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Reply #630 - Mar 31st, 2024 at 2:47pm
 
Meanwhile Europe is planning 72GW of gas plant.

"Europe plans to build enough new gas power stations to supply 60 million homes despite a target of decarbonising electricity grids by the middle of the 2030s.

About 72 gigawatts-worth of new gas-fired power stations are planned across the Continent, according to a report from pressure group Beyond Fossil Fuels.

Gas power capacity across the Continent is on track to rise by 27pc under current proposals, despite a promise among G7 nations to decarbonise electricity grids by 2035.

Britain is planning or building more gas-fired power stations than almost any other European country, the analysis found."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/03/27/europe-britain-gas-use-surge-des...

Will those against fossil fuel realise that 100% renewable is not attainable. Even the CSIRO says there must be a mix. Roll Eyes
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Reply #631 - Mar 31st, 2024 at 2:51pm
 
Thanks Lee,
in Victoria we are running out of gas.   Sad
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Reply #632 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 9:04am
 
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Reply #633 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 12:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Thanks Lee,
in Victoria we are running out of gas.


Nope. There is plenty of gas there. The Vic Government doesn't want it extracted. A totally different scenario.
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Reply #634 - Dec 28th, 2024 at 2:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Thanks Lee,
in Victoria we are running out of gas.   Sad

Of all the states, Victoria is a province in acute decline.

Gross state product, a measure of the state’s economy, fell 1.2 per cent per capita across the year. This is the worst of any state apart from WA due to sectoral weakness in parts of the mining industry.

Business insolvencies in Victoria are at their highest. In the September quarter 1038 businesses were lost – 70 per cent more than in the corresponding period a year earlier. The unemployment rate is rivalled only by the Northern Territory, and Victoria’s net debt as a share of GSP is the highest in the country.

These developments were hardly unforeseeable but for many Victorians they have become as unforgivable as the potholed roads that litter the state.

This could have profound consequences for the Prime Minister. The spectre of the 1990 federal election now hangs over the Albanese government like Damocles’ sword.

Former Victorian Liberal premier Jeff Kennett is convinced that the level of anger at Victoria’s Labor government could cost a considerable number of seats at the federal election.

“It is my view that come the federal election, when it is held, the Coalition will pick up a considerable number of seats here,” Kennett tells Inquirer this week.
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Reply #635 - Jan 14th, 2025 at 9:03pm
 
New Hope chairman Robert Millner says the coal miner is relieved more than a decade of lawfare around a mine expansion has come to an end but has issued a dire warning about the impact bureaucracy and approval delays are having on the Australian economy.

The billionaire investor spoke out after the Oakey Coal Action Alliance – represented by the taxpayer-funded Environmental Defender’s Office – waved the white flag in along and bitter legal battle over the New Acland stage 3 expansion in Queensland’s Darling Downs.

New Hope spent more than $100m over the past decade fighting opponents of the New Acland stage 3 expansion.

The Alliance said it was a tough decision to end its legal fight and vowed to maintain the rage against mining projects in an effort to protect farmland and water supplies.

“We are down but not out. We will continue to oppose further expansion of inappropriate mining in closely settled agricultural districts” Alliance secretary Paul King said.

It appears the Alliance, a registered charity, ran out of money to keep fighting despite the EDO representation, and was worried about having substantial costs awarded against it if unsuccessful in an appeal over a water licence for the New Acland mine.
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Mr Millner said red and green tape and approval delays in the resources industry were an Australian-wide problem and not confined to the fossil fuel industry.

“The thing that people don’t realize is everybody’s trying to shut down coal and gas and petroleum, but it takes as long to get an approval for a copper or cobalt mine. I don’t know where people are going to find all these commodities in years to come if all these other things do shut down,” he said.

Mr Millner called for Australia to roll out the equivalent US president-elect Donald Trump’s department of government efficiency (DOGE) to cut red and green tape in the wake of New Hope’s experiences at New Acland over the past 14 years.

The long-time chairman of Washington H Soul Pattinson, which owns the lion’s share of New Hope, said the growing bureaucratic and red tape burden on investors at all levels, including families, and should be a major election issue.

“It has to be (an election issue). Bureaucracy and the time it takes to get anything done is out of control. Look at approval for getting a house? In some shires and suburbs now it’s over 300 days. Thirty years ago, you’d go and put your plans in on a Monday morning and pick them up on a Thursday,” he said.


New Hope received approval to expand the New Acland - an open cut thermal coal mine about 30 kilometres from Oakey - in 2014, but then Queensland premier Campbell Newman got cold feet on the project in the lead up to a state election.
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Reply #636 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 6:14am
 
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Coal industry leaders have blasted the use of taxpayer funds to help with various court cases that cost New Hope Corporation more than a $100m to defend, before the company ultimately secured victory in the fight to expand a Queensland mine.

Coal Australia chief executive Stuart Bocking said the situation faced by New Hope was “intolerable” and sent a terrible message about investment in the nation’s resources industry.

Mr Bocking said some activist groups didn’t care whether they eventually won or lost court cases, as long as they were able to cause long delays and discourage investment.

He said governments and government departments that put mining companies through exhaustive approvals needed to step up in court in defence of projects challenged by activist groups.

One of problems we face now is that many of these activist groups don’t really care whether they win, lose or draw. What emboldens them, what activates them, is delaying these projects and putting proponents to enormous costs, all in the hope that eventually shareholders, investors, funders get cold feet and decide this is all too difficult,” he said.
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Reply #637 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 8:07am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 2:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 31st, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Thanks Lee,
in Victoria we are running out of gas.   Sad

Of all the states, Victoria is a province in acute decline.

Gross state product, a measure of the state’s economy, fell 1.2 per cent per capita across the year. This is the worst of any state apart from WA due to sectoral weakness in parts of the mining industry.

Business insolvencies in Victoria are at their highest. In the September quarter 1038 businesses were lost – 70 per cent more than in the corresponding period a year earlier. The unemployment rate is rivalled only by the Northern Territory, and Victoria’s net debt as a share of GSP is the highest in the country.

These developments were hardly unforeseeable but for many Victorians they have become as unforgivable as the potholed roads that litter the state.

This could have profound consequences for the Prime Minister. The spectre of the 1990 federal election now hangs over the Albanese government like Damocles’ sword.

Former Victorian Liberal premier Jeff Kennett is convinced that the level of anger at Victoria’s Labor government could cost a considerable number of seats at the federal election.

“It is my view that come the federal election, when it is held, the Coalition will pick up a considerable number of seats here,” Kennett tells Inquirer this week.



Victoria is turning into a depression State -

too many taxes and rules.
Payroll taxes, land taxes - you name it - the cost of business is too high
and now add lack of cheap energy and Victoria is closing for business -
the lights are turning off.

It will be the new Calcutta before long -
many 1 bedroom flats have 12 Indians living in them -
there's nowhere proper for many people to live.

This is the result of too many years of Labor.
IQs are low here - at least half of the people are illiterate -
that's why they keep voting for Labor.
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Reply #638 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 10:18am
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 28th, 2024 at 9:04am:
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Put the cows under the solar panels and capture the methane. Win win ?
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Reply #639 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 1:38pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 10:18am:
Put the cows under the solar panels and capture the methane.


Well let's see.

First of all- How is methane (CH4) measured? It is measured in a lab in dry air.
Why dry air? Because it decomposes quickly in the presence of water plus the infrared window is mostly opaque to methane due overlapping with H2O, the primary greenhouse gas.

How is the Global Warming Potential of methane assessed?

It is assessed using equal mass (weight) of CH4 to CO2.

What is the mol weight of CH4? 16g/mol (C=12,H=1)

What is the mol weight of CO2? 44g/mol (C is still 12, O=16)

What is the present volume of CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere? CO2 about 320 425ppmv (parts per million volume), CH4 something less than 2. (1.98ppmv)

Now because CH4 is not only much lighter than CO2 (16/44) = 0.36, but also far less concentration, CH4 would have to increase dramatically. So the equation would be  320 425ppmv/2ppmv and then the whole divided by 0.36 or about 58 590 times.

So death by methane is a non-goer.

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Reply #640 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 2:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 16th, 2025 at 8:07am:
Victoria is turning into a depression State -

too many taxes and rules.
Payroll taxes, land taxes - you name it - the cost of business is too high
and now add lack of cheap energy and Victoria is closing for business -
the lights are turning off.

It will be the new Calcutta before long -
many 1 bedroom flats have 12 Indians living in them -
there's nowhere proper for many people to live.

This is the result of too many years of Labor.
IQs are low here - at least half of the people are illiterate -
that's why they keep voting for Labor.




It's Marxism - no real ownership of land -
you pay rent to own land - it's land taxes.
No ownership of your labor -
the boss pays tax to rent you - payroll taxes.
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