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Reply #270 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:10pm

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:31am:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:29am:

No John. I would have to google it. Assuming I could figure out how to make sense of your question.

so how can you claim communist governments had the worst numbers in the world when you don't even know the numbers for non communist governments?

Was it more wishful thinking and less fact?

Now you are asking a different question John. Before you were asking me how many African deaths John Smith believed happened for the benefit of "capitalist" companies.

I am sure you have something in your head that makes sense to you John. Keep it a secret if it makes you feel superior. No-one else really cares.

different question? you can't answer either of them even if they are different. Grin

Given you don't know the numbers, for either question, how can you possibly claim communism is responsible for the largest number? You just made it up didn't you?

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Reply #271 - Aug 1^st, 2022 at 10:46pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 10:19am:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 10:12am:

Are you trying to say the facts are irrelevant John?

No, I'm just wondering why in your score card of deaths due to political/ economic ideology, you have made no mention of all the dead Africans that have died over the years ?

There are about 25 000 Africans dying a day from hunger alone, and they have been for decades. Don't those deaths count?

Be warned: freediver is a self-admitted ideological fraud
(see#24. 'privatisation' thread)

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Reply #272 - Aug 1^st, 2022 at 11:03pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:31am:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:29am:

No John. I would have to google it. Assuming I could figure out how to make sense of your question.

so how can you claim communist governments had the worst numbers in the world when you don't even know the numbers for non communist governments?

Was it more wishful thinking and less fact?

Now you are asking a different question John. Before you were asking me how many African deaths John Smith believed happened for the benefit of "capitalist" companies.

I am sure you have something in your head that makes sense to you John. Keep it a secret if it makes you feel superior. No-one else really cares.

different question? you can't answer either of them even if they are different. Grin

Given you don't know the numbers, for either question, how can you possibly claim communism is responsible for the largest number? You just made it up didn't you?

I love reading your posts, planks. Nowhere else can I see people so openly, shamelessly, surprisingly stupid.

The number of victims of communism are variously tabulated.
You assert that the number of victims of capitalism is greater. You do not back it up with anything.
So you can then, being the eyewateringly stupid thicko, assert that in the absence of ANY evidence to back YOUR claim thereby invalidates the evidence of the number of victims of communism are greater.

And you are this moronic with your eyes closed! look mum! No hands! No effort!

Love it. I couldn't imagine people could be so thick and stupid. Thank you for your service.

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Reply #273 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:24am

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 11:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:31am:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:29am:

No John. I would have to google it. Assuming I could figure out how to make sense of your question.

so how can you claim communist governments had the worst numbers in the world when you don't even know the numbers for non communist governments?

Was it more wishful thinking and less fact?

Now you are asking a different question John. Before you were asking me how many African deaths John Smith believed happened for the benefit of "capitalist" companies.

I am sure you have something in your head that makes sense to you John. Keep it a secret if it makes you feel superior. No-one else really cares.

different question? you can't answer either of them even if they are different. Grin

Given you don't know the numbers, for either question, how can you possibly claim communism is responsible for the largest number? You just made it up didn't you?

I love reading your posts, planks. Nowhere else can I see people so openly, shamelessly, surprisingly stupid.

The number of victims of communism are variously tabulated.
You assert that the number of victims of capitalism is greater. You do not back it up with anything.
So you can then, being the eyewateringly stupid thicko, assert that in the absence of ANY evidence to back YOUR claim thereby invalidates the evidence of the number of victims of communism are greater.

And you are this moronic with your eyes closed! look mum! No hands! No effort!

Love it. I couldn't imagine people could be so thick and stupid. Thank you for your service.

Er... Frank not so fast; you showed you inability to comprehend simple english, when it was pointed out even Abbott admitted Howard made a mistake in cancelling the CDEP.

And the fact is neoliberal capitalism is bringing the world to its knees, with states failing everywhere, amid poverty-related violence. Poverty is killing millions of people a year...

https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/losing-25000-hunger-every-day

Losing 25,000 to Hunger Every Day

...c. 8 million a year, few of them in China.

Must be global capitalism.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Victims of communism Reply #274 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 8:17am Quote: Losing 25,000 to Hunger Every Day ...c. 8 million a year, few of them in China. What exactly do you mean by "few"? No-one in Australia is dying of starvation.
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Reply #275 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:31am

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 8:17am:

No-one in Australia is dying of starvation.

thats because of Australias socialist leaning policies where the state provides for those that can't provide for themselves.

It certainly has nothing to do with the capitalist who try and ripp them off whenever they can get away with it

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Victims of communism Reply #276 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:45am So where are all these people starving because of capitalism? Our CCP stooge has already admitted some are in China. Do you think people would starve if we abandoned the dole?
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Reply #277 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 11:36am

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 12:24am:

Poverty is killing millions of people a year...

https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/losing-25000-hunger-every-day

Losing 25,000 to Hunger Every Day

...c. 8 million a year, few of them in China.

Must be global capitalism.

The words capitalism or neo-liberal appear.... er..... ZERO times in that UN report.

Bad harvests happened many times before capitalism. They even happened under socialism. Government engineered famine, however, ONLY ever happened under socialism, for socialist political purposes.

Capitalism is one of the strongest forces for the formation of civil society with its attendant institutions of social cooperation and solidarity.

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Reply #278 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 4:37pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:45am:

So where are all these people starving because of capitalism?

Mostly in countries with per capita GDP less than c $2k per year (in South Asia, Africa and some M.E).

The UN report noted c. 8 million people starving to death every year.

So the dominant global economic system, overseen by the US stooge the IMF (Instant Misery Fund)ie, neoliberalism - is responsible for those 8 million deaths annually.

Note: per capita GDP in India and Africa is c. $2K.

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Do you think people would starve if we abandoned the dole?

Neoliberalism burdens the least advantaged in ANY country, including Oz; and in poor countries mentioned above, that burden manifests as starvation.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Victims of communism Reply #279 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 7:04pm You didn't answer the question. Are you blaming all deaths due to starvation on capitalism? And is this some strange effort to make up for the CCP starving 50 million Chinese to death with communism? So where are all these people starving because of capitalism?
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Reply #280 - Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 7:04pm:

You didn't answer the question. Are you blaming all deaths due to starvation on capitalism?

No, I recognise a role (as did Deng**) for capitalist self-interest in an economy.

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

But the fact is after the collapse of the USSR, Western-style neoliberalism has become the dominant paradigm around the globe except in China......and poor countries are paying the price in terms of starvation of c. 8 million people a year.

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And is this some strange effort to make up for the CCP starving 50 million Chinese to death with communism?

No; it's recognition that Deng changed, but Western neoliberal market ideology did not.

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So where are all these people starving because of capitalism western neoliberal free markets?

In all the poor nations of the world.

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Reply #281 - Aug 4^th, 2022 at 7:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 7:04pm:

You didn't answer the question. Are you blaming all deaths due to starvation on capitalism?

No, I recognise a role (as did Deng**) for capitalist self-interest in an economy.

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

But the fact is after the collapse of the USSR, Western-style neoliberalism has become the dominant paradigm around the globe except in China......and poor countries are paying the price in terms of starvation of c. 8 million people a year.

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And is this some strange effort to make up for the CCP starving 50 million Chinese to death with communism?

No; it's recognition that Deng changed, but Western neoliberal market ideology did not.

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So where are all these people starving because of capitalism western neoliberal free markets?

In all the poor nations of the world.

Can you translate this gibberish into English? Is it the west's fault because Deng said so?

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Reply #282 - Aug 4^th, 2022 at 7:44pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

Laughable bollocks.

Explain the difference between Scandinavian market economics and Chinese state-controlled socialist economics.

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6396 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Victims of communism Reply #283 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 1:28pm Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:40am: athos wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:38am: Ignorant Morons. China is a capitalist country. Run by a Communist Party. Your British colonial Disneyland is run by two party deep state cartel. And what?
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Reply #284 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 3:54pm

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 7:08pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 7:04pm:

You didn't answer the question. Are you blaming all deaths due to starvation on capitalism?

No, I recognise a role (as did Deng**) for capitalist self-interest in an economy.

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

But the fact is after the collapse of the USSR, Western-style neoliberalism has become the dominant paradigm around the globe except in China......and poor countries are paying the price in terms of starvation of c. 8 million people a year.

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And is this some strange effort to make up for the CCP starving 50 million Chinese to death with communism?

No; it's recognition that Deng changed, but Western neoliberal market ideology did not.

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So where are all these people starving because of capitalism western neoliberal free markets?

In all the poor nations of the world.

Can you translate this gibberish into English? Is it the west's fault because Deng said so?

Not to a self-admitted ideological fraud like you. (see privatisation #24).

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