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Reply #615 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 5:33pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:47pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:21pm:
lee wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 2:08pm:
Norway, the country that exports Oil and Gas. The renewables from hydro. Roll Eyes


That's why we will need a new global financial system, to manage the transition from coal and gas ASAP.

FF exporters have to transition ASAP,  along with everyone else.


Bwian who is going to control this brand new global financial system?



The people already gathered in various forums around the world examining how to deal with the crippling developing-nation debt crisis - and how to achieve a global transition - including those nations -  to renewables ASAP, will decide on the control mechanism. 


That’s right ....a handful of new elites. Gotcha.

God you can’t possibly be this much of a tosspot ... can you? You’re merely wanting to swap one group of elites for another and you couldn’t give a fat rat’s clacker if millions of human beings died in the process! How do I know this? Because you yourself said so. Here 👇


Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 8:25pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:08pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2023 at 1:39pm:
I find your efforts to defend the CCP's killing of 50 million people with their lies and incompetence rather alarming.




Of course you do; you find the idea of rule of law on behalf of collective well-being alarming.




I think I’ll leave that as is. NotsoGreat’s remarkable and unique brand of insanity needs an opportunity to shine 😐

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Reply #616 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 6:10pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 5:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:47pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:21pm:
lee wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 2:08pm:
Norway, the country that exports Oil and Gas. The renewables from hydro. Roll Eyes


That's why we will need a new global financial system, to manage the transition from coal and gas ASAP.

FF exporters have to transition ASAP,  along with everyone else.


Bwian who is going to control this brand new global financial system?



The people already gathered in various forums around the world examining how to deal with the crippling developing-nation debt crisis - and how to achieve a global transition - including those nations -  to renewables ASAP, will decide on the control mechanism. 


[highlight]That’s right ....a handful of new elites. Gotcha.
 

No; the new director of the  World Bank is not "elite"; and a new generation of financiers is seeking new solutions as required in a climate constrained world. 

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You’re merely wanting to swap one group of elites for another and you couldn’t give a fat rat’s clacker if millions of human beings died in the process!


Wrong on both counts, as expected from a blind 'survival of the fittest' ideologue.

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How do I know this? Because you yourself said so. Here


This will be funny (or more likely,  excruciating), coming from a blind "personal sovereignty" ideologue:

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killing of 50 million people with their lies and incompetence rather alarming.


Er... please note: the "killing of 50 million people" is NOT 'the collective welfare'.... Are you brain-damaged? 

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Of course you do; you find the idea of rule of law on behalf of collective well-being alarming.


Correct, and like Fraud Diver, you do too. 

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I think I’ll leave that as is. NotsoGreat’s remarkable and unique brand of insanity needs an opportunity to shine 😐


So...can you explain what part of "collective well-being" you are offended by?
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Reply #617 - Jul 2nd, 2023 at 12:54pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 6:10pm:
No; the new director of the  World Bank is not "elite"; and a new generation of financiers is seeking new solutions as required in a climate constrained world. 


"The Executive Directors of the World Bank today selected Ajay Banga as President of the World Bank for a five-year term beginning June 2, 2023.

Ajay Banga most recently served as Vice Chairman at General Atlantic. Previously, he was President and CEO of Mastercard, a global organization with nearly 24,000 employees. "

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2023/05/03/ajay-banga-selected-1...

Not elite? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 6:10pm:
Er... please note: the "killing of 50 million people" is NOT 'the collective welfare'....



It is to the CCP. Roll Eyes

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Reply #618 - Jul 2nd, 2023 at 2:48pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 12:54pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 6:10pm:
No; the new director of the  World Bank is not "elite"; and a new generation of financiers is seeking new solutions as required in a climate constrained world. 


"The Executive Directors of the World Bank today selected Ajay Banga as President of the World Bank for a five-year term beginning June 2, 2023.

Ajay Banga most recently served as Vice Chairman at General Atlantic. Previously, he was President and CEO of Mastercard, a global organization with nearly 24,000 employees. "

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2023/05/03/ajay-banga-selected-1...

Not elite? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Ok, I withdraw that example. So we must rely on  the new generation of financiers/economists who are seeking new solutions as required in a climate-constrained world.

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It is to the CCP. Roll Eyes


Er... do you condemn Pope Francis for the Spanish Inquisition under Torquemada?

The CCP under Deng to Xi has lifted more people out of people at a faster rate than any nation in history.
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Reply #619 - Jul 2nd, 2023 at 3:22pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 2:48pm:
Ok, I withdraw that example.


So you were wrong again. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 2:48pm:
Er... do you condemn Pope Francis for the Spanish Inquisition under Torquemada?


Wow. Mixing historical fact and current fact. The CCP still practices the NOT collective welfare. How do you explain homelessness otherwise. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 2:48pm:
The CCP under Deng to Xi has lifted more people out of people at a faster rate than any nation in history.


More people out of people? Perhaps you meant poverty.

"But neither Xi nor state media explained how the figures were calculated and what threshold was used, prompting questions about the metrics. In 2019, China’s statistics bureau defined rural poverty as below per capita annual income of 2,300 yuan ($356). Previous officials have defined the poverty line as less than 4,000 yuan ($620) a year, or $1.69 a day — less than the World Bank’s threshold of $1.90 a day and well below the $5.50 a day that economists recommend for upper-middle-income countries."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-poverty-economy-growth/2...

It is easy to say when you control the press. Wink

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Reply #620 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:42am
 
Geologist, Professor Ian Plimer, utterly demolishes the
human-induced "climate emergency" fairy tale in three and a half minutes:



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"[Six of the six] great ice ages started when we had more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than now.
We have 0.04% of that gas in the atmosphere...
Well that means nothing to me, because the atmosphere has changed in its carbon dioxide content from over 20% to now, which is really low in geological time.
If we halved it, all plant life would die, and animals would die."

Video here:

https://watch.adh.tv/cpac-2022/season:2/videos/cpac-2022-prof-ian-plimer
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Reply #621 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 12:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:42am:
Geologist, Professor Ian Plimer, utterly demolishes the
human-induced "climate emergency" fairy tale in three and a half minutes:



https://gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=240,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/previe...


CPAC 2022

Professor Ian Plimer
18m

Watch distinguished Professor Ian Plimer’s presentation at CPAC Australia.
Brought to you by ADH TV.



"[Six of the six] great ice ages started when we had more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than now.
We have 0.04% of that gas in the atmosphere...
Well that means nothing to me, because the atmosphere has changed in its carbon dioxide content from over 20% to now, which is really low in geological time.
If we halved it, all plant life would die, and animals would die."

Video here:

https://watch.adh.tv/cpac-2022/season:2/videos/cpac-2022-prof-ian-plimer


Yet Plimer is being ignored:

https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/nem-s-solar-wind-surge-still-only-...

"The renewables boom is happening at only half the pace needed"

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Reply #622 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 12:24pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 3:22pm:
So you were wrong again. Roll Eyes


Not really, I moved on for the sake of the argument: we don't know yet whether the new World Bank chief is a reformer or not.

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Mixing historical fact and current fact. The CCP still practices the NOT collective welfare. How do you explain homelessness otherwise. Roll Eyes


The CCP is the only government which has recomitted to "common prosperity" (after  China's dabbling in typical Western-type 'housing for investment' policies led to the Evergrande collapse; which is why Xi recently reaffirmed "houses are for living in".

And common prosperity means eliminating the tents occupied by the homeless  on city streets, as we see in major cities in the US, despite the US's 5 times per capita GDP.   

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"But neither Xi nor state media explained how the figures were calculated and what threshold was used, prompting questions about the metrics. In 2019, China’s statistics bureau defined rural poverty as below per capita annual income of 2,300 yuan ($356). Previous officials have defined the poverty line as less than 4,000 yuan ($620) a year, or $1.69 a day — less than the World Bank’s threshold of $1.90 a day and well below the $5.50 a day that economists recommend for upper-middle-income countries."


China has created the world's largest middle class in the shortest time in history. As for the 600 million still in relative poverty - imagine the situation in India whose GDP, and GDP per capita, is only about a fifth China's figures, for roughy the same population in both countries. A mere 5 decades ago India was richer than China.   

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It is easy to say when you control the press. Wink
 

Press bias is always a problem for the truth.
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Reply #623 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 1:08pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 12:24pm:



But YOU believe. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #624 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 1:12pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 12:00pm:
Yet Plimer is being ignored:

https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/nem-s-solar-wind-surge-still-only-...

"The renewables boom is happening at only half the pace needed"



And Plimer doesn't get a mention. Dummy. Roll Eyes

If there is no climate emergency, and the IPCC Physical Science Basis says there is not, there is no need to rush headlong into intermittent power supplies. Roll Eyes
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Reply #626 - Dec 24th, 2023 at 5:51pm
 
As the first week of the COP28 climate talks were winding up in Dubai earlier this month Andrew Forrest managed to secure Joe Biden’s chief climate diplomat, John Kerry, as guest of honour at a party on his ship docked in Dubai Harbour.


Phew... thank God it wasn't his private jet.

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BOM has manipulated temperature records to show a false increase in temperature - 27.02.24


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Reply #628 - Mar 12th, 2024 at 5:47pm
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13184903/How-Greens-leader-Adam-Bandt-s...



How Greens leader Adam Bandt spent thousands on
private jet flights while lecturing you about climate change


    Greens leader splurges on printing
    Adam Bandt also took private jets
   
By David Southwell For Daily Mail Australia

Published: 12:25 AEDT, 12 March 2024


Greens leader Adam Bandt has come under fire for racking up an expenses bill
of almost $1million a year, including hundreds of thousands on printing and two private jet flights.

The anti-fossil fuel campaigner also claimed $12,000 on a taxpayer-provided vehicle and petrol allowance plus $29,000 on government COMCAR trips and taxis, according to figures from the Department of Finance.


Despite his party's core policy of cutting C02 emissions Mr Bandt used two private jets during the 2022 election campaign, landing tax payers with the $23,000 bill.

One flight was between Queensland regional centres Townsville and Rockhampton on March 7.



However, he also took a a $15,000 private plane along the well-travelled Brisbane to Canberra route to attend his party's election campaign launch.

During the year Mr Bandt also spent $57,000 for domestic flights on himself and an eye-watering $372,000 in travel expenses for his 21 staff.

The $963,166 in expenses racked up by Mr Bandt are on top of his $314,000 salary and do not include the wages of his personal staff.

For his personal vehicle use, it is understood Mr Bandt is renting a hybrid model.

Independent MP Dai Le questioned why Mr Bandt used private flights on well-serviced commercial routes considering his climate stance.

'I'm shocked by the news of parliamentarians overspending and surprised by the Greens use of chartered flights when they are the party that opposed the use of fossil fuels,' she told the Daily Telegraph.
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