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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #45 - May 9th, 2022 at 12:37pm
 
athos wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 3:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 3:15pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 2:45pm:
Yet eerily in sync with the CCP's propaganda and misinformation arm of its security bureau with training their prostitutes.


Only to a deluded "individual rights" ideologue whose perception of reality is grossly distorted by that blind instinct-based ideology.

You're eating too many dried grasshopper legs.

What is it about CCP prostitutes? The more you read their posts, the more they sound like scientologists.


What about ASIO (MI6) bot prostitutes who work for the dole?
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Reply #46 - May 9th, 2022 at 12:44pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 9:52pm:
Funny thing is - in Arab ME nations that don't shoot themselves in the foot all the time with their petty rivalries and infighting - the locals retain a significant proportion of the profits from petroleum, and sell petrol etc to their own people at fantastic prices compared to what we pay.


"Fantastic"? Certainly cheap:  petrol in Saudi Arabia is c. 60 cents /litre. (US cents).

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If you wish to argue that the social arrangements in those nations mean that the top dogs get most and trickle-down is minimal etc - address that -



That's the situation the world over

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but clearly there is no US/UK monopoly in the ME these days.... fair trade and negotiation works!!


Nonsense. OPEC is a cartel, yet meanwhile Western companies are ripping off entire nations eg Nigeria.

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Petrol $0.88 Au in Saudi - $1.78 here ........ courtesy of the global economy... and it's far worse for diesel fuel.... $0.23 there - nearly $2.00 here.

You got it yet?


Already addressed. But Venzuela and Iran are crippled by US sanctions, and Nigerai is being raped by Shell.

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I blame the global economy - YOU? 


So do I. But unlike you, I correctly lay the blame at the feet of international financiers controlled by the current global hegemon the US and its agencies the IMF (Instant Misery Fund) and the World Bank. 

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Oh - and the feminists for removing the balls from the west.....


I knew you would come up with the wrong reasons....

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No nation, culture or civilisation ruled by women has ever survived the first onslaught of the next patriarchal society to come along and challenge it... nor will the west if it continues its downward spiral into control by the pussy


Otoh, you will be complicit in extinction of life on the planet, in the age of MAD, if you insist on a nuclear- arms race to settle disputes between nations. 


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......  BTW QE lasted one reign... QE II the same.... I'll miss Liz when she goes - the last of a good or better lot.


Contradicting your 'anti-pussy' rant above....

Cleopatra? Thatcher? (never mind...)

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Fancy meeting you here
Under this current sky
Countless times we'd like to
Know the total reason why
Yearly cost of fuel just goes
Openly to the sky
Up!


You demonstrably  have no clue about macro- economics and finance, either at the national or global arena.

Check the MMT thread to begin to learn something. 
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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #47 - May 9th, 2022 at 12:54pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:37pm:
-whataboutism-
Enter-the-bot-/-other-CCP-prostitute.-


You are not qualified to speak about -whataboutism- , since you are blinded by your instinctive, delusional  "freedom" ideology.
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Reply #48 - May 9th, 2022 at 1:00pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:37pm:
athos wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 3:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 3:15pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 2:45pm:
Yet eerily in sync with the CCP's propaganda and misinformation arm of its security bureau with training their prostitutes.


Only to a deluded "individual rights" ideologue whose perception of reality is grossly distorted by that blind instinct-based ideology.

You're eating too many dried grasshopper legs.

What is it about CCP prostitutes? The more you read their posts, the more they sound like scientologists.


What about ASIO (MI6) bot prostitutes who work for the dole?
Grin

-whataboutism-
Enter-the-bot-/-other-CCP-prostitute.-


Western so-called "freedom and democracy" is opium for morons like you.
None of this exists in the West except two party cartels backed by oligarchy and corporate fascism.
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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #49 - May 9th, 2022 at 1:03pm
 
athos wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 1:00pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:37pm:
athos wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 3:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 3:15pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 2:45pm:
Yet eerily in sync with the CCP's propaganda and misinformation arm of its security bureau with training their prostitutes.


Only to a deluded "individual rights" ideologue whose perception of reality is grossly distorted by that blind instinct-based ideology.

You're eating too many dried grasshopper legs.

What is it about CCP prostitutes? The more you read their posts, the more they sound like scientologists.


What about ASIO (MI6) bot prostitutes who work for the dole?
Grin

-whataboutism-
Enter-the-bot-/-other-CCP-prostitute.-


Western so-called "freedom and democracy" is opium for morons like you.
None of this exists in the West except two party cartels backed by oligarchy and corporate fascism.

What-questions-do-you-always-ask-as-a-prostitute?-
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Re: Is The Democratic World Just Giving Up?
Reply #50 - May 9th, 2022 at 1:04pm
 
athos wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 1:00pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:37pm:
athos wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 3:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 3:15pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 2:45pm:
Yet eerily in sync with the CCP's propaganda and misinformation arm of its security bureau with training their prostitutes.


Only to a deluded "individual rights" ideologue whose perception of reality is grossly distorted by that blind instinct-based ideology.

You're eating too many dried grasshopper legs.

What is it about CCP prostitutes? The more you read their posts, the more they sound like scientologists.


What about ASIO (MI6) bot prostitutes who work for the dole?
Grin

-whataboutism-
Enter-the-bot-/-other-CCP-prostitute.-


Western so-called "freedom and democracy" is opium for morons like you.
None of this exists in the West except two party cartels backed by oligarchy and corporate fascism.

Saw-the-videos-on-CCP-officials-hoarding-food-to-sell-at-inflated-prices.-
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Reply #51 - May 9th, 2022 at 1:17pm
 
In China, unlike West, political legitimacy is built on competence and experience.

It is widely assumed in the West that the legitimacy of a government comes from universal suffrage and multiparty competitive elections. Yet this assumption raises two issues: First, historically, it is not true ― universal suffrage is a recent development. One can claim, for instance, that U.S. administrations only became truly legitimate in 1965, when African Americans (Or Australian Aborigines) won the right to vote. Furthermore, this practice is confined only to nation-states. It is difficult to imagine that, say, the European Union could establish its legitimacy and play its unifying role on the basis of universal suffrage.

These two points help us better understand why the Chinese sense of legitimacy is vastly different from the Western one. China is not a typical quazi nation (convict)-state but rather a deeply historical and civilizational state. It is an amalgam of the world’s oldest continuous civilization and a huge modern state with its sense of legitimacy rooted deeply in its history. An apt analogy would be to something like the Roman Empire, if it had endured into the 21st century ― with regional and cultural diversities, a modern economy, a centralized government and a population nearly equal to that of 100 average-size European nations combined, speaking thousands of different dialects while sharing one written language.

This kind of state, a product of hundreds of states amalgamated into one over a long history, would become ungovernable if it were to adopt an adversarial political model. Such was the case in China beginning with the 1911 revolution that established the Republic of China. The country attempted to copy the American model and degenerated into chaos, with rival warlords fighting each other and tens of millions of lives lost in the decades that followed.

As a civilizational state, the legitimacy of China’s government is deeply rooted in its own historical tradition, shaped over the millennia since the country was first unified under the Emperor Qin in 221 B.C. China’s one-party governance today may look illegitimate in the eyes of many Westerners but to most Chinese. For most of the past 2,000 years, China has practiced a kind of one-party rule: governance by a unified Confucian elite that was selected through public exams (the keju) and which claimed to represent — or genuinely represented — most, if not all, under heaven. Furthermore, during much of the one-party era, China was arguably better governed, more peaceful and more prosperous than the European states of the same epoch. China began to lag behind Europe when it closed its door to the outside world in the 18th century and missed the Industrial Revolution.

As Francis Fukuyama has observed in his book The Origins of Political Order, “It is safe to say that the Chinese invented modern bureaucracy, that is, a permanent administrative cadre selected on the basis of ability rather than kinship or patrimonial connection.” China’s keju system was long used to select the most talented individuals into leading positions in government.
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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
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Reply #52 - May 9th, 2022 at 1:21pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 12:19pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 8th, 2022 at 8:01pm:
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My conscious cortex brain, to overcome the disastrous effects of the reptilian brain in all of us. 


Your repetitive CCP tropes are too similar to scientology's to be coincidental.


Interesting. So Hubbard was onto something?

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Look up some words from the scientology lexicon.


iirc, something to do with becoming "clear".....


"Achieving the state of Clear means a person has overcome the reactive mind and is in complete control of their analytical mind. According to Hubbard: "A Clear is a being who no longer has his own reactive mind, and therefore suffers none of the ill effects the reactive mind can cause".

Well, I hadn't realized it, but Ron was apparently also aware of the effects of the reptilian brain.

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Wouldn't be hard work for you to weave them into CCP-speak.


I don't have to. The existence of the CCP merely shows Marxist collectivism has a basis in reality.

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I think that's the show right there. Both the CCP and scientology were founded by paranoid psychopaths whose obsession with power established a mechanism by which their respective systems could be exploited by future psychopaths. The crucial difference being that the CCP infected an entire nation.


Addressed and refuted above.


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Try 'suppressive person' and 'squirrel'.


Try addressing my post, or like Lisa and freediver, be  exposed as a debating fraud. 

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Some rules the CCP instructs to its prostitutes to follow:


I have no idea of the "rules the CCP instructs to its prostitutes to follow"...so let's find out:

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1. 'Limit your knowledge of the world. Close you five senses. Limiting the perception and awareness of the five senses makes you deaf and blind to external things [beyond CCP doctrine]'.



The exact description of what happens when the unconscious reptilian brain distorts the cortex brain's capacity for rational thought.

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2. 'Pleasure is like wine; it makes you drunk every day. Destroy your enemies' moral values and beliefs'.


I'm a teetotaler yet can tune into joy everyday. What of "my enemies"?

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3. 'Threaten the people like a knife'.


Sounds like the paranoid narrative of a delusional "freedom" ideologue.

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4. 'Deflect away from the argument. [whataboutism]'.


You are the expert at deflection, being blind. I don't know about the CCP and "whataboutism". The fact remains aboriginals are drinking themselves to death surrounded by broken plonk  bottles on Broome beaches, in a most egregious example of state genocide.  "Whataboutism"?

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5. 'Deny you are paid or instructed by the CCP. Promote yourself as a free thinker'.


I can't speak for the CCP, only for myself;  nor am I instructed by them. 

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As you and the bot, (or the other CCP prostitute here), Athos follow.


Time to drop your nonsense narrative, and confront YOUR delusional, deadly "freedom" ideology. 

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The CCP's modus operandi is identical to scientology.


Well certainly both my - and Hubbard's -  understanding of the schizophrenic nature of the human mind is a given, I don't know of the CCP's awareness of what Jeremy Griffith calls "the (psychotic) human condition"

Hope you are enjoying the siege at Mariupol, courtesy of the delusional "freedom" ideology still directing human affairs, at a time when war needs to be outlawed, in the age of MAD.    
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Reply #53 - May 9th, 2022 at 1:29pm
 
The Communist Party of China has adapted this tradition for modern China, building a system for selecting its leaders based on merit and performance. For example, China’s top decision-makers ― members of the Standing Committee of the CPC Political Bureau, including President Xi Jinping ― have almost all served at least twice as party secretaries or governors of a province, which means, given the size of China’s population, they have administered populations of 100 million or more and performed well before being promoted to their top-echelon positions.

The former approximately refers to public opinion and the latter to the hearts and minds of the people. The terms were first put forward by Mencius, the most famous Confucian philosopher after Confucius himself. Minyi can be fleeting and change overnight, especially in today’s internet age, while minxin tends to be stable and lasting, reflecting the long-term interest of an entire nation. Over the past three decades, the Chinese state has generally practiced rule by minxin. This allows China to plan for the medium and long term, and even for the next generation, rather than for the next 100 days or until the next election, as is the case with many Western democracies.

To sum up, while the West has for so many years promoted the Western political model in the name of universal values, China has pursued its own experiments in the political domain since 1978, drawing lessons from the disastrous Cultural Revolution, in which ideological radicalism expunged China’s governance traditions and dashed people’s hope for prosperity and order. Thanks to this effort, China has since managed to varying degrees of success to reestablish a connection with its own past as well as borrow many useful elements from the West.

China’s meritocratic system today is essentially a mechanism of “selection plus election,” with the former originating from China’s own tradition and the latter imported from the West. Pioneered by China’s late leader Deng Xiaoping, this institutional arrangement has succeeded in ensuring an orderly transition of power over the past three decades. However imperfect, this system is in a position to compete with the Western political model. Indeed, it would be inconceivable for the Chinese system today to produce an awkward leader like U.S. President Donald Trump.

The Chinese experience since 1978 shows that the ultimate test of a political system is how well it ensures good governance as judged by the people. The dichotomy of “democracy versus autocracy” sounds hollow in today’s complex world, given the large number of poorly governed “democracies.” China’s experience may eventually usher in a paradigm shift in international political discourse from democracy versus autocracy to good governance versus bad governance.

Good governance can take the form of the Western political system or a non-Western one. Likewise, bad governance may take the form of the Western political system or a non-Western one. China emphasizes substance over procedures, believing that ultimately the pursuit of substance will evolve and produce the right procedures, appropriate to each nation’s own traditions and conditions.

A plethora of uncertainties are gripping the world today for reasons directly related to how government legitimacy has been defined by the West. It’s high time to pause and reflect that China’s age-old wisdom and well-tested practices may be relevant beyond China.
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Reply #54 - May 9th, 2022 at 2:00pm
 
CCP heads—thugs and career bureaucrats, corrupt to the core.

That is why 400m Chinese are in lockdown, because the idiot Xi pretended there was no COVID in China.

Basically the heads of China—a bunch of nazies!
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Reply #55 - May 9th, 2022 at 2:22pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
The exact description of what happens when the unconscious reptilian brain distorts the cortex brain's capacity for rational thought.

That's a good example of a feature of the Chinese mindset under the CCP.

It has a 19th century village-speak to it.

It's commonly observed in a Chinese pharmacist when traditional Chinese medicine is being discussed.
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Reply #56 - May 9th, 2022 at 2:26pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
I don't have to. The existence of the CCP merely shows Marxist collectivism has a basis in reality.

Even Marx went off his own theories towards the end of his life; and Engels owned a factory exploiting cheap labour from rural Manchester.
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Reply #57 - May 9th, 2022 at 2:59pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 2:00pm:
CCP heads—thugs and career bureaucrats, corrupt to the core.

That is why 400m Chinese are in lockdown, because the idiot Xi pretended there was no COVID in China.

Basically the heads of China—a bunch of nazies!
Worthless ideological rhetoric. 

Go back to sleep, brainless "freedom" war-monger. 
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Reply #58 - May 9th, 2022 at 3:04pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 2:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
The exact description of what happens when the unconscious reptilian brain distorts the cortex brain's capacity for rational thought.

That's a good example of a feature of the Chinese mindset under the CCP.


Whataboutism?
See,  we are all flawed, that is the point. But the CCP at least acknowledges the collective.

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It has a 19th century village-speak to it.

It's commonly observed in a Chinese pharmacist when traditional Chinese medicine is being discussed.


Yes, undoubtedly pockets of superstition still exist in regional China. India and Africa are even more backward.

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Even Marx went off his own theories towards the end of his life; and Engels owned a factory exploiting cheap labour from rural Manchester.


And so the search for good governance on behalf of collective well-being continues (as opposed to merely individual success).
     
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Reply #59 - May 9th, 2022 at 3:12pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 3:04pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 2:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 9th, 2022 at 1:21pm:
The exact description of what happens when the unconscious reptilian brain distorts the cortex brain's capacity for rational thought.

That's a good example of a feature of the Chinese mindset under the CCP.


Whataboutism?
See,  we are all flawed, that is the point. But the CCP at least acknowledges the collective.

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It has a 19th century village-speak to it.

It's commonly observed in a Chinese pharmacist when traditional Chinese medicine is being discussed.


Yes, undoubtedly pockets of superstition still exist in regional China. India and Africa are even more backward.






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