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Reply #165 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:25am

"On the face of it, Sudanese immigrants are over-represented in the crime statistics. About 1% of alleged criminal offenders in Victoria in the year ending September 2017 were Sudanese-born, the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency (CSA) says, while the Sudanese and South Sudanese communities together make up just 0.14% of the state’s total population.

The majority of crimes in Victoria, unsurprisingly, are committed by people born in Australia. The second-highest cohort were New Zealanders, which are the fourth-largest migrant group in Victoria.

The over-representation is a misconception and a misconstruction.

Anthony Kelly, Fitzroy Kensington Community Legal Centre

However, by pulling out particular offences you can highlight certain groups. For example, in charges of riot and affray, people born in Sudan made up 6% of all recorded offenders, compared with 71.5% born in Australia and 5.2% born in New Zealand, a federal parliamentary inquiry reported, citing CSA statistics."

-Guardian 2/1/2018

Regardless of who you like to point your finger at, the vast majority of all groups are law abiding. To try to judge an entire group by the minute criminal element is absurd, and frankly disgusting.

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Re: African crime wave continues in Melbourne.
Reply #166 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:44am

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:45am:

Yougreggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:21am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:15am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:11am:

You are guilty of ad hominem abuse.
You won't win any arguments like that here on Ozpolitic.

No arguments occur because the right are scared of debate. You are a tired old racist, posting a meme doesn't win arguments either, it advertises cowardice. And the POINT of your meme is that racism isn't a big deal, so why do people use racist as an insult?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Racist.jpg

So, the question of if I called you a racist because you are one is irrelevant, right? You can win any argument by being racist, because if I point out that your false premise is racism, I am both correct AND I lose?

Pointing out that there is an African crime wave is not racist -
it's stating a fact.

There is a white Australian crime wave.

This is a fact.

Bollocks.

No, it's true.

Most crime in Australia is carried out by white Australians.

"While there is an overrepresentation of Sudanese-born in Victorian crime statistics, including serious assault, these offenders account for a minority of the actual proportion of crime experienced by Australians.

"You are, in fact, more than 25 times more likely to be seriously assaulted by someone born in Australia or New Zealand than someone born in Sudan or Kenya."

You've been sucked in by selective media coverage, old boy.

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Reply #167 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:44am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:45am:

Yougreggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:21am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:15am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:11am:

You are guilty of ad hominem abuse.
You won't win any arguments like that here on Ozpolitic.

No arguments occur because the right are scared of debate. You are a tired old racist, posting a meme doesn't win arguments either, it advertises cowardice. And the POINT of your meme is that racism isn't a big deal, so why do people use racist as an insult?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Racist.jpg

So, the question of if I called you a racist because you are one is irrelevant, right? You can win any argument by being racist, because if I point out that your false premise is racism, I am both correct AND I lose?

Pointing out that there is an African crime wave is not racist -
it's stating a fact.

There is a white Australian crime wave.

This is a fact.

Bollocks.

No, it's true.

Most crime in Australia is carried out by white Australians.

"While there is an overrepresentation of Sudanese-born in Victorian crime statistics, including serious assault, these offenders account for a minority of the actual proportion of crime experienced by Australians.

"You are, in fact, more than 25 times more likely to be seriously assaulted by someone born in Australia or New Zealand than someone born in Sudan or Kenya."

You've been sucked in by selective media coverage, old boy.

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He even admitted he watches channel 7!!!!

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Re: African crime wave continues in Melbourne.
Reply #168 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:55am

Linus wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:25am:

"On the face of it, Sudanese immigrants are over-represented in the crime statistics. About 1% of alleged criminal offenders in Victoria in the year ending September 2017 were Sudanese-born, the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency (CSA) says, while the Sudanese and South Sudanese communities together make up just 0.14% of the state’s total population.

The majority of crimes in Victoria, unsurprisingly, are committed by people born in Australia. The second-highest cohort were New Zealanders, which are the fourth-largest migrant group in Victoria.

The over-representation is a misconception and a misconstruction.

Anthony Kelly, Fitzroy Kensington Community Legal Centre

However, by pulling out particular offences you can highlight certain groups. For example, in charges of riot and affray, people born in Sudan made up 6% of all recorded offenders, compared with 71.5% born in Australia and 5.2% born in New Zealand, a federal parliamentary inquiry reported, citing CSA statistics."

-Guardian 2/1/2018

Regardless of who you like to point your finger at, the vast majority of all groups are law abiding. To try to judge an entire group by the minute criminal element is absurd, and frankly disgusting.

Australians - except Aborigines - are not over-represented in crime stats. Africans, Maoris, Islanders, Arabs are. Why?

Importantly, where are they 'vast majority law abiding communities' to reign in the 'tiny minority' of criminals? Where is the African, Islander, Muslim, Aboriginal community and their wonderful vibrant enriching cultural goodness when it comes to reigning in their own young???

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Reply #169 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:02am

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:55am:

Australians - except Aborigines - are not over-represented in crime stats. Africans, Maoris, Islanders, Arabs are. Why?

Importantly, where are they 'vast majority law abiding communities' to reign in the 'tiny minority' of criminals? Where is the African, Islander, Muslim, Aboriginal community and their wonderful vibrant enriching cultural goodness when it comes to reigning in their own young???

List all the things you did to stop Tarrant. You were almost certainly on the same forums as him. Mostly white men in Australia kill one woman a week. What have you done to stop them? WHERE ARE YOU WHEN WHITE PEOPLE COMMIT CRIME!!!

The suggestion that communities in Australian society are segregated by race reflects your worldview, not reality.

I've answered your question. Recent immigrant communities are mostly young, creating more young people in the overall population number, to commit crime

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Reply #170 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:26am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:44am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:45am:

Yougreggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:36am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:21am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:15am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 9:11am:

You are guilty of ad hominem abuse.
You won't win any arguments like that here on Ozpolitic.

No arguments occur because the right are scared of debate. You are a tired old racist, posting a meme doesn't win arguments either, it advertises cowardice. And the POINT of your meme is that racism isn't a big deal, so why do people use racist as an insult?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Racist.jpg

So, the question of if I called you a racist because you are one is irrelevant, right? You can win any argument by being racist, because if I point out that your false premise is racism, I am both correct AND I lose?

Pointing out that there is an African crime wave is not racist -
it's stating a fact.

There is a white Australian crime wave.

This is a fact.

Bollocks.

No, it's true.

Most crime in Australia is carried out by white Australians.

"While there is an overrepresentation of Sudanese-born in Victorian crime statistics, including serious assault, these offenders account for a minority of the actual proportion of crime experienced by Australians.

"You are, in fact, more than 25 times more likely to be seriously assaulted by someone born in Australia or New Zealand than someone born in Sudan or Kenya."

You've been sucked in by selective media coverage, old boy.

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He even admitted he watches channel 7!!!!

Oh Jesus

I actually had the misfortune of seeing some of the Channel 7 "News" the other day.

Still the same old crap:

- footballer behaves badly

- car drives into house

- shark swims in ocean

- things are expensive

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Reply #171 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 12:28pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 11:02am:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:55am:

Australians - except Aborigines - are not over-represented in crime stats. Africans, Maoris, Islanders, Arabs are. Why?

Importantly, where are they 'vast majority law abiding communities' to reign in the 'tiny minority' of criminals? Where is the African, Islander, Muslim, Aboriginal community and their wonderful vibrant enriching cultural goodness when it comes to reigning in their own young???

List all the things you did to stop Tarrant.

You were almost certainly on the same forums as him. Mostly white men in Australia kill one woman a week. What have you done to stop them? WHERE ARE YOU WHEN WHITE PEOPLE COMMIT CRIME!!!

The suggestion that communities in Australian society are segregated by race reflects your worldview, not reality.

I've answered your question. Recent immigrant communities are mostly young, creating more young people in the overall population number, to commit crime

What we did was continually warn everyone of the folly of mass immigration and the dangers of a non-negotiable non-discriminatory immigration policy viewed as a by-partisan policy of the Libs and Labs ... and this applied to the two major parties in NZ as well, and also in other Western nations

Our warnings were rebuffed at every turn, and are still being rebuffed

So called "humanists" such yourself pulled the trigger just as much as Tarrant did, you simply won't listen nor will you learn ... neglecting the problems inherent with mixing races and mixing cultures, is inviting malfunction of a society ... and nutcases like you ensure the malfunction will go on into eternity if your insanity is not called out

The Libs and Labs non-negotiable by-partisan policies are the enemy of the nation and democracy .. and our Nation is going down hill fast, but then again, you don't believed in nations, do you?

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Reply #172 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 12:37pm

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:55am:

Linus wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:25am:

"On the face of it, Sudanese immigrants are over-represented in the crime statistics. About 1% of alleged criminal offenders in Victoria in the year ending September 2017 were Sudanese-born, the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency (CSA) says, while the Sudanese and South Sudanese communities together make up just 0.14% of the state’s total population.

The majority of crimes in Victoria, unsurprisingly, are committed by people born in Australia. The second-highest cohort were New Zealanders, which are the fourth-largest migrant group in Victoria.

The over-representation is a misconception and a misconstruction.

Anthony Kelly, Fitzroy Kensington Community Legal Centre

However, by pulling out particular offences you can highlight certain groups. For example, in charges of riot and affray, people born in Sudan made up 6% of all recorded offenders, compared with 71.5% born in Australia and 5.2% born in New Zealand, a federal parliamentary inquiry reported, citing CSA statistics."

-Guardian 2/1/2018

Regardless of who you like to point your finger at, the vast majority of all groups are law abiding. To try to judge an entire group by the minute criminal element is absurd, and frankly disgusting.

Australians - except Aborigines - are not over-represented in crime stats. Africans, Maoris, Islanders, Arabs are. Why?

Importantly, where are they 'vast majority law abiding communities' to reign in the 'tiny minority' of criminals? Where is the African, Islander, Muslim, Aboriginal community and their wonderful vibrant enriching cultural goodness when it comes to reigning in their own young???

It fluctuates over time due to socio-economic factors, and no ethnic group is more intrinsically corrupt than another. In another era, you'd be railing against the Irish, for example.

And the perpetrators of crime represent an iota in any group. The only people worthy of your pharisee-like condemnation are the actual perpetrators themselves. Smearing everyone else in a group that isn't responsible is a pointless,worthless and absurd exercise.

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Reply #173 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 12:39pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 12:28pm:

What we did was continually warn everyone of the folly of mass immigration and the dangers of a non-negotiable non-discriminatory immigration policy viewed as a by-partisan policy of the Libs and Labs ... and this applied to the two major parties in NZ as well, and also in other Western nations

Our warnings were rebuffed at every turn, and are still being rebuffed

So called "humanists" such yourself pulled the trigger just as much as Tarrant did, you simply won't listen nor will you learn ... neglecting the problems inherent with mixing races and mixing cultures, is inviting malfunction of a society ... and nutcases like you ensure the malfunction will go on into eternity if your insanity is not called out

The Libs and Labs non-negotiable by-partisan policies are the enemy of the nation and democracy .. and our Nation is going down hill fast, but then again, you don't believed in nations, do you?

You don't care how many people immigrate. You care about their skin colour. We've never had 'mass migration'.

Yes, we ignore your racist bullshit. We hate you

"neglecting the problems inherent with mixing races and mixing cultures, is inviting malfunction of a society "

This is actual Nazism LOL.

Society hates you mate

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Reply #174 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 1:10pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 12:39pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 12:28pm:

What we did was continually warn everyone of the folly of mass immigration and the dangers of a non-negotiable non-discriminatory immigration policy viewed as a by-partisan policy of the Libs and Labs ... and this applied to the two major parties in NZ as well, and also in other Western nations

Our warnings were rebuffed at every turn, and are still being rebuffed

So called "humanists" such yourself pulled the trigger just as much as Tarrant did, you simply won't listen nor will you learn ... neglecting the problems inherent with mixing races and mixing cultures, is inviting malfunction of a society ... and nutcases like you ensure the malfunction will go on into eternity if your insanity is not called out

The Libs and Labs non-negotiable by-partisan policies are the enemy of the nation and democracy .. and our Nation is going down hill fast, but then again, you don't believed in nations, do you?

You don't care how many people immigrate. You care about their skin colour. We've never had 'mass migration'.

Yes, we ignore your racist bullshit. We hate you

"neglecting the problems inherent with mixing races and mixing cultures, is inviting malfunction of a society "

This is actual Nazism LOL.

Society hates you mate

Keep hating, it's all you're good for ... you're a Nazi yourself, it probably comes from your German blood

This is the only language African darkies understand ... being a German Nazi, you'd love this

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Reply #176 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 1:15pm

Linus wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:55am:

Linus wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:25am:

"On the face of it, Sudanese immigrants are over-represented in the crime statistics. About 1% of alleged criminal offenders in Victoria in the year ending September 2017 were Sudanese-born, the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency (CSA) says, while the Sudanese and South Sudanese communities together make up just 0.14% of the state’s total population.

The majority of crimes in Victoria, unsurprisingly, are committed by people born in Australia. The second-highest cohort were New Zealanders, which are the fourth-largest migrant group in Victoria.

The over-representation is a misconception and a misconstruction.

Anthony Kelly, Fitzroy Kensington Community Legal Centre

However, by pulling out particular offences you can highlight certain groups. For example, in charges of riot and affray, people born in Sudan made up 6% of all recorded offenders, compared with 71.5% born in Australia and 5.2% born in New Zealand, a federal parliamentary inquiry reported, citing CSA statistics."

-Guardian 2/1/2018

Regardless of who you like to point your finger at, the vast majority of all groups are law abiding. To try to judge an entire group by the minute criminal element is absurd, and frankly disgusting.

Australians - except Aborigines - are not over-represented in crime stats. Africans, Maoris, Islanders, Arabs are. Why?

Importantly, where are they 'vast majority law abiding communities' to reign in the 'tiny minority' of criminals? Where is the African, Islander, Muslim, Aboriginal community and their wonderful vibrant enriching cultural goodness when it comes to reigning in their own young???

It fluctuates over time due to socio-economic factors, and no ethnic group is more intrinsically corrupt than another. In another era, you'd be railing against the Irish, for example.

And the perpetrators of crime represent an iota in any group. The only people worthy of your pharisee-like condemnation are the actual perpetrators themselves. Smearing everyone else in a group that isn't responsible is a pointless,worthless and absurd exercise.

So the "community" has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin' when it comes to African or Aboriginal HUGE overrepresentation in crime.
They are just like everyone else - except they are victims of others noticing their overrepresentation in crime, which is everyone else's responsibility and fault.

Got it.

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Reply #177 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 1:20pm

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 1:15pm:

So the "community" has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin' when it comes to African or Aboriginal HUGE overrepresentation in crime.
They are just like everyone else - except they are victims of others noticing their overrepresentation in crime, which is everyone else's responsibility and fault.

Got it.

'the community' does not exist. Sudanese kids who commit crime don't attend a weekly zoom meeting of all sudanese Aussies and ask them to vote on if they should break the law.

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Reply #178 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 1:23pm

A lot of British wealth was established on the back of piracy. I guess what was good for the goose is good for the gander. Grin

In any case, that African piracy has a lot to do with European fishing vessels illegally fishing in their waters and depleting local fish stock. Thus depriving locals of their livelihood.

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Reply #179 - Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 1:31pm

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 1:15pm:

Linus wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:55am:

Linus wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2022 at 10:25am:

"On the face of it, Sudanese immigrants are over-represented in the crime statistics. About 1% of alleged criminal offenders in Victoria in the year ending September 2017 were Sudanese-born, the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency (CSA) says, while the Sudanese and South Sudanese communities together make up just 0.14% of the state’s total population.

The majority of crimes in Victoria, unsurprisingly, are committed by people born in Australia. The second-highest cohort were New Zealanders, which are the fourth-largest migrant group in Victoria.

The over-representation is a misconception and a misconstruction.

Anthony Kelly, Fitzroy Kensington Community Legal Centre

However, by pulling out particular offences you can highlight certain groups. For example, in charges of riot and affray, people born in Sudan made up 6% of all recorded offenders, compared with 71.5% born in Australia and 5.2% born in New Zealand, a federal parliamentary inquiry reported, citing CSA statistics."

-Guardian 2/1/2018

Regardless of who you like to point your finger at, the vast majority of all groups are law abiding. To try to judge an entire group by the minute criminal element is absurd, and frankly disgusting.

Australians - except Aborigines - are not over-represented in crime stats. Africans, Maoris, Islanders, Arabs are. Why?

Importantly, where are they 'vast majority law abiding communities' to reign in the 'tiny minority' of criminals? Where is the African, Islander, Muslim, Aboriginal community and their wonderful vibrant enriching cultural goodness when it comes to reigning in their own young???

It fluctuates over time due to socio-economic factors, and no ethnic group is more intrinsically corrupt than another. In another era, you'd be railing against the Irish, for example.

And the perpetrators of crime represent an iota in any group. The only people worthy of your pharisee-like condemnation are the actual perpetrators themselves. Smearing everyone else in a group that isn't responsible is a pointless,worthless and absurd exercise.

So the "community" has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin' when it comes to African or Aboriginal HUGE overrepresentation in crime.
They are just like everyone else - except they are victims of others noticing their overrepresentation in crime, which is everyone else's responsibility and fault.

Got it.

Obviously, you didn't get it, Frank. The current over-representation is meaningless over time. What didn't you get about the Irish once being over-represented in crime in a different time?

What didn't you get about the fact that if one person commits a crime it hasn't got anything to do with someone else who hasn't committed a crime?

I mean Frank are you a mass-murderer because someone who looks like you perpetrated such a crime? Is the burden of Tarrant's atrocity on your shoulders?

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