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Reply #15 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:21pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 3:32pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 1:42pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 1:24pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 1:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 12:41pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 12:33pm:
the guns arent the root of the problem.


Oh, yes they are.

You can't die from a gunshot wound if there's no gun.




guns have been around forever in the USA and this will continue to be the case.

therefore , this problem is only addressable by dealing with the mental state of the citizens.

interestingly , israel is more heavily "gunned up' then the USA.

but zero mass shootings.

the israeli bounces out of bed with a mission in life to be more then a sloppy soft individual .

this is what the USA needs to do.

teach young men to be strong powerful confident and act with a purpose. (keep them away from self loathing leftie nincompoops)



"Over the past decade, the Anti-Defamation League has counted about 450 U.S. murders committed by political extremists.

"Of these 450 killings, right-wing extremists committed about 75 percent.

"Nearly half of the murders were specifically tied to white supremacists."



450 over a DECADE Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

there are probably that many shootings every WEEK, by young men who lack direction ,due to poor parenting ,attributable to leftie intellectual destruction of the family unit with a strong confident male as a role model  Sad Sad Sad Sad


And the vast majority are right-wingers.

This is an undeniable fact.


Nonsense.


No.

As the data shows, the American political right has a violence problem that has no equivalent on the left.

And the 10 victims in Buffalo this past weekend are now part of this toll.

Right-wing extremist violence is our biggest threat,” Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the ADL, has written. “The numbers don’t lie.”


Violent attacks involving extremist ideology, like the Buffalo rampage, begin to rise in the last decade, but officials are slow to recognize homegrown threats.

"After a white supremacist murders seven people in 2012 at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, congressional hearings are held urging lawmakers to do more about the threat of far-right violence. Instead, the shooting marks the beginning of a surge in lethal attacks by far-right extremists around the country."
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Reply #16 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm
 
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron
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Our esteemed leader:
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Reply #17 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:57pm
 
Yes. Americans should drop their guns and pick up Missile Launchers and Drones that drop grenades. Far more effective than out-dated guns.

Like I said. Foreigners like Australians who virtual signal themselves against Americans are the ones that don't have the balls to do the same against Moslems with guns.

There is a reason why Moslems and their American counterparts have 'guns'. As too does Israel and the American military.

Maybe if Peccary dies for the sins of the gun-owners in America like a Messiah - considering his attitude against guns. Maybe they'll drop their guns - just for him, just for his sacrifice for all those innocent victims. Do it for the children Peccary. Sacrifice your life for the common good. Grin
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Reply #18 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:03pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron



anyone who offers that as a solution is a bona fide moron because the chances that you could do a john howard style "buyback " in america is zero and there are ALWAYS going to be millions upon millions of guns.

acknowleding this, the answer is to improve the mental state of the citizens.

there is no other solution and morons like smith and pecca are just virtue signalling.
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Reply #19 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:22pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron



anyone who offers that as a solution is a bona fide moron because the chances that you could do a john howard style "buyback " in america is zero and there are ALWAYS going to be millions upon millions of guns.

acknowleding this, the answer is to improve the mental state of the citizens.

there is no other solution and morons like smith and pecca are just virtue signalling.


The defeatist attitude of cowards.





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Reply #20 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:46pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron



anyone who offers that as a solution is a bona fide moron because the chances that you could do a john howard style "buyback " in america is zero and there are ALWAYS going to be millions upon millions of guns.

acknowleding this, the answer is to improve the mental state of the citizens.

there is no other solution and morons like smith and pecca are just virtue signalling.


The defeatist attitude of cowards.







incorrect.

you post to virtue signal.
you have no interest in solutions because if you did you would propose them
de-arming america is not a solution , you clown, because it cant happen.

so , the noble aquascoot who actually cares about kids (and doesnt use them as pawns to feed a leftie intellectual ego Roll Eyes) wants to see solutions that work.

like making teenagers in america proud and strong like the teenagers in gun-toting countries like israel, switzerland and finland where no-one is a beaten down chode who massacres kids.
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Reply #21 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:48pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron



anyone who offers that as a solution is a bona fide moron because the chances that you could do a john howard style "buyback " in america is zero and there are ALWAYS going to be millions upon millions of guns.

acknowleding this, the answer is to improve the mental state of the citizens.

there is no other solution and morons like smith and pecca are just virtue signalling.


The defeatist attitude of cowards.







incorrect.

you post to virtue signal.
you have no interest in solutions because if you did you would propose them



Less guns, more checks.

Next!
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Reply #22 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:53pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:48pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron



anyone who offers that as a solution is a bona fide moron because the chances that you could do a john howard style "buyback " in america is zero and there are ALWAYS going to be millions upon millions of guns.

acknowleding this, the answer is to improve the mental state of the citizens.

there is no other solution and morons like smith and pecca are just virtue signalling.


The defeatist attitude of cowards.







incorrect.

you post to virtue signal.
you have no interest in solutions because if you did you would propose them



Less guns, more checks.

Next!



incorrect,

more checks done by whom and on whom ?
nearly all of these shooters have no criminal record.

incorrect,

less guns Roll Eyes

no one in america will ever struggle to find a gun. they are everywhere and always will be.

what is needed is to elevate the mood of the citizenry and also , probably, a media ban on reporting these incidents.
they are becoming self - fulfilling prophecies.



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Reply #23 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:48pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron



anyone who offers that as a solution is a bona fide moron because the chances that you could do a john howard style "buyback " in america is zero and there are ALWAYS going to be millions upon millions of guns.

acknowleding this, the answer is to improve the mental state of the citizens.

there is no other solution and morons like smith and pecca are just virtue signalling.


The defeatist attitude of cowards.







incorrect.

you post to virtue signal.
you have no interest in solutions because if you did you would propose them



Less guns, more checks.

Next!


How about this :

1. Exchange guns for cheques
2. More checks on mental health
3. Update the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution as the US has more than enough nukes to defend themselves.

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Reply #24 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 6:09pm
 
sorry lisa but

americans love their guns the way we love our pets and kids.
its part of their identity.
they wont hand them back, no matter what cash is offered.

and what is the alternative.

go house to house with your own weapons and try to disarm them.

cant be done.

likewise mental health.

100 million americans are almost uninsured.
who is going to examine them?
the police?
that wont fly.
school teachers?
that wont fly.
the guy selling the guns?
that wont fly.

and how many kids and teenagers and adults are misfits anyway.
1/2 the country.
are the police going to respond everytime someone acts a bit deranged on facebook.
they would have time to do nothing else.

and sending cops out at midnight to knock on the door of an armed looney.
that wont go well.

amend the constitution.
cant be done



here is a sneaky solution .

put a massive tax on ammo.

nothing in the second amendment about that.


but , being realistic.
the only solution is to educate kids to be strong resilient confident adults
the opposite of what is being done at the moment.

kids taught they should be self loathing and seeing themselves as carbon dioxide emiting poxes on the planet are always going to be prone to nihilstic attacks on fellow citizens. it is fulfilling the ideology they have been taught
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Reply #25 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 6:24pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 6:09pm:
sorry lisa but

americans love their guns the way we love our pets and kids.
its part of their identity.
they wont hand them back, no matter what cash is offered.

and what is the alternative.

go house to house with your own weapons and try to disarm them.

cant be done.

likewise mental health.

100 million americans are almost uninsured.
who is going to examine them?
the police?
that wont fly.
school teachers?
that wont fly.
the guy selling the guns?
that wont fly.

and how many kids and teenagers and adults are misfits anyway.
1/2 the country.
are the police going to respond everytime someone acts a bit deranged on facebook.
they would have time to do nothing else.

and sending cops out at midnight to knock on the door of an armed looney.
that wont go well.

amend the constitution.
cant be done



here is a sneaky solution .

put a massive tax on ammo.

nothing in the second amendment about that.


but , being realistic.
the only solution is to educate kids to be strong resilient confident adults
the opposite of what is being done at the moment.

kids taught they should be self loathing and seeing themselves as carbon dioxide emiting poxes on the planet are always going to be prone to nihilstic attacks on fellow citizens. it is fulfilling the ideology they have been taught


So are you saying I'm trying to resolve a longstanding US issue with an Aussie mindset? And that won't get me far?

You're probably right.

I have to say ... we Aussies are very different to Americans. And for that I'm very thankful.


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Reply #26 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 6:26pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:48pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron



anyone who offers that as a solution is a bona fide moron because the chances that you could do a john howard style "buyback " in america is zero and there are ALWAYS going to be millions upon millions of guns.

acknowleding this, the answer is to improve the mental state of the citizens.

there is no other solution and morons like smith and pecca are just virtue signalling.


The defeatist attitude of cowards.







incorrect.

you post to virtue signal.
you have no interest in solutions because if you did you would propose them



Less guns, more checks.

Next!


How about this :

1. Exchange guns for cheques


They don't even have to hand any back.

Let the little micropenis crybabies keep the ones they already have, but make fewer and fewer available to fewer and fewer people in the future.

As more guns become available, and more people buy them, there will be more gun fatalities.

If less guns become available, and fewer people buy them, there will be a reduction in gun fatalities.

Year nine maths, innit?


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Reply #27 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 6:34pm
 
Maybe the Confederates are coming back to get revenge against the Blue Democrat Yankees and their Media lies.

...now that Australia exists. Wink
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Reply #28 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 6:36pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 6:26pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:48pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:46pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:22pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 5:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2022 at 4:44pm:
anyone opposed to tightening gun laws in America has to be a bona fide moron



anyone who offers that as a solution is a bona fide moron because the chances that you could do a john howard style "buyback " in america is zero and there are ALWAYS going to be millions upon millions of guns.

acknowleding this, the answer is to improve the mental state of the citizens.

there is no other solution and morons like smith and pecca are just virtue signalling.


The defeatist attitude of cowards.







incorrect.

you post to virtue signal.
you have no interest in solutions because if you did you would propose them



Less guns, more checks.

Next!


How about this :

1. Exchange guns for cheques


They don't even have to hand any back.

Let the little micropenis crybabies keep the ones they already have, but make fewer and fewer available to fewer and fewer people in the future.

As more guns become available, and more people buy them, there will be more gun fatalities.

If less guns become available, and fewer people buy them, there will be a reduction in gun fatalities.

Year nine maths, innit?




Who exactly is manufacturing these guns?

^^^ That's the question I just asked hubby who's watching the news atm. Hubby reckons that all guns in the USA including those used by the military are produced by a few private firms.

Does that sound right to you?

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Reply #29 - Jun 6th, 2022 at 6:40pm
 
OMG! Read this!


The Gun Industry in America - The Overlooked Player in a National Crisis

The national debate over gun violence rarely focuses attention on the role of the gun industry in enabling this public health crisis.

The national conversation about gun violence in the United States focuses primarily on the harms caused by the misuse of firearms—the details of the incidents that take the lives of 40,000 people every year and grievously injure tens of thousands more.1 This debate often occurs in the aftermath of specific gun-related tragedies and tends to focus on the individual who pulled the trigger and what could have been done to intervene with that person to prevent the tragedy.

But largely absent from the national conversation about gun violence is any mention of the industry responsible for putting guns into our communities in the first place.

The gun industry in the United States is effectively unregulated. The laws governing the operation of these businesses are porous and weak. The federal agency charged with oversight of the industry—the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)—has been historically underfunded and politically vulnerable, making it nearly impossible for the agency to conduct consistent, effective regulatory oversight activities. Adding insult to injury, Congress has also imposed restrictions on how ATF can perform this regulatory work through restrictive policy riders on the agency’s budget. Congress has also eliminated some of the most useful tools for ensuring that gun industry actors operate their businesses in the best interests of consumers and are held accountable for harm caused by their products.

The result of this constellation of weak laws, lack of resources, and dearth of political will to support gun industry regulation is that the industry that produces and sells deadly weapons to civilian consumers has operated for decades with minimal oversight from the federal government and almost no accountability in the U.S. legal system.

This is not an idle concern. The United States experiences rates of gun violence that no other high-income nation comes even close to matching.2 This violence persists, even as the number of Americans who choose to own guns has steadily declined.3

Efforts to reduce gun violence that focus solely on the demand side of the problem ignore the role of the gun industry—manufacturers, importers, wholesalers, and retail gun dealers—in manufacturing and distributing the guns that are the instruments of this violence. These supply-side actors make decisions that directly affect the kinds of guns and ammunition that are manufactured and sold, the safety features included on those guns, the commercial channels in which they are sold, and the safeguards in place at the point of sale to prevent gun trafficking and theft.

A crucial component of a comprehensive plan for reducing gun violence in the United States is robust regulation and oversight of the gun industry. It is not enough to simply focus on the individuals who use guns to commit acts of violence—an approach that has contributed to overcriminalization and targeting of communities of color as part of a “tough on crime” approach to criminal justice.4 To truly address all aspects of the gun violence epidemic in this country, policymakers must focus on the role the gun industry plays in enabling and exacerbating this violence.

This report discusses the gaps in the current law regarding gun industry regulation and oversight. It then offers a series of policy solutions to address these gaps, including:

Increasing­­­­­­­­ oversight of gun manufacturers, importers, exporters, and dealers

Requiring licensed gun dealers to implement security measures to prevent theft

Strengthening the National Firearms Act review and determination process

Strengthening oversight of homemade guns, ammunition, and silencers

Giving the Consumer Product Safety Commission authority to regulate guns and ammunition for safety

Repealing the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act

The high rates of gun death experienced in this country are not inevitable or, as some in the gun lobby claim, “the price of freedom.”

There is much more that can be done to provide better oversight and regulation of the gun industry, which would have a significant impact on reducing gun violence and making all of our communities safer.


https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-industry-america/
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