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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #75 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 2:51pm:

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Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

So, the US is number 2 with a bullet.

"Gun-related violence occurs all around the world, including (to a lesser extent) countries in which guns are illegal. However, out of the estimated 250,227 gun-related deaths worldwide in 2019, 65.9% occurred in just six countries: Brazil, the United States, Venezuela, Mexico, India, and Colombia. Gun deaths are considered an epidemic in the United States".

It's not even in the top 10 on a per capita basis. It is a lot safer than the top 10 Latin American countries which have many times greater per capita gun crime - one reason why the traffic is from there to the US (bringing in a fair number of foreign criminals and killers, to add to the locally grown, predominantly black gangsta class).

Culture trumps everything. The Swiss, having 4 different official languages, are culturally more coherent and have a strong bond despite the significant linguistic differences that led to endless wars among those language groups beyond the Swiss border er but not within since there is cultural cohesion and common history and values.

If you have a coherent, cohesive culture you do not have gun or other crime running out of hand. You fragment and divide (the root of "diversity") and you have escalating tribal conflict between mutually hostile and incompatible socially and culturally Balkanised people.

The US is an increasing Disunited States, fragmenting in every possible way, having lost the ability and the will to be a melting pot, ie to assimilate into the common, shared culture.

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #76 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:22pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 10:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 10:19am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 9:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 12:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 6^th, 2022 at 12:33pm:

the guns arent the root of the problem.

Oh, yes they are.

That is totally idiotic, mindless, unthinking garbage - typical from you.

If it was as you say then gun crime in every other country would be exactly proportionate to the number of guns in each country.
This is glaringly obviously not the case.
So there has to be something else aside guns and that is culture, social cohesion and politics at every level.

Guns are the root of the problem.

There's always other factors involved, but guns are the root of the problem.

Nineteen children can't die from gunshot wounds if the bad guy doesn't have a gun.

Pecker got owned

Tell us about all the mass shootings in Finland and Israel where gun ownership is just as high
Oh that's right you can't Cheesy

Do you have a link to support that claim mate???

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Estimate of civilian firearms per 100 persons
United States 120.50
Finland 32.4
Israel 6.7

Oh that's right, you can't!!!

Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_co...

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #77 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:25pm

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 2:51pm:

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Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

So, the US is number 2 with a bullet.

"Gun-related violence occurs all around the world, including (to a lesser extent) countries in which guns are illegal. However, out of the estimated 250,227 gun-related deaths worldwide in 2019, 65.9% occurred in just six countries: Brazil, the United States, Venezuela, Mexico, India, and Colombia. Gun deaths are considered an epidemic in the United States".

It's not even in the top 10 on a per capita basis.

That must come as enormous comfort to the families of the 19 little kids who were shot to death in Texas ... by a gun.

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #79 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:29pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 2:51pm:

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

and, remove the poor 3rd world countries, countries that have a strong US influence .
So we can compare apples with apples ......

In the US it is the same, mostly black, underclass that carries out most of the crime, including gun crime.

You would be comparing apples with apples if you removed the black and Hispanic gun crime numbers from the US stats.

The firearm homicide rate, measured per 100,000 people, rose from 4.6 in 2019 to 6.1 in 2020, the report said, with a strong correlation to poverty.

Among African Americans, the rate was 26.6 deaths per 100,000, a 39.5% increase over 2019. For white Americans, the rate was 2.2 per 100,000.

By raw numbers, there were 19,350 gun homicides in 2020, with African Americans accounting for 62% of the total and white people 21%.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-gun-deaths-surged-35-2020-higher-black-peopl...

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #80 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:30pm

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:29pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 2:51pm:

Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

and, remove the poor 3rd world countries, countries that have a strong US influence .
So we can compare apples with apples ......

In the US it is the same, mostly black, underclass that carries out most of the crime, including gun crime.

You would be comparing apples with apples if you removed the black and Hispanic gun crime numbers from the US stats.

The firearm homicide rate, measured per 100,000 people, rose from 4.6 in 2019 to 6.1 in 2020, the report said, with a strong correlation to poverty.

Among African Americans, the rate was 26.6 deaths per 100,000, a 39.5% increase over 2019. For white Americans, the rate was 2.2 per 100,000.

By raw numbers, there were 19,350 gun homicides in 2020, with African Americans accounting for 62% of the total and white people 21%.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-gun-deaths-surged-35-2020-higher-black-peopl...

Are you a white supremacist, Frank?

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #81 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:36pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1654481464/72#72 date=1654577493]Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Guns aren't the problem.......about 60% of all US gun deaths are from satisfied gun users, where the gun user got exactly what they wanted.......their own death......100% of those deaths were due to a successful suicide.........about 22,000 deaths every year.....on average over 60 successful gun suicides per day.

Guns aren't the problem.......if guns weren't available, most of these souls would have cashed in all their chips another way......motive & desire have a direct connection to the eventual outcome.....

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #82 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:47pm

Panther wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:36pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1654481464/72#72 date=1654577493]Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Guns aren't the problem.......

Oh, but they are.

19 children are lying in small graves today because of gunshot wounds.

The bad guy couldn't have shot those little kids to death if he didn't have a gun.

The gun was the root problem.

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #83 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:47pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:36pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1654481464/72#72 date=1654577493]Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Guns aren't the problem.......

Oh, but they are.

19 children are lying in small graves today because of gunshot wounds.

The bad guy couldn't have shot those little kids to death if he didn't have a gun.

The gun was the root problem.

No gun has ever shot a person on their own, guns don't go around randomly shooting people, there is always a person pulling the trigger.

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Reply #85 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:58pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:47pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:36pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1654481464/72#72 date=1654577493]Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Guns aren't the problem.......

Oh, but they are.

19 children are lying in small graves today because of gunshot wounds.

The bad guy couldn't have shot those little kids to death if he didn't have a gun.

The gun was the root problem.

No gun has ever shot a person on their own, guns don't go around randomly shooting people, there is always a person pulling the trigger.

In 1993, Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes dropped a loaded handgun and it shot him in the face, blinding him in his left eye.

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #86 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:03pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:47pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:36pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1654481464/72#72 date=1654577493]Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Guns aren't the problem.......

Oh, but they are.

19 children are lying in small graves today because of gunshot wounds.

The bad guy couldn't have shot those little kids to death if he didn't have a gun.

The gun was the root problem.

No gun has ever shot a person on their own, guns don't go around randomly shooting people, there is always a person pulling the trigger.

The GLARING FACT that the Extreme-Left Anti-Gunner crowd always conveniently ignore......

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #87 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:06pm

Panther wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:03pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:47pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:36pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1654481464/72#72 date=1654577493]Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Guns aren't the problem.......

Oh, but they are.

19 children are lying in small graves today because of gunshot wounds.

The bad guy couldn't have shot those little kids to death if he didn't have a gun.

The gun was the root problem.

No gun has ever shot a person on their own, guns don't go around randomly shooting people, there is always a person pulling the trigger.

The GLARING FACT that the Extreme-Left Anti-Gunner crowd always conveniently ignore......

https://imgur.com/MTIxShw.gif

His finger was nowhere near the trigger:

In 1993, Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes dropped a loaded handgun and it shot him in the face, blinding him in his left eye.

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #88 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:58pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:47pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:36pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 3:39pm:

[quote author=Frank link=1654481464/72#72 date=1654577493]Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
......

US - 7.8

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

Guns aren't the problem.......

Oh, but they are.

19 children are lying in small graves today because of gunshot wounds.

The bad guy couldn't have shot those little kids to death if he didn't have a gun.

The gun was the root problem.

No gun has ever shot a person on their own, guns don't go around randomly shooting people, there is always a person pulling the trigger.

In 1993, Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes dropped a loaded handgun and it shot him in the face, blinding him in his left eye.

[url]https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/rhodes-rt-ps-220113_1642100430048_hpM
ain_16x9t_608.jpg[/url]

Human action. Careless human action but still, human action. A gun is an inanimate object (like your brain) and so cannot act, it needs a human to handle it.

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Re: Two more mass shootings
Reply #89 - Jun 7^th, 2022 at 5:14pm

Steampipe wrote on Jun 7^th, 2022 at 4:51pm:

No gun has ever shot a person on their own, guns don't go around randomly shooting people, there is always a person pulling the trigger.

Janifer Bliss, age 53, was shot in the lower left leg while in a stall of a ladies’ room at a local hotel.

Says the news source, “Police said the woman in the next stall accidentally let her handgun slip out of her waist holster, and the weapon discharged when it hit the ground…

The gun belonged to Debra Monce, 56, of Land o’ Lakes.

She has a concealed weapons permit for the small-caliber handgun, but the case has been referred to the State Attorney’s Office for review.”

No finger on the trigger.

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