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Reply #285 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 4:05pm

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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

Laughable bollocks.

Explain the difference between Scandinavian market economics and Chinese state-controlled socialist economics.

Scandinavian market economies institute high rates of tax transfers between individuals operating in the capitalist free market; the China model institutes state subsidization of individuals and companies...which Western free marketeers rail against as 'unfair market practices'.

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Reply #287 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 4:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 4:05pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

Laughable bollocks.

Explain the difference between Scandinavian market economics and Chinese state-controlled socialist economics.

Scandinavian market economies institute high rates of tax transfers between individuals operating in the capitalist free market; the China model institutes state subsidization of individuals and companies..which Western free marketeers rail against as 'unfair market practices'.

Well, it IS unfair. This is why it was a mistake the let lying cheating China into the WTO.

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Reply #288 - Aug 5^th, 2022 at 6:53pm

Frank wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 4:27pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 4:05pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

Laughable bollocks.

Explain the difference between Scandinavian market economics and Chinese state-controlled socialist economics.

Scandinavian market economies institute high rates of tax transfers between individuals operating in the capitalist free market; the China model institutes state subsidization of individuals and companies..which Western free marketeers rail against as 'unfair market practices'.

Well, it IS unfair. This is why it was a mistake the let lying cheating China into the WTO.

The point is state subsidization, or indeed even SOEs, is a means of leveling the field with powerful private entities and individuals in market economies, for benefit of the public sector as deemed necessary by the government.

Can't compete?

The US government is catching on, with its massive IC 'Chips' bill - state intervention in its most market-ideology-denying form.

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Reply #289 - Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:07am

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 4:05pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

Laughable bollocks.

Explain the difference between Scandinavian market economics and Chinese state-controlled socialist economics.

Scandinavian market economies institute high rates of tax transfers between individuals operating in the capitalist free market; the China model institutes state subsidization of individuals and companies...which Western free marketeers rail against as 'unfair market practices'.

It's bad for the people trying to compete against them in that particular industry. It's bad for most Chinese people. For everyone else, it means dirt poor Chinese people are helping to pay for their iPads and SUVs.

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Reply #290 - Aug 6^th, 2022 at 1:55pm

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:07am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2022 at 4:05pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2022 at 2:23pm:

**Late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping was the chief engineer of the 1978 reforms and introduced the concept of the socialist market economy......a crime, according to Western neoliberal ideologues who bleat about 'unfair market practices'.

Laughable bollocks.

Explain the difference between Scandinavian market economics and Chinese state-controlled socialist economics.

Scandinavian market economies institute high rates of tax transfers between individuals operating in the capitalist free market; the China model institutes state subsidization of individuals and companies...which Western free marketeers rail against as 'unfair market practices'.

It's bad for the people trying to compete against them in that particular industry.

So that demonstrates global trade needs different rules ie, fair trade not free trade...and a global above- poverty minimum wage.

eg Japan with it's strong culture of workers' life-long commitment to company, and lower wages, crippled the the US auto industry (and pauperized/obliterated Detroit from the 70's on).

But the gloves are off now: the prospect of loss of global hegemony to China, means the US has finally withdrawn from any pretense of free trade.

[Today the US is accusing China of damaging the world by withdrawing from 'climate co-operation', but the US had withdrawn from climate cooperation months ago when it banned imports of Xinjiang solar panels, on false 'genocide' charges, and even earlier when it banned Huawei on trumped-up security concerns.

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It's bad for most Chinese people. For everyone else, it means dirt poor Chinese people are helping to pay for their iPads and SUVs.

China subsidizes essentials for low wage workers.

So are you happy to pay double (and more) the prices for these consumer goods?

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Reply #292 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 11:21am

The Black Ribbon Day, officially known in the European Union as the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism and also referred to as the Europe-wide Day of Remembrance for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, is an international day of remembrance for victims of totalitarianism regimes, specifically Stalinist, communist, Nazi and fascist regimes. Formally recognised by the European Union, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and some other countries, it is observed on 23 August.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12441 Gender:	Re: Victims of communism Reply #293 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 2:18pm freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 2:18pm: I am happy to pay what it actually costs. If you subsidise it for me, I will waste it. That's because you can afford higher prices. But Western retailers love Chinese goods, because they cost less. And as for subsidization: poor people don't "waste" state-subsidized rent.
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Reply #294 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 2:29pm

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Anti-dictatures.png/24...

The Black Ribbon Day, officially known in the European Union as the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism and also referred to as the Europe-wide Day of Remembrance for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, is an international day of remembrance for victims of totalitarianism regimes, specifically Stalinist, communist, Nazi and fascist regimes. Formally recognised by the European Union, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and some other countries, it is observed on 23 August.

The EU, with it's 3rd largest economy showing no growth and teetering on bankruptcy, supported only the European central bank - lying through its teeth - breaking EU member states' fiscal rules to stave off collapse of the union.

And the 2nd largest EU economy, 8% unemployment; Greece 12%, and Bosnia gdp per capita 2/3 that of China...some "union".....

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Reply #295 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 3:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 2:18pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 2:18pm:

I am happy to pay what it actually costs. If you subsidise it for me, I will waste it.

That's because you can afford higher prices.

But Western retailers love Chinese goods, because they cost less.

And as for subsidization: poor people don't "waste" state-subsidized rent.

Anything that is subsidised gets wasted.

Rent control is a classic example of how subsidies often have the exact opposite effect to what is intended.

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Reply #296 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 4:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 11:21am:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Anti-dictatures.png/24...

The Black Ribbon Day, officially known in the European Union as the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism and also referred to as the Europe-wide Day of Remembrance for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, is an international day of remembrance for victims of totalitarianism regimes, specifically Stalinist, communist, Nazi and fascist regimes. Formally recognised by the European Union, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and some other countries, it is observed on 23 August.

The EU, with it's 3rd largest economy showing no growth and teetering on bankruptcy, supported only the European central bank - lying through its teeth - breaking EU member states' fiscal rules to stave off collapse of the union.

And the 2nd largest EU economy, 8% unemployment; Greece 12%, and Bosnia gdp per capita 2/3 that of China...some "union".....

Relevance?

(A question applicable to an increasingly large number of your psittacisms).

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Reply #297 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 5:43pm

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 11:21am:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Anti-dictatures.png/24...

The Black Ribbon Day, officially known in the European Union as the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism and also referred to as the Europe-wide Day of Remembrance for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, is an international day of remembrance for victims of totalitarianism regimes, specifically Stalinist, communist, Nazi and fascist regimes. Formally recognised by the European Union, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and some other countries, it is observed on 23 August.

The EU, with it's 3rd largest economy showing no growth and teetering on bankruptcy, supported only the European central bank - lying through its teeth - breaking EU member states' fiscal rules to stave off collapse of the union.

And the 2nd largest EU economy, 8% unemployment; Greece 12%, and Bosnia gdp per capita 2/3 that of China...some "union".....

Relevance?

(A question applicable to an increasingly large number of your psittacisms).

"Free" Europe is an economic disaster for many of its citizens, and certainly hasn't earned the right to criticize "totalitarian" regimes.

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Reply #298 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 5:57pm

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"Free" Europe is an economic disaster for many of its citizens, and certainly hasn't earned the right to criticize "totalitarian" regimes.

Who HAS the right to criticise totalitarian regimes, then? Only other totalitarian regimes? 'Hey, comrade, you killed only how many?? hahaha, comrade! you are not doing it right!! tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

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Reply #299 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 6:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 5:43pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 11:21am:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Anti-dictatures.png/24...

The Black Ribbon Day, officially known in the European Union as the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism and also referred to as the Europe-wide Day of Remembrance for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, is an international day of remembrance for victims of totalitarianism regimes, specifically Stalinist, communist, Nazi and fascist regimes. Formally recognised by the European Union, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and some other countries, it is observed on 23 August.

The EU, with it's 3rd largest economy showing no growth and teetering on bankruptcy, supported only the European central bank - lying through its teeth - breaking EU member states' fiscal rules to stave off collapse of the union.

And the 2nd largest EU economy, 8% unemployment; Greece 12%, and Bosnia gdp per capita 2/3 that of China...some "union".....

Relevance?

(A question applicable to an increasingly large number of your psittacisms).

"Free" Europe is an economic disaster for many of its citizens, and certainly hasn't earned the right to criticize "totalitarian" regimes.

BTW - this is so mindlessly propagandistic, stupid and lacking in even minimal self-awareness as to be comical.

When did YOU earn the right to criticise ANYTHING?? On what grounds are YOU expressing ANY opinion and view on ANYTHING? How have you earned it? Who gave you permission? On what authority?

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