thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 9:39pm:

The net excess deaths in China over the last 2 years are in the millions and could be as high as 15 million.

Granted, China under the CCP is a dump, outside the Tier 1 showcase cities, so the deaths could be attributable to mass food poisoning due to unsanitary handling and storage which is common in China under the CCP as health standards are virtually non-existent there.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 9:58pm:

Whataboutism again. You need to find something else to do with that bottle.

And, no, I mean the hundreds of millions of Chinese people who live in unsanitary conditions due to no health care provision.

MeisterEckhart wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 10:03pm:


.....ie, like Oz aborigines.....

I have a mirror here, but don't ask me for it, it's expensive....

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 10:07pm:


All very human failings.

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How is a vision of eradicating war and poverty "Racist, chauvinist, parochial, narrow minded"?

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A human failing, to be sure.

At the third session of the 13th National People's Congress in 2020 alone, deputies to the NPC put forward 506 motions and 9000 suggestions. The people's Congress system is the cornerstone of China's law making, not just “rubber-stamp”.

I think democracy is a process of universal participation, and every citizen should participate in the formulation of national policies. At the same time, the formulation of national policies should not only listen to public opinions, but also be based on reason and science.
Take China's 14th five year plan as an example. After the government put forward the draft, the NPC solicited opinions and suggestions from the whole society through the Internet and the media. More than one million suggestions have been received from Chinese citizens, many of which have been adopted.
In daily life, any dissatisfaction, complaint and suggestion of Chinese citizens to the government can be submitted through the "12345" system of each city. According to the law, any government department must reply and deal with it within 72 hours until the citizens are satisfied. If some government departments treat it negatively, the performance appraisal of their officials will be greatly affected.

Whether it is democracy in which the head of state is directly elected by vote or multi-level representative democracy in China, I think it’s just different form of democracy.
According to the Munich Security Index in 2021, Chinese people have the highest sense of security in the world. Isn't that exactly the purpose of democracy?

Few people think about why such CPC (CCP) still has the support of 1.4 billion Chinese people.
I'm trying to tell you about China's advantages and why we support the CPC (CCP).

1. China persists in socialism, but doesn't exclude benefits of capitalism.

2. China persists in the leadership of the CPC, but doesn't exclude other parties from supervising the govt.
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3. China's "mix-suitable" economic model is rare in the world. China is neither a complete public ownership economy nor a complete market economy. This mix-suitable mode is very effective.
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4. The policies of the China govt are in keeping with the aspiration of the people. For example, abolishing agricultural taxes, eliminating poverty, giving preferential treatment to ethnic minorities, and actively providing disaster relief etc.

5. China's leadership selection system. The selection of China's senior leaders will take decades to examine, and no interest group can control it.

6. The "whole country system" . If the China govt wants to do anything that we think is important, we can almost succeed because we can use the financial, human and material resources of the whole country to do it without any hindrance. In order to treat the COVID19 patients in Wuhan, we have built a large modern hospital in 10 days.

7. The new generation of young people is becoming the pillars of China. In China's aerospace, nuclear energy, electronics, chips, high-speed rail and other fields, the average age of main force is only 39.4 years old, and 40% of them are returned students abroad .

8. China has the most complete industrial system in the world. From making a needle to making an aircraft carrier, from design to finished product, we don't need any help from other countries if we want to. However, we prefer international cooperation.

9. China has huge financial stocks. China has nearly $4 trillion in reserves and $2.1 trillion in US debt. The China govt's fiscal surplus, bank deposits and other reserves amount to about 8 trillion RMB.

10. China has an independent and innovative Internet ecosystem. Sina, WeChat, Taobao, Alipay, Jingdong, Meituan, DIdi...
These amazing enterprises in a very short period of time to create many unique business models and great value.

11. China has a rare ability of macro-control. The Asian financial crisis and the subprime mortgage crisis made by the US didn't make impact on China. And the possible crisis in China itself has been quickly reduced.

12. China has a huge market. We can drive the market by self consumption. At the same time, China can submerge markets that we think are harmful.

13. China is good at long-term planning. China has implemented 13 five-year plans. "One belt, One road", may be a 50 years plan. The ability to anticipate and presuppose can effectively deal with any crisis.

14. Good govt decisions are handed down from generation to generation. In China, "serving the people" and "reform and opening up" have been in effect for decades. The "five foreign policies of peaceful coexistence" put forward by former Premier Zhou Enlai are still China's diplomatic principles. This is the embodiment of a trustworthy and responsible country.

15. With the development of China in the past 70 years, it has not developed in one field, but in all fields.
In every field, China is definitely the most potential, if not the best in the world.

In this forum, brainwashed people are keen to talk about various doctrines, ideologies and political views unaware of their ignorance and indoctrinated mind. Many of them ridicule and even hate China's political system either because of their racism or other malicious reasons. They tend to regard the 1.4 billion Chinese as no-face slaves. They think that we are all supporters of fanatical dictators, and we have no soul and thoughts of our own.
Since the end of the Qing Dynasty in China, the Chinese have opened the most incredible social experiment in the world. We tried constitutional monarchy, parliamentary system, presidential system, republican system and almost all modern democratic systems. Finally, we have chosen the best of it all, without dogmatic prejudices, that can suite us.

Over the past 70 years, the CPC has transformed China from a backward and semi colonial agricultural country into an advanced and independent industrial country, becoming the second largest economy in the world, with the average life expectancy rising from 35 to 77 years.

Isn't any political system designed to make its country strong and its people live a good life?

We love China, we support the CPC (CCP).
I can't represent all 1.4 billion Chinese, but I think most Chinese people are like me.
China is old and young at the same time with wisdom and enthusiasm. Unlike other confused quasi "nations" we have very strong national and cultural identity and we are very hopeful about the future.

athos wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 8:50am:

We-ridicule-the-CCP-because-it-serves-only-itself-
not-the-Chinese-people;-not-because-of-racism.-
None-of-us-has-a-problem-with-the-Taiwanese-
or-the-Singaporeans-or-the-people-of-Hong-Kong-
even-as-their-society-is-being-raped-by-the-CCP.

Democracy is not the only possible political system that suits every country and "The West is not the best".
Before the West took for granted democracy from the ancient Greeks, they should have at least become acquainted with what Greek thinkers said about democracy like Plato in his work "Republic", where he characterized democracy as one of the worst possible political systems. Plato uses the Republic to criticize democracy, which makes it suitable for mass ignorance, hysteria and, ultimately, tyranny.
And that is exactly what is happening in the West at the moment, from the corrupt two party cartels, to the tyranny of plutocracy and corporate fascism.
Taking for granted democracy without reading Plato's Republic was the same as accepting Christianity without ever having heard of the Bible, and that is exactly what the West has done in its arrogance and ignorance.
Unlike the West, China does not consider democracy as a religion (dogmatic political system) but as a dynamic process with own creative input that aims to achieve prosperity for both the country and the people who live in it.
The Chinese people do not need Western democracy because they are completely happy without it. If the West is satisfied with its democracy, that is fine as long as they keep it to themselves and do not impose it on others. We do not want western decline, we prefer our undisputed progress.