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Reply #15 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:11pm

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:09pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

If you split the deaths caused by communism into deliberate extermination and death due to failure of the state to provide the basic services that communism intends them to (eg the Great Chinese Famine), which would be greater?

I don't thinks the Russian and Chinese famines were "failures to provide". They were engineered, in the Soviet Ukrainian case, to force collectivisation.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor#ref1264568
The Chinese famines were also engineered by the communist leadership, they called it the great leap forward (another glaring and sad example of communist double speak, as Orwell nailed it).

Orwell was a socialist

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Reply #16 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:12pm

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:09pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

If you split the deaths caused by communism into deliberate extermination and death due to failure of the state to provide the basic services that communism intends them to (eg the Great Chinese Famine), which would be greater?

I don't thinks the Russian and Chinese famines were "failures to provide". They were engineered, in the Soviet Ukrainian case, to force collectivisation.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor#ref1264568
The Chinese famines were also engineered by the communist leadership, they called it the great leap forward (another glaring and sad example of communist double speak, as Orwell nailed it).

They were the result of collectivism. I do not think it was intentional. The CCP was just extraordinarily incompetent at carrying out what was basically their core mission.

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Reply #17 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:13pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:10pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:07pm:

You lied about communists not killing people for their religion or sexuality

What do you think I lied about?

Try thinking before responding. Or at the very least, assuming we are not gullible enough to believe your lies. Who do you think killed more people because of their religion - Nazis or Communists?

Nazis, duh.

How many did they kill?

I am bored of you already. Google the holocaust if you don't know

I know. I am just trying to figure out why you are so full of crap. Google cannot tell me that.

How many people do you think the Nazis killed because of their religion?

No one has ever studied the holocaust. OK boomer

You obviously haven't. Why are you so full of crap? Where do you get it all from?

How many people do you think the Nazis killed because of their religion?

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Reply #18 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:14pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:13pm:

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You obviously haven't. Why are you so full of crap? Where do you get it all from?

How many people do you think the Nazis killed because of their religion?

Again proving you don't care about facts, you want to badger me for having morals

I have at least 20 books on Nazi germany and the holocaust in my library, Probably more

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Reply #19 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:19pm

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Again proving you don't care about facts, you want to badger me for having morals

Every time we manage to get you to make a statement of fact, it is an obvious lie. What do your morals tell you about being so full of crap?

How many people do you think the Nazis killed because of their religion? Hint: it has nothing to do with the weight of unread books in your imaginary library, or how much you dislike all the Nazis in your family. You may have gotten rid of the Nazis, but the fascists are still there.

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Reply #21 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:20pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:09pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

If you split the deaths caused by communism into deliberate extermination and death due to failure of the state to provide the basic services that communism intends them to (eg the Great Chinese Famine), which would be greater?

I don't thinks the Russian and Chinese famines were "failures to provide". They were engineered, in the Soviet Ukrainian case, to force collectivisation.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor#ref1264568
The Chinese famines were also engineered by the communist leadership, they called it the great leap forward (another glaring and sad example of communist double speak, as Orwell nailed it).

They were the result of collectivism. I do not think it was intentional. The CCP was just extraordinarily incompetent at carrying out what was basically their core mission.

Well, ignoring that they were causing mass starvation and persisting despite it WAS intentional, not mere inattention or absent mindedness.

It is the inhumanity of totalitarian missions and projects.

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Reply #22 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:21pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

If you split the deaths caused by communism into deliberate extermination and death due to failure of the state to provide the basic services that communism intends them to (eg the Great Chinese Famine), which would be greater?

How does that compared when compared to the deaths, deliberate or otherwise, due to capitalism? Cheesy

Before you jump in with a dumb answer, take the time to think clearly.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Victims of communism Reply #23 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:23pm I cannot think of anything attributable to capitalism that compares to what communists did through evil intent or incompetence. Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong.
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Reply #24 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:38pm

I think I know what is going on. Future joined Antifa because he felt ashamed of all the Nazis in his family. It was full of communists and Muslim sympathisers, so he instinctively sees them as a the good guys. He now rails against fascism, while reflexively supporting probably the two biggest groups of fascists in human history, oblivious to the sheer scale of suffering they have inflicted on their fellow man. He has a fetish for Nazis, but fascism runs in his blood, and he still cannot see it, no matter how patiently it is pointed out to him.

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Reply #25 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:53pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

I cannot think of anything attributable to capitalism that compares to what communists did through evil intent or incompetence. Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong.

So weapons companies lobbying members of governments to go to war after war after war don't count?

People that dies in cars,trucks,planes and buses because someone tried to cut corners to increase profits don't count?

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Reply #26 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 6:10pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

I cannot think of anything attributable to capitalism that compares to what communists did through evil intent or incompetence. Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong.

So weapons companies lobbying members of governments to go to war after war after war don't count?

People that dies in cars,trucks,planes and buses because someone tried to cut corners to increase profits don't count?

You are welcome to try to make a comparison on any basis you want John. Let's see how creative you can get with the numbers, shall we?

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Reply #27 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 6:11pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 6:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

I cannot think of anything attributable to capitalism that compares to what communists did through evil intent or incompetence. Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong.

So weapons companies lobbying members of governments to go to war after war after war don't count?

People that dies in cars,trucks,planes and buses because someone tried to cut corners to increase profits don't count?

You are welcome to try to make a comparison on any basis you want John. Let's see how creative you can get with the numbers, shall we?

I asked you two questions FD. Are you afraid to answer?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Victims of communism Reply #28 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 6:12pm My answer is, you cannot count. But keep trying, that's what counts.
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Reply #29 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 6:14pm

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:38pm:

I think I know what is going on. Future joined Antifa because he felt ashamed of all the Nazis in his family. It was full of communists and Muslim sympathisers, so he instinctively sees them as a the good guys. He now rails against fascism, while reflexively supporting probably the two biggest groups of fascists in human history, oblivious to the sheer scale of suffering they have inflicted on their fellow man. He has a fetish for Nazis, but fascism runs in his blood, and he still cannot see it, no matter how patiently it is pointed out to him.

I am not ashamed. I have been aware from a young age. I still await your instructions on how to join antifa.

bugger me the right are dense

The idea that things are passed in bloodlines is Nazism

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