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Reply #105 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:07pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 4:47pm:
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Panther wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 3:39pm:
[quote author=Frank link=1654481464/72#72 date=1654577493]Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
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US - 7.8




Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country




Guns aren't the problem.......


Oh, but they are.

19 children are lying in small graves today because of gunshot wounds.

The bad guy couldn't have shot those little kids to death if he didn't have a gun.

The gun was the root problem.


Well, whenever there is a shooting, there seems to be a gun involved.

Whenever there is a 'good guy with a gun who heroically kills a bad guy with a gun' ....... there are guns involved.


With school shootings whenever there has been a non police good guy with a gun involved on average the result is a higher death toll.

In the most recent school shooting there were about 30 good guys with guns and 21 people died while the good guys did nothing.
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Reply #106 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:08pm
 
Steampipe wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:48pm:
Knives.

It's impossible to die from a knife stab wound without a knife being present.

So, how many times have mass stabbings resulted in the deaths of 19 children in the USA?

How many mass stabbings have there been in the USA?

And, do knives have any purpose other than stabbing?

You can either answer the questions, or move the goalposts again - I'll leave it up to you.

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BLOODY STREETS Britain’s knife epidemic laid bare as cops face 30 blade crimed a DAY across the country


BRITAIN's knife crime epidemic has been laid bare as cops in the worst hit areas of the country face 30 blade incidents every day.

The chilling figures come as a 14-year-old boy appeared in court charged with stabbing 12-year-old Ava White to death in Liverpool.
The new stats reveal forces right across the UK are dealing with thousands of cases every year.

London - the knife crime capital of Britain - recorded a huge 10,130 incidents last year, which is around 27 a day.

The next deadliest spot for knife crime is the West Midlands, where police raced to 4,562 incidents last year.

In Greater Manchester there were 3,073 flashpoints, while West Yorkshire officers recorded 2,200 cases and Essex dealt with 1,589 incidents.

Merseyside, where tragic Ava lost her life, is among the top ten spots in the UK and recorded 1,225 cases last year alone.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16939793/britain-knife-epidemic-laid-bare/


Have you got a link to the story where someone went into a school and killed 21 people with a knife ?

The US have over 100 gun deaths a day.
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Reply #107 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:13pm
 
Steampipe wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:48pm:
Knives.

It's impossible to die from a knife stab wound without a knife being present.

So, how many times have mass stabbings resulted in the deaths of 19 children in the USA?

How many mass stabbings have there been in the USA?

And, do knives have any purpose other than stabbing?

You can either answer the questions, or move the goalposts again - I'll leave it up to you.

Wink


BLOODY STREETS Britain’s knife epidemic laid bare as cops face 30 blade crimed a DAY across the country


BRITAIN's knife crime epidemic has been laid bare as cops in the worst hit areas of the country face 30 blade incidents every day.

The chilling figures come as a 14-year-old boy appeared in court charged with stabbing 12-year-old Ava White to death in Liverpool.
The new stats reveal forces right across the UK are dealing with thousands of cases every year.

London - the knife crime capital of Britain - recorded a huge 10,130 incidents last year, which is around 27 a day.

The next deadliest spot for knife crime is the West Midlands, where police raced to 4,562 incidents last year.

In Greater Manchester there were 3,073 flashpoints, while West Yorkshire officers recorded 2,200 cases and Essex dealt with 1,589 incidents.

Merseyside, where tragic Ava lost her life, is among the top ten spots in the UK and recorded 1,225 cases last year alone.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16939793/britain-knife-epidemic-laid-bare/


I'll ask again:

1. How many times have mass stabbings resulted in the deaths of 19 children in the USA?

2. How many mass stabbings have there been in the USA?

3. Do knives have any purpose other than stabbing?
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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #108 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:19pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:13pm:
Steampipe wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:48pm:
Knives.

It's impossible to die from a knife stab wound without a knife being present.

So, how many times have mass stabbings resulted in the deaths of 19 children in the USA?

How many mass stabbings have there been in the USA?

And, do knives have any purpose other than stabbing?

You can either answer the questions, or move the goalposts again - I'll leave it up to you.

Wink


BLOODY STREETS Britain’s knife epidemic laid bare as cops face 30 blade crimed a DAY across the country


BRITAIN's knife crime epidemic has been laid bare as cops in the worst hit areas of the country face 30 blade incidents every day.

The chilling figures come as a 14-year-old boy appeared in court charged with stabbing 12-year-old Ava White to death in Liverpool.
The new stats reveal forces right across the UK are dealing with thousands of cases every year.

London - the knife crime capital of Britain - recorded a huge 10,130 incidents last year, which is around 27 a day.

The next deadliest spot for knife crime is the West Midlands, where police raced to 4,562 incidents last year.

In Greater Manchester there were 3,073 flashpoints, while West Yorkshire officers recorded 2,200 cases and Essex dealt with 1,589 incidents.

Merseyside, where tragic Ava lost her life, is among the top ten spots in the UK and recorded 1,225 cases last year alone.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16939793/britain-knife-epidemic-laid-bare/


I'll ask again:

1. How many times have mass stabbings resulted in the deaths of 19 children in the USA?

2. How many mass stabbings have there been in the USA?

3. Do knives have any purpose other than stabbing?


When some terrorists used a knife to cut the pilots throat thousands died in America.
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Reply #109 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:20pm
 
Steampipe wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:13pm:
Steampipe wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 7:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 5:48pm:
Knives.

It's impossible to die from a knife stab wound without a knife being present.

So, how many times have mass stabbings resulted in the deaths of 19 children in the USA?

How many mass stabbings have there been in the USA?

And, do knives have any purpose other than stabbing?

You can either answer the questions, or move the goalposts again - I'll leave it up to you.

Wink


BLOODY STREETS Britain’s knife epidemic laid bare as cops face 30 blade crimed a DAY across the country


BRITAIN's knife crime epidemic has been laid bare as cops in the worst hit areas of the country face 30 blade incidents every day.

The chilling figures come as a 14-year-old boy appeared in court charged with stabbing 12-year-old Ava White to death in Liverpool.
The new stats reveal forces right across the UK are dealing with thousands of cases every year.

London - the knife crime capital of Britain - recorded a huge 10,130 incidents last year, which is around 27 a day.

The next deadliest spot for knife crime is the West Midlands, where police raced to 4,562 incidents last year.

In Greater Manchester there were 3,073 flashpoints, while West Yorkshire officers recorded 2,200 cases and Essex dealt with 1,589 incidents.

Merseyside, where tragic Ava lost her life, is among the top ten spots in the UK and recorded 1,225 cases last year alone.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16939793/britain-knife-epidemic-laid-bare/


I'll ask again:

1. How many times have mass stabbings resulted in the deaths of 19 children in the USA?

2. How many mass stabbings have there been in the USA?

3. Do knives have any purpose other than stabbing?


When some terrorists used a knife to cut the pilots throat thousands died in America.


1. How many times have mass stabbings resulted in the deaths of 19 children in the USA?

2. How many mass stabbings have there been in the USA?

3. Do knives have any purpose other than stabbing?
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Reply #110 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 9:38pm
 

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Reply #111 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 9:51pm
 
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Here's the reason people tell me they want to buy an AR-15. And it's simply ludicrous


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/05/opinions/guns-ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-fa...

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Reply #112 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 10:11pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 9:51pm:
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Here's the reason people tell me they want to buy an AR-15. And it's simply ludicrous


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/05/opinions/guns-ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-fa...

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"Some members of the tinfoil hat brigade have come up with the reply, "We need these weapons because we want to be effective against the government if it becomes tyrannical. That's part of our Second Amendment right." Personally, I think that's ludicrous, but it has become an increasingly popular justification for purchasing a semi-automatic rifle."

These people are quite insane.


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Reply #113 - Jun 7th, 2022 at 11:29pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 9:51pm:
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Here's the reason people tell me they want to buy an AR-15. And it's simply ludicrous


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/05/opinions/guns-ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-fa...

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I was posting in this topic last night when I was suddenly called away by a family member. That member is currently very sick with the flu (not Covid19 thank God).

Today my mind kept turning to this topic and the discussion I was having with some of you ... and I found myself wondering if this situation in the USA could ever change. At all. Drugs/guns/mental health ... that's just a recipe for disaster. I mean ordinary people who want to run errands face the real risk of not coming back home safely because of drugs plus guns plus mental illness. That made me feel quite sad. How could you trust your child to go out anywhere ie to the local store or Chemist or Post Office and then return home in 1 piece? Imagine sending your kids to school only to be told that afternoon that they're not coming back home because they were shot dead in their classroom. How does anyone live under such circumstances? I don't think they can. There's too much worry and stress involved when your NORMAL daily experience requires you to negotiate a safe path each day through a minefield whilst filled with hyper vigilance and fear.

So it was with a heavy and burdened heart I returned here tonight expecting to find more negative posts highlighting the despondency of the recurring shooting incidents we've all been hearing about.

What I found though made me breathe a sigh of relief. The article in the above link actually encouraged me. Why? As an Australian it's difficult for me to totally understand Americans and their mentality, way of life etc. I can't even begin to make sense of why every day people would want to own machine guns in the first place.

So I read the article and I do believe with all my heart that the recommendations for reform as put forward by this experienced US police officer are sensible and realistic. He has explained why the current state of play isn't working AND why it places the public AND the police in danger. The solution strategies he's outlined ought to be seriously considered. The question now is this : Will they be seriously considered? Or will they be placed in the "Too Difficult To Action" file instead. I'm hoping and praying for change.
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Reply #114 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 12:24am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 11:29pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 9:51pm:
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Here's the reason people tell me they want to buy an AR-15. And it's simply ludicrous


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/05/opinions/guns-ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-fa...

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I was posting in this topic last night when I was suddenly called away by a family member. That member is currently very sick with the flu (not Covid19 thank God).

What I found though made me breathe a sigh of relief. The article in the above link actually encouraged me. Why? As an Australian it's difficult for me to totally understand Americans and their mentality, way of life etc. I can't even begin to make sense of why every day people would want to own machine guns in the first place.

So I read the article and I do believe with all my heart that the recommendations for reform as put forward by this experienced US police officer are sensible and realistic. He has explained why the current state of play isn't working AND why it places the public AND the police in danger. The solution strategies he's outlined ought to be seriously considered. The question now is this : Will they be seriously considered? Or will they be placed in the "Too Difficult To Action" file instead. I'm hoping and praying for change.


There are a few things in that article i don't agree with nothing new CNN have been peddling fake news for years.

The North Hollywood shootout offenders used illegal full auto rifles. They fired thousands of rounds yet only wounded 11 police none were killed. You would think with all that ammo fired there would have been deaths.

As for the nonsense of AR15 bullets penetrating walls etc the .223 remington ammo is low powered for a rifle round  all centrefire rifles can do that. Many handgun rounds can also go through walls just as easily and shotgun slugs punch much bigger holes in walls.

As for defeating body armour most armour doesn't protect against anything bigger than a .22lr, handgun or shotgun. Same with walls to say a .223 can do it we can add every hunting rifle can do it even easier. The bullet comes out of a .223 hunting rifle faster than AR15 because hunting rifles have longer barrel. The ar15 loses 150-200 feet per second velocity compared to a hunting rifle using the same ammo. The ar has 16 inch barrel hunting rifles are longer at 22-24 inches.

As for velocity being 3 times faster than 9mm handgun yes it's true it's also true no hanguns apart from a .357 or .44 magnum fire projectiles faster than the speed of sound due to them having a really short barrel. With a small round like .22lr handguns can't fire them faster than the spped of sound yet a rifle can. The 9mm handgun fires a much heavier projectile around 2-3 times heavier than .223 rem used in ar15.

As for this guy saying the police shouldn't be outgunned they're not that's BS.

the ar15 is over 50 years old people should be asking why are things like this happening now when they didn't happen in the 1970s-80s when these rifles were much easier to buy

Lets look at this school shooting where 18 year old went into equivalent of our primary school to shoot people people should be asking why that happens instead of blaming the gun.

FBI data shows pistols are the most common firearm used for murder. The Virginia Tech mass shooting was done with pistols. Fists and feet kill twice as many people compared to rifles which include the ar15 in the US.

We had no school shooting deaths before our 1996 gun laws and 3 deaths after at Monash and Latrobe universities. School shootings were never a problem here and our 1996 gun laws didn't stop them happening at Monash and Latrobe.
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Reply #115 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 12:46am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jun 7th, 2022 at 9:51pm:
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Here's the reason people tell me they want to buy an AR-15. And it's simply ludicrous


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/05/opinions/guns-ar-15-uvalde-school-shooting-fa...

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If that guy was an expert instead of a CNN bullshitter he would know you can get the ar15 in 9mm which would be good for self defence.



The Ruger mini 14 is a semi auto fires the same ammo as ar15. How is the ar15 any more deadly than the mini 14?



One of my Australian lady friends moved to the US and got a concealed carry permit. Can you imagine the reaction from her bedwetting hoplophobe friends?   Smiley
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Reply #116 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 10:04am
 
A pertinent, illuminating juxtaposition of cultural degradation:


A Culture That Celebrates Dismembering Children In The Womb Can’t Understand Why It’s Afflicted With Mass Shootings

https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/a-culture-that-celebrates-dismembering-chil
dren-in-the-womb-cant-understand-why-its-afflicted-with-mass-shootings/
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Reply #117 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 10:09am
 
Frank wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 10:04am:
A pertinent, illuminating juxtaposition of cultural degradation:


A Culture That Celebrates Dismembering Children In The Womb Can’t Understand Why It’s Afflicted With Mass Shootings

https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/a-culture-that-celebrates-dismembering-chil
dren-in-the-womb-cant-understand-why-its-afflicted-with-mass-shootings/


"Children In The Womb"?   WTF!   Shocked

How do they get in there?   Undecided
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Reply #118 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 12:10pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 8th, 2022 at 10:04am:
A pertinent, illuminating juxtaposition of cultural degradation:


A Culture That Celebrates Dismembering Children In The Womb Can’t Understand Why It’s Afflicted With Mass Shootings

https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/27/a-culture-that-celebrates-dismembering-chil
dren-in-the-womb-cant-understand-why-its-afflicted-with-mass-shootings/


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Think of all the inferior culture we save from coming into being and bothering you with their tintedness.
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Reply #119 - Jun 12th, 2022 at 9:58am
 
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