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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #165 - May 16^th, 2022 at 2:06am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 13^th, 2022 at 1:37am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 13^th, 2022 at 1:08am:

Will of the people, innit?

What.... to hate one-another?

Enjoy.

'hate' is a strong word to discuss political differences....

You are speaking as an extremist seeking to see the world in black and white..... your reasoning is very narrow and clearly governed by total misconception.......

One party state? There are no divisions of opinion in China? Why are there autonomous prefectures and such dotted around the place? Even in the equivalent of a parliament in China, are there not differing views before a 'consensus' is arrived at... or does everyone think the same like a bunch of robots? Don't the head honchos ever sit down and discuss the alternatives?

THAT is what political division is about, son - it's not about hate.... it's about looking for the best solutions..... and people in red or blue 'states' simply see one way predominantly.... nothing to do with hate.

What you see as 'hate' is robust discussion and argument over issues in pursuit of the best solutions, rather than slavishly accepting what you are given.

If you imagine that the West is divided and riven, and weak due to internal disputes - you could never be more wrong...... don't make that mistake.

Enjoy ......

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Reply #166 - May 16^th, 2022 at 7:09pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 16^th, 2022 at 1:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 13^th, 2022 at 10:10pm:

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2022 at 9:52pm:

One day the knives are going to come out for the the CCP. It has been killing and lying to the Chinese people for too long.

Do 40% of Chinese - 600 million people - think the other 800 million are evil?

Do they have the option of totally free thought - or is their thought proscribed?

So we have two contrasting systems:

One in which government is by consensus arrived at by engagement of the entire population, from the local up to the national level; the other by election achieved with 50% + 1.

Of course free-thinking is possible in either system, but awareness of self-interested individuals working against collective well-being is another matter.

Meanwhile the level of education in either system is critical; Murdoch's control of political thought in the US and Oz is disastrous.

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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #167 - May 16^th, 2022 at 8:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 16^th, 2022 at 7:09pm:

So we have two contrasting systems:

One in which government is by consensus arrived at by engagement of the entire population, from the local up to the national level; the other by election achieved with 50% + 1.

Of course free-thinking is possible in either system, but awareness of self-interested individuals working against collective well-being is another matter.

Meanwhile the level of education in either system is critical; Murdoch's control of political thought in the US and Oz is disastrous.

The Chinese people have no choice in who governs them; and to become a CCP official requires bribery and connections.

The Chinese people are free to think (only because private thoughts cannot be scrutinised by the state). The Chinese people are not free to express criticism of the CCP without the risk of arrest, jail, disappearance or murder.

The Chinese people are as capable of self-interest as any other people, with corruption protected from exposure and scrutiny by prohibiting free media reporting.

The last time the Chinese people protested was in 1989 and not just in Tiananmen Square - that was only what the rest of the world witnessed due to foreign media present in Beijing. Brutal oppression occurred simultaneously across cities throughout China; the true murder-toll will never be known.

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Reply #169 - May 17^th, 2022 at 6:27pm

There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 10:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 7:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 10:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution?

Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year?

I would think they are as fraudulent

Do you think the CCP is fraudulent?

No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi.

But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

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Reply #170 - May 17^th, 2022 at 7:18pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 6:27pm:

There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 10:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 7:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 10:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution?

Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year?

I would think they are as fraudulent

Do you think the CCP is fraudulent?

No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi.

But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

This is another propaganda myth created by
the malevolent aggressive West.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #171 - May 17^th, 2022 at 7:24pm

athos wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 7:18pm:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 6:27pm:

There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 10:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 7:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 10:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution?

Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year?

I would think they are as fraudulent

Do you think the CCP is fraudulent?

No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi.

But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

This is another propaganda myth created by
the malevolent aggressive West.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NjkRwHpaE[]

A white monkey walking free and eating a burger. I'm sure that brings a lot of comfort to the 400 million Chinese who are locked down.

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up? Reply #173 - May 20^th, 2022 at 2:25pm Jake Winker Frogen wrote on May 7^th, 2022 at 3:38pm: The Democratic West has to believe in its ideals and self again or write a suicide note before far more brutal cultures. That is the choice. What culture is more brutal than the far right? LOL!!!!
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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #174 - May 20^th, 2022 at 2:25pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 6:27pm:

There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 10:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 7:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 10:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution?

Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year?

I would think they are as fraudulent

Do you think the CCP is fraudulent?

No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi.

But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

No one is starving in China. The media makes up stories to feed your racism

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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #175 - May 20^th, 2022 at 2:28pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2022 at 6:26pm:

*falls about laughing*

No - the Despotic Oligarchic Expansionist Non-Democrats are falling into our trap ... cunning, no? Like every fool in history they figure that having all control over everything is better than trading and just getting along... never worked yet and never will.

Notice the refugees from Ukraine are happy to come here - just like everyone else.... ever wonder why that is? All your stable mates can't be party members or plants trying to become a Fifth Column here and buy it all up... most of them want to get away from your style of government.....

The last little slant-eye or Slav who tried that came a cropper, so don't go dictating terms to us until you're marching down George Street!!

Are you over 65 to be this openly racist?

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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #176 - May 20^th, 2022 at 10:39pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 6:27pm:

But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

In the 60's, Mao's macro economic policies failed. You are fraudulently tarring the present CCP under Xi - 50 years later - with the same failures.

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Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

No-one unleashed a virus. Pandemics arise when they will.

Moreover you can't even recognize the Oz housing market is a free-market-based bubble, ripe for failure.

To be expected from a market ideologue who hijacked a discussion from public funding (via MMT) to privatization..."FTW".

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Reply #177 - May 21^st, 2022 at 1:36pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 2:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 6:27pm:

There is no consensus in Chinese politics. The Chinese people did not consent to the CCP starving 50 million of them to death. Or covering up the covid outbreak and letting it run rampant over Chinese new year. That happened because the CCP apparatus of state is a lie machine. Lies go down to the people and up to the decision makers. Both remain ignorant of what is actually happening.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 10:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2022 at 7:18am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 10:25pm:

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

What would you think of a group of leaders that kill 50 million Chinese people because they want to tell each other convenient lies about food distribution?

Or that unleash a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year?

I would think they are as fraudulent

Do you think the CCP is fraudulent?

No. The CCP has markedly reduced corruption under Xi.

But what about starving 50 million Chinese people to death with the Great Chinese Famine. Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

Or unleashing a deadly virus on the world because they tell each other convenient lies about it in the leadup to Chinese new year? Does that make the CCP fraudulent?

No one is starving in China. The media makes up stories to feed your racism.

Unlike western globalist propaganda Mathematics and statistics do not lie.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #178 - May 21^st, 2022 at 1:59pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 2:28pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2022 at 6:26pm:

*falls about laughing*

No - the Despotic Oligarchic Expansionist Non-Democrats are falling into our trap ... cunning, no? Like every fool in history they figure that having all control over everything is better than trading and just getting along... never worked yet and never will.

Notice the refugees from Ukraine are happy to come here - just like everyone else.... ever wonder why that is? All your stable mates can't be party members or plants trying to become a Fifth Column here and buy it all up... most of them want to get away from your style of government.....

The last little slant-eye or Slav who tried that came a cropper, so don't go dictating terms to us until you're marching down George Street!!

Are you over 65 to be this openly racist?

Australia desperately needs Anglo-Yobbo denazification.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #179 - May 21^st, 2022 at 3:34pm

athos wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 1:59pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 20^th, 2022 at 2:28pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2022 at 6:26pm:

*falls about laughing*

No - the Despotic Oligarchic Expansionist Non-Democrats are falling into our trap ... cunning, no? Like every fool in history they figure that having all control over everything is better than trading and just getting along... never worked yet and never will.

Notice the refugees from Ukraine are happy to come here - just like everyone else.... ever wonder why that is? All your stable mates can't be party members or plants trying to become a Fifth Column here and buy it all up... most of them want to get away from your style of government.....

The last little slant-eye or Slav who tried that came a cropper, so don't go dictating terms to us until you're marching down George Street!!

Are you over 65 to be this openly racist?

Australia desperately needs Anglo-Yobbo denazification.

I am pleased all the far right Reclaim Australia trash merely cry on the internet as their world burns down. Pass the petrol

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