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Reply #120 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:09pm
 
Did the people chose that, or CCP apparatchiks?
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Reply #121 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:11pm
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:06pm:
As I said before, the Chinese people have tried various political systems. In the end, we chose the socialist - capitalist system with unike Chinese characteristics.

I want to emphasize once again that there is no perfect system in the world. Every country must find a political system suitable for its own history and culture.

There is no reason for forcing a country to accept or abandon a political system, whether it's "democratic liberalism" or "communism" or "socialism" or other "...ism".

At the same time, each country must adjust and optimize its own system. For China, the CPC (CCP) is constantly carrying out self criticism and even self denial without dogmatic barriers.

The CPC was founded in 1921. However, the CPC in 1921 was different from the CPC in World War II, was different from the CPC when the people's Republic of China founded in 1949, was different from the CPC during the cultural revolution, was different from the CPC after reform and opening up, and was different from the CPC after China becoming the second largest economy in the world.

It is this dynamic ability of continuous self evolution that enables the CPC to adapt to China's different situations in different historical periods and has been supported by the people.

Therefore, I hope that our foreign friends can see China and the CPC with a developing eyes, rather than staying at a certain historical stage. I also hope that they are able to rationally examine their own national systems and political parties according to the same standards.
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Conservatives can't understand the concept of "continuous self evolution".
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Reply #122 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:16pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:09pm:
Did the people chose that, or CCP apparatchiks?


People don't "choose" government, they accept it.

Elections only give the illusion of choice; meanwhile poverty and war remain the reality, under US global hegemony.
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Reply #123 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:19pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:11pm:
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:06pm:
As I said before, the Chinese people have tried various political systems. In the end, we chose the socialist - capitalist system with unike Chinese characteristics.

I want to emphasize once again that there is no perfect system in the world. Every country must find a political system suitable for its own history and culture.

There is no reason for forcing a country to accept or abandon a political system, whether it's "democratic liberalism" or "communism" or "socialism" or other "...ism".

At the same time, each country must adjust and optimize its own system. For China, the CPC (CCP) is constantly carrying out self criticism and even self denial without dogmatic barriers.

The CPC was founded in 1921. However, the CPC in 1921 was different from the CPC in World War II, was different from the CPC when the people's Republic of China founded in 1949, was different from the CPC during the cultural revolution, was different from the CPC after reform and opening up, and was different from the CPC after China becoming the second largest economy in the world.

It is this dynamic ability of continuous self evolution that enables the CPC to adapt to China's different situations in different historical periods and has been supported by the people.

Therefore, I hope that our foreign friends can see China and the CPC with a developing eyes, rather than staying at a certain historical stage. I also hope that they are able to rationally examine their own national systems and political parties according to the same standards.
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Conservatives can't understand the concept of "continuous self evolution".



If the people of China could exercise political expression and critical engagement with their political system without fear for their safety and liberty - there would be no CCP rule in China.

It is only surveillance and oppression that keeps the CCP in power, nothing else. Certainly not "continuous self evolution" (what a cack handed neologism from the Chinese Ministry of Truth).
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Reply #124 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:26pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:11pm:
Conservatives can't understand the concept of "continuous self evolution".

What did the washing machine say when you spoke to it about this?
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Reply #125 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:27pm
 
Frank wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:19pm:
It is only surveillance and oppression that keeps the CCP in power, nothing else. Certainly not "continuous self evolution" (what a cack handed neologism from the Chinese Ministry of Truth).


And national achievements like this :

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202205/1265214.shtml

It is the fourth time that the 53.1-meter-long, 3.35-meter-diameter Long March-7 rocket carried its Tianzhou passengers to space. Having established perfect coordination between the two space buddies, the rocket's flight reliability assessment value has reached 0.9838, an internationally advanced level, indicating a stabilized overall technical status of the rocket.

While NASA has been forced to outsource its launches to a narcissist like Musk, because of lack of funds from the divided US congress...



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Reply #126 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:30pm
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
America is currently ruled by a corporatocracy, where corporate fascism with Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey can impose censorship on a democratically elected president, and then let deep state organize a coup and remove him from office.
China will never allow an oligarchs (for example like Jack Ma) to impose the rule of corporate fascism, instead of having a corporation that serves the interests of the people in the country.
Let the corporate mafia rule America, but not China.

JACK MA understood all of that and now he is fine.


Dear Leader never had his Twitter account banned when he was prez, dear. He was a private citizen who was banned for spreading hate speech. Twitter gave him countless warnings. Anybody else would have been banned years ago.

It would help if you cite your sources. Some are quite reasonable. Others - like this - are mere propaganda.
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Reply #127 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:53pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 1:56pm:
Western mentality is always one of brutal action when confronted with something that they do not like and understand. they seek to dominate in order to bring perceived meaning to their self-designated righteous superiority. The west has no clue how to answer to China and have embarked on an ancient old tradition of propagating war and destruction. They know that china is outmaneuvering them at every corner with class, peace, and resolve. This approach is not only portrayed as alien in substance but also as unacceptable by the west who needs all to play according to their rules of might is right (as they see themselves despite the dire and rapidly degrading condition of their societies). They need and want China to play by their books in order to be able to contain china through their own, and only known, tactic and method of conducting war as the only solution to a problem. The barbaric western psyche has not evolved a bit despite coming into contact with so many various cultures and civilizations, from which they could have learned so much, over the span of centuries.

How's-the-psychopathic-lockdowns-enforced-by-the-CCP-going?


It is obvious that people like you are not worried about China because of some noble reason or your love for the Chinese, but because of the attempt to justify your idea of Western exceptionalism and hegemony.
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Reply #128 - May 10th, 2022 at 2:59pm
 
The Chinese-built standard-gauge railway (SGR) linking Kenya's port city Mombasa to its capital Nairobi has witnessed 1,500+ days of safe operation, a milestone marking the achievements of joint development between China and African countries via the Belt and Road Initiative.

The Mombasa-Nairobi Railway connects Nairobi, the capital of Kenya, and Mombasa, the largest port in East Africa, with a total length of about 480 kilometers. It is a modern railway constructed with Chinese standards, Chinese technology, and Chinese equipment.

The Mombasa-Nairobi SGR, which replaced the meter-gauge railway that was constructed more than 100 years ago during British colonial rule, has been an important product that came out of the China-proposed Belt and Road Initiative and the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation held in Johannesburg, South Africa, in late 2015.

The Mombasa-Nairobi SGR is the first step in the grand plan to build an East Africa railway network that will eventually link Kenya with Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and South Sudan.

Different from the way the British colonists operated railways in the early days, the railways that China helped Africa build will be operated by African countries themselves, and China will be responsible for providing technical and service training.

“It is better to teach how to fish, than to provide the fish.” -- This is a basic idea that China has always emphasized when cooperating with other developing countries. I don't think what China is doing is a kind of "charity" or "aid". What China is doing is creating a new economic model of sustainable development.

What many poor developing countries, especially some African countries, lack is infrastructure and the funds and capacity to build it, as well as the talents to operate it. China can provide funds and build capacity, but China's goal is not only to find overseas markets for its excess infrastructure capacity, but through this cooperation, African countries can participate in the global economic cycle, so that they can develop low and medium-end industries and become a market for high-end products.
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Reply #129 - May 10th, 2022 at 3:03pm
 
No matter what doubts people have about the CPC and China's political system, it is difficult to deny the success of the CPC.
In 1949, China was still a poor semi colonial country, with an average life expectancy of 35 years. Today, China has been
regarded by the powerful G7 as a competitor that can not be ignored.

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Reply #130 - May 10th, 2022 at 3:07pm
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 2:53pm:
It is obvious that people like you are not worried about China because of some noble reason or your love for the Chinese, but because of the attempt to justify your idea of Western exceptionalism and hegemony.

Given-how-well-the-Taiwanese-are-running-their-
state-(remember-it-was-the-Taiwanese-that-warned-
the-world-of-covid-in-Wuhan),-I-would-wish-for-the-
Chinese-people-the-same-system-of-government-at-that-
of-Taiwan.
Those-who-use-the-term:-the-people'-or-the-peoples'-xxx-
are-invariably-an-enemy-of-people.
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Reply #131 - May 10th, 2022 at 3:09pm
 
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 3:03pm:
No matter what doubts people have about the CPC and China's political system, it is difficult to deny the success of the CPC.
In 1949, China was still a poor semi colonial country, with an average life expectancy of 35 years. Today, China has been
regarded by the powerful G7 as a competitor that can not be ignored.


Not-much-to-be-proud-of-
the-Chinese-went-from-eating-their-own-sh!t-
to-a-bowl-of-rice.-
There-is-nowhere-in-China-that-is-not-polluted-
or-free-from-using-slave-labour,-
More-to-be-ashamed-of-than-proud-of.
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Reply #132 - May 10th, 2022 at 3:20pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 3:09pm:
athos wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 3:03pm:
No matter what doubts people have about the CPC and China's political system, it is difficult to deny the success of the CPC.
In 1949, China was still a poor semi colonial country, with an average life expectancy of 35 years. Today, China has been
regarded by the powerful G7 as a competitor that can not be ignored.

Not-much-to-be-proud-of-
the-Chinese-went-from-eating-their-own-sh!t-
to-a-bowl-of-rice.-


..and being one of only  2 nations with a rover on Mars.....

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There-is-nowhere-in-China-that-is-not-polluted-
or-free-from-using-slave-labour,-
More-to-be-ashamed-of-than-proud-of.


Slave labor - like the low paid, insecure, gig-economy mickey-mouse jobs in the fake financial western FIRE economies (finance, insurance, real-estate). 
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Reply #133 - May 10th, 2022 at 3:29pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Slave labor - like the low paid, insecure, gig-economy mickey-mouse jobs in the fake financial western FIRE economies (finance, insurance, real-estate). 

Slave labor - like the no paid, and treated like pigs. The CCP loves 'the people'; just not people.

China is full of sh!t jobs, literally. Like making gutter oil.
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Reply #134 - May 10th, 2022 at 3:59pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 3:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 10th, 2022 at 3:20pm:
Slave labor - like the low paid, insecure, gig-economy mickey-mouse jobs in the fake financial western FIRE economies (finance, insurance, real-estate). 

Slave labor - like the no paid, and treated like pigs. The CCP loves 'the people'; just not people.

China is full of sh!t jobs, literally. Like making gutter oil.


Making gutter oil isn't a sh!t job if it serves a purpose.

And did you forget the space station - soon to be the only one in space when the ISS is decommissioned mid decade; and the Mars rover?

And the commissioning of nuclear energy plants , and the fastest roll-out of renewable energy in the world, on the way to achieving a clean, green economy by mid century?   
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