.

Plato-later-conceded-that-democracy-acts-
more-reasonably-and-moderately-than-any-
other-system.-Also-Plato's-logical-flaw-in-The-
Republic,-which-he-could-not-correct-was-,what-
if-the-philosopher-king-did-not-have-the-best-
interests-of-the-people-at-heart?-How-would-the-
people-remove-him-(Short-of-his-abdicating)?-
The-CCP-does-not-have-the-best-interests-of-
the-Chinese-people-at-heart.-How-can-the-Chinese-
people-correct-this?-

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Reply #107 - May 10th, 2022 at 10:26am
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 10:13am:
The Chinese people do not need Western democracy because they are completely happy without it.

How-do-you-know-the-Chinese-people-
are-happy-with-the-CCP-and-without-democracy?
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Reply #108 - May 10th, 2022 at 10:45am
 
The CCP could try disarming the PLA and paramilitaries, see how long before the Chinese people start voicing demands for freedoms!
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Reply #109 - May 10th, 2022 at 10:57am
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 10:13am:
Democracy is not the only possible political system that suits every country and "The West is not the best".
Before the West took for granted democracy from the ancient Greeks, they should have at least become acquainted with what Greek thinkers said about democracy like Plato in his work "Republic", where he characterized democracy as one of the worst possible political systems. Plato uses the Republic to criticize democracy, which makes it suitable for mass ignorance, hysteria and, ultimately, tyranny.
And that is exactly what is happening in the West at the moment, from the corrupt two party cartels, to the tyranny of plutocracy and corporate fascism.
Taking for granted democracy without reading Plato's Republic was the same as accepting Christianity without ever having heard of the Bible, and that is exactly what the West has done in its arrogance and ignorance.
Unlike the West, China does not consider democracy as a religion (dogmatic political system) but as a dynamic process with own creative input that aims to achieve prosperity for both the country and the people who live in it.
The Chinese people do not need Western democracy because they are completely happy without it. If the West is satisfied with its democracy, that is fine as long as they keep it to themselves and do not impose it on others. We do not want western decline, we prefer our undisputed progress.


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The West has fought for democracy. Plato is on the shelves of every Western university.

You can be critical of democracy in democracies. You cannot be critical of communist dictatorship in communist dictatorships.

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Reply #110 - May 10th, 2022 at 1:00pm
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 10:13am:
Democracy is not the only possible political system that suits every country and "The West is not the best".
Before the West took for granted democracy from the ancient Greeks, they should have at least become acquainted with what Greek thinkers said about democracy like Plato in his work "Republic", where he characterized democracy as one of the worst possible political systems. Plato uses the Republic to criticize democracy, which makes it suitable for mass ignorance, hysteria and, ultimately, tyranny.
And that is exactly what is happening in the West at the moment, from the corrupt two party cartels, to the tyranny of plutocracy and corporate fascism.
Taking for granted democracy without reading Plato's Republic was the same as accepting Christianity without ever having heard of the Bible, and that is exactly what the West has done in its arrogance and ignorance.
Unlike the West, China does not consider democracy as a religion (dogmatic political system) but as a dynamic process with own creative input that aims to achieve prosperity for both the country and the people who live in it.
The Chinese people do not need Western democracy because they are completely happy without it. If the West is satisfied with its democracy, that is fine as long as they keep it to themselves and do not impose it on others. We do not want western decline, we prefer our undisputed progress.


Excellent contribution. But the blind "individual freedom" ideologues aren't capable of rational analysis.
 
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Reply #111 - May 10th, 2022 at 1:14pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:00pm:
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 10:13am:
Democracy is not the only possible political system that suits every country and "The West is not the best".
Before the West took for granted democracy from the ancient Greeks, they should have at least become acquainted with what Greek thinkers said about democracy like Plato in his work "Republic", where he characterized democracy as one of the worst possible political systems. Plato uses the Republic to criticize democracy, which makes it suitable for mass ignorance, hysteria and, ultimately, tyranny.
And that is exactly what is happening in the West at the moment, from the corrupt two party cartels, to the tyranny of plutocracy and corporate fascism.
Taking for granted democracy without reading Plato's Republic was the same as accepting Christianity without ever having heard of the Bible, and that is exactly what the West has done in its arrogance and ignorance.
Unlike the West, China does not consider democracy as a religion (dogmatic political system) but as a dynamic process with own creative input that aims to achieve prosperity for both the country and the people who live in it.
The Chinese people do not need Western democracy because they are completely happy without it. If the West is satisfied with its democracy, that is fine as long as they keep it to themselves and do not impose it on others. We do not want western decline, we prefer our undisputed progress.


Excellent contribution. But the blind "individual freedom" ideologues aren't capable of rational analysis.
 

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Reply #112 - May 10th, 2022 at 1:47pm
 
America is currently ruled by a corporatocracy, where corporate fascism with Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey can impose censorship on a democratically elected president, and then let deep state organize a coup and remove him from office.
China will never allow an oligarchs (for example like Jack Ma) to impose the rule of corporate fascism, instead of having a corporation that serves the interests of the people in the country.
Let the corporate mafia rule America, but not China.

JACK MA understood all of that and now he is fine.
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Reply #113 - May 10th, 2022 at 1:52pm
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
Let the corporate mafia rule America, but not China.

JACK MA understood all of that and now he is fine.

The-CCP-is-a-corporate-mafia.-
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Reply #114 - May 10th, 2022 at 1:56pm
 
Western mentality is always one of brutal action when confronted with something that they do not like and understand. they seek to dominate in order to bring perceived meaning to their self-designated righteous superiority. The west has no clue how to answer to China and have embarked on an ancient old tradition of propagating war and destruction. They know that china is outmaneuvering them at every corner with class, peace, and resolve. This approach is not only portrayed as alien in substance but also as unacceptable by the west who needs all to play according to their rules of might is right (as they see themselves despite the dire and rapidly degrading condition of their societies). They need and want China to play by their books in order to be able to contain china through their own, and only known, tactic and method of conducting war as the only solution to a problem. The barbaric western psyche has not evolved a bit despite coming into contact with so many various cultures and civilizations, from which they could have learned so much, over the span of centuries.

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Reply #115 - May 10th, 2022 at 1:59pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
Let the corporate mafia rule America, but not China.

JACK MA understood all of that and now he is fine.

The-CCP-is-a-corporate-mafia.-


In the eyes of a deluded"freedom" ideologue. 

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Reply #116 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:05pm
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:56pm:
Western mentality is always one of brutal action when confronted with something that they do not like and understand. they seek to dominate in order to bring perceived meaning to their self-designated righteous superiority. The west has no clue how to answer to China and have embarked on an ancient old tradition of propagating war and destruction. They know that china is outmaneuvering them at every corner with class, peace, and resolve. This approach is not only portrayed as alien in substance but also as unacceptable by the west who needs all to play according to their rules of might is right (as they see themselves despite the dire and rapidly degrading condition of their societies). They need and want China to play by their books in order to be able to contain china through their own, and only known, tactic and method of conducting war as the only solution to a problem. The barbaric western psyche has not evolved a bit despite coming into contact with so many various cultures and civilizations, from which they could have learned so much, over the span of centuries.

How's-the-psychopathic-lockdowns-enforced-by-the-CCP-going?
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Reply #117 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:06pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:59pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
Let the corporate mafia rule America, but not China.

JACK MA understood all of that and now he is fine.

The-CCP-is-a-corporate-mafia.-


In the eyes of a deluded"freedom" ideologue. 

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Reply #118 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:06pm
 
As I said before, the Chinese people have tried various political systems. In the end, we chose the socialist - capitalist system with unike Chinese characteristics.

I want to emphasize once again that there is no perfect system in the world. Every country must find a political system suitable for its own history and culture.

There is no reason for forcing a country to accept or abandon a political system, whether it's "democratic liberalism" or "communism" or "socialism" or other "...ism".

At the same time, each country must adjust and optimize its own system. For China, the CPC (CCP) is constantly carrying out self criticism and even self denial without dogmatic barriers.

The CPC was founded in 1921. However, the CPC in 1921 was different from the CPC in World War II, was different from the CPC when the people's Republic of China founded in 1949, was different from the CPC during the cultural revolution, was different from the CPC after reform and opening up, and was different from the CPC after China becoming the second largest economy in the world.

It is this dynamic ability of continuous self evolution that enables the CPC to adapt to China's different situations in different historical periods and has been supported by the people.

Therefore, I hope that our foreign friends can see China and the CPC with a developing eyes, rather than staying at a certain historical stage. I also hope that they are able to rationally examine their own national systems and political parties according to the same standards.
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Reply #119 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:08pm
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:06pm:
As I said before, the Chinese people have tried various political systems. In the end, we chose the socialist - capitalist system with unike Chinese characteristics.

Communism-was-forced-on-the-Chinese-people-
after-the-nationalists-were-depleted-by-their-
war-with-Japan,-while-the-communists-hid-in-the
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