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Reply #300 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 6:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 5:43pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 11:21am:

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The Black Ribbon Day, officially known in the European Union as the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism and also referred to as the Europe-wide Day of Remembrance for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, is an international day of remembrance for victims of totalitarianism regimes, specifically Stalinist, communist, Nazi and fascist regimes. Formally recognised by the European Union, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and some other countries, it is observed on 23 August.

The EU, with it's 3rd largest economy showing no growth and teetering on bankruptcy, supported only the European central bank - lying through its teeth - breaking EU member states' fiscal rules to stave off collapse of the union.

And the 2nd largest EU economy, 8% unemployment; Greece 12%, and Bosnia gdp per capita 2/3 that of China...some "union".....

Relevance?

(A question applicable to an increasingly large number of your psittacisms).

"Free" Europe is an economic disaster for many of its citizens, and certainly hasn't earned the right to criticize "totalitarian" regimes.

Weren't you just using European countries as the example of success you think Australia should follow?

Can you name a single European country that you consider to be poorer than China?

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Re: Victims of communism
Reply #301 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 6:58pm

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 5:57pm:

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"Free" Europe is an economic disaster for many of its citizens, and certainly hasn't earned the right to criticize "totalitarian" regimes.

Who HAS the right to criticise totalitarian regimes, then? Only other totalitarian regimes?

No; societies which can demonstrate achievement of the general welfare and the common good, which (by the way) the search for which is why some nations went down the totalitarian route, seeing the democracies are mostly rabbles of greedy adversarial groups arguing about "other peoples' money", resulting in generational disadvantage remaining entrenched.

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Re: Victims of communism
Reply #302 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 7:00pm

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 6:05pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 5:43pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 2:29pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 11:21am:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Anti-dictatures.png/24...

The Black Ribbon Day, officially known in the European Union as the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism and also referred to as the Europe-wide Day of Remembrance for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, is an international day of remembrance for victims of totalitarianism regimes, specifically Stalinist, communist, Nazi and fascist regimes. Formally recognised by the European Union, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and some other countries, it is observed on 23 August.

The EU, with it's 3rd largest economy showing no growth and teetering on bankruptcy, supported only the European central bank - lying through its teeth - breaking EU member states' fiscal rules to stave off collapse of the union.

And the 2nd largest EU economy, 8% unemployment; Greece 12%, and Bosnia gdp per capita 2/3 that of China...some "union".....

Relevance?

(A question applicable to an increasingly large number of your psittacisms).

"Free" Europe is an economic disaster for many of its citizens, and certainly hasn't earned the right to criticize "totalitarian" regimes.

Weren't you just using European countries as the example of success you think Australia should follow?

Can you name a single European country that you consider to be poorer than China?

Bosnia : gdp per capita 2/3 of China: Bulgaria, about the same as China.

Montenegro, Serbia, Albania - all 2/3 or less, than China.

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Re: Victims of communism
Reply #303 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 9:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 6:58pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 5:57pm:

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"Free" Europe is an economic disaster for many of its citizens, and certainly hasn't earned the right to criticize "totalitarian" regimes.

Who HAS the right to criticise totalitarian regimes, then? Only other totalitarian regimes?

No; societies which can demonstrate achievement of the general welfare and the common good, which (by the way) the search for which is why some nations went down the totalitarian route, seeing the democracies are mostly rabbles of greedy adversarial groups arguing about "other peoples' money", resulting in generational disadvantage remaining entrenched.

How did YOU decide that?

(You are unraveling before our very eyes, you (don't) realise)

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Re: Victims of communism
Reply #304 - Aug 24^th, 2022 at 10:32pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 6:58pm:

No; societies which can demonstrate achievement of the general welfare and the common good, which (by the way) the search for which is why some nations went down the totalitarian route, seeing the democracies are mostly rabbles of greedy adversarial groups arguing about "other peoples' money", resulting in generational disadvantage remaining entrenched.

You have a poor understanding of human nature.

The CCP, as an example of a totalitarian state, it's leadership is as self-interested as an impoverished Chinese peasant - the difference being: the leadership's ability to accumulate immoderated and unmitigated wealth and power is absolute and unchallengeable, by martial force.

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Reply #305 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 11:35am

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 11:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 2:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:46am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:31am:

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 11:29am:

No John. I would have to google it. Assuming I could figure out how to make sense of your question.

so how can you claim communist governments had the worst numbers in the world when you don't even know the numbers for non communist governments?

Was it more wishful thinking and less fact?

Now you are asking a different question John. Before you were asking me how many African deaths John Smith believed happened for the benefit of "capitalist" companies.

I am sure you have something in your head that makes sense to you John. Keep it a secret if it makes you feel superior. No-one else really cares.

different question? you can't answer either of them even if they are different. Grin

Given you don't know the numbers, for either question, how can you possibly claim communism is responsible for the largest number? You just made it up didn't you?

I love reading your posts, planks. Nowhere else can I see people so openly, shamelessly, surprisingly stupid.

The number of victims of communism are variously tabulated.
You assert that the number of victims of capitalism is greater. You do not back it up with anything.
So you can then, being the eyewateringly stupid thicko, assert that in the absence of ANY evidence to back YOUR claim thereby invalidates the evidence of the number of victims of communism are greater.

And you are this moronic with your eyes closed! look mum! No hands! No effort!

Love it. I couldn't imagine people could be so thick and stupid. Thank you for your service.

Stop being arrogant moron you can harm yourself.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #306 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 11:44am

Islands near Australia could be sold to China

The islands, which the current owner has threatened to sell to Beijing, comprise 21 coral atolls located off the eastern coast of Australia between Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands.

Noting that the Conflicts are just a few of the more than 500 islands in that area, Australian PM Albanese argued that Australian taxpayers were not in any position to buy all of them just so China doesn't get ahold of any of them.

Plus, it would set a terrible precedent. “If sellers of assets came through the media [to] say, 'I want Australia to buy this or else there's implications, we'll sell it to China', think about where that ends, in terms of taxpayers,” he said.

The islands’ current owner, retired entrepreneur Ian Gowrie-Smith, had emailed Foreign Minister Penny Wong in June with an offer to sell them for ASD$36 million ($25 million). Located strategically near one of Australia’s main shipping lanes and the three massive data cables that carry Australia’s data along the ocean floor, they pose an added national security interest given the Solomon Islands’ recent signing of a security pact with China, he pointed out, warning that if he did not receive a response, he would sell them to Beijing.

I told you Penny Wong is our man.
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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #307 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 1:11pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 24^th, 2022 at 6:58pm:

No; societies which can demonstrate achievement of the general welfare and the common good, which (by the way) the search for which is why some nations went down the totalitarian route, seeing the democracies are mostly rabbles of greedy adversarial groups arguing about "other peoples' money", resulting in generational disadvantage remaining entrenched.

You have a poor understanding of human nature.

No I don't, I recognize the reality:

O.. what a Chimera is Man; What a novelty, a monster, a chaos, a contradiction, a prodigy! Judge of all things, an imbecile worm; depository of truth, and sewer of error and doubt; the glory and refuse of the universe.” ― Blaise Pascal, Pensées.

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The CCP, as an example of a totalitarian state.... (etc etc)

Blind ideological garbage, as expected from "a sewer of error and refuse of the universe"; the point is how to achieve sustainable general welfare in an ecologically challenged environment.

Certainly "all men must submit to rule of law, for all to be free"..who said that.....

Stop blaming the CCP for your problems; the war and poverty in the world are maintained by your vicious self-interested neoliberal survival of the fittest ideology....a "sewer of error" indeed.

Of course the CCP will need to lift its game as well, nationally and internationally; but the most dangerous institution in the world at present is the Pentagon determined to maintain global hegemony for the US's bankers and their hangers-on. i

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Reply #308 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 1:59pm

athos wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 11:44am:

Islands near Australia could be sold to China

The islands, which the current owner has threatened to sell to Beijing, comprise 21 coral atolls located off the eastern coast of Australia between Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands.

Noting that the Conflicts are just a few of the more than 500 islands in that area, Australian PM Albanese argued that Australian taxpayers were not in any position to buy all of them just so China doesn't get ahold of any of them.

Plus, it would set a terrible precedent. “If sellers of assets came through the media [to] say, 'I want Australia to buy this or else there's implications, we'll sell it to China', think about where that ends, in terms of taxpayers,” he said.

The islands’ current owner, retired entrepreneur Ian Gowrie-Smith, had emailed Foreign Minister Penny Wong in June with an offer to sell them for ASD$36 million ($25 million). Located strategically near one of Australia’s main shipping lanes and the three massive data cables that carry Australia’s data along the ocean floor, they pose an added national security interest given the Solomon Islands’ recent signing of a security pact with China, he pointed out, warning that if he did not receive a response, he would sell them to Beijing.

I told you Penny Wong is our man.

Does a government's power to resume land for state infrastructure or national security mean anything to you?

Not to mention that ownership of land does not cede its sovereignty. Anything the CCP does on that land is subject to Australian law. oversight and confiscation.

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Reply #309 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

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The CCP, as an example of a totalitarian state.... (etc etc)

Blind ideological garbage, as expected from "a sewer of error and refuse of the universe"; the point is how to achieve sustainable general welfare in an ecologically challenged environment.

From god and his creation to a sewer of error and refuse of the universe.

Are you an alcholic presbyterian minister?

The CCP's works to achieve its sustainable corruption and preservation and advancement of its power.

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Reply #310 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

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The CCP, as an example of a totalitarian state.... (etc etc)

Blind ideological garbage, as expected from "a sewer of error and refuse of the universe"; the point is how to achieve sustainable general welfare in an ecologically challenged environment.

From god and his creation to a sewer of error and refuse of the universe.

Are you an alcholic presbyterian minister?

Pascal was a Christian, and an observer of Man, including "freedom ideologues" like you who will end up destroying God's creation.

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The CCP's works to achieve its sustainable corruption and preservation and advancement of its power.

A pathetic 'look over there' comment from a pathetic "freedom values" self-interested sewer-mind.

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Reply #312 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 4:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

A pathetic 'look over there' comment from a pathetic "freedom values" self-interested sewer-mind.

Did I say alcoholic presbyterian minister? I meant old Irish nun.

Says the evil "freedom values" ideologue who is too blind to see his ideology is responsible for the war and poverty in the world.

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Reply #313 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 4:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 4:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

A pathetic 'look over there' comment from a pathetic "freedom values" self-interested sewer-mind.

Did I say alcoholic presbyterian minister? I meant old Irish nun.

Says the evil "freedom values" ideologue who is too blind to see his ideology is responsible for the war and poverty in the world.

Yep. Old Irish nun.

Doesn't explain that absolute and invasive poverty has existed in China for centuries, when they only time they had the chance to stand eye-to-eye with the deomcratic west over the last 40 years, until the CCP realised that liberating the Chinese people would be the end of the CCP's existence - hence Xi's condemning the Chinese people to Maoism 2.0.

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Reply #314 - Aug 25^th, 2022 at 5:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 4:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 4:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 25^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

A pathetic 'look over there' comment from a pathetic "freedom values" self-interested sewer-mind.

Did I say alcoholic presbyterian minister? I meant old Irish nun.

Says the evil "freedom values" ideologue who is too blind to see his ideology is responsible for the war and poverty in the world.

Yep. Old Irish nun.

Doesn't explain that absolute and invasive poverty has existed in China for centuries, when they only time they had the chance to stand eye-to-eye with the deomcratic west over the last 40 years, until the CCP realised that liberating the Chinese people would be the end of the CCP's existence - hence Xi's condemning the Chinese people to Maoism 2.0.

Does explain why democracies are failing everywhere, in dysfunctional hyper-partisan rabbles; and why war is still legal in the age of MAD.

...while neoliberal ideologues are content to make Russians the monsters, while they themselves sit around watching Ukrainians being used as cannon fodder, to further their evil "freedom values" ideology.

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