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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44419 Gender:	Re: Victims of communism Reply #45 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 10:46pm Jasin wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 9:37pm: Cubans did very well under Communism. Better than Americans did under Capitalism. Yeah, that's why half of them escaped to Florida.
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Reply #46 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 8:04am

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 10:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 9:37pm:

Cubans did very well under Communism.
Better than Americans did under Capitalism.
Grin

Yeah, that's why half of them escaped to Florida.

If that was true, then why are Americans swimming to Cuba - now the truth is revealed?
Sure some Cubans were pro-American and were 'hunted out' to America.
But Cubans interviewed said they loved Castro who looked after them (not the traitors for America) and even under bullying sanctions, found life 'tranquil' and sustainable.

...Cubans live longer than Americans by 20 years. Sign of a good nation.

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Reply #47 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 8:37am

Jasin wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 8:04am:

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 10:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 9:37pm:

Cubans did very well under Communism.
Better than Americans did under Capitalism.
Grin

Yeah, that's why half of them escaped to Florida.

If that was true, then why are Americans swimming to Cuba - now the truth is revealed?
Sure some Cubans were pro-American and were 'hunted out' to America.
But Cubans interviewed said they loved Castro who looked after them (not the traitors for America) and even under bullying sanctions, found life 'tranquil' and sustainable.

...Cubans live longer than Americans by 20 years. Sign of a good nation.

I guess you haven't heard of the collapse of the Soviet Union and its immediate catastrophic effect on the Cuban economy, that was artificially propped up by the Soviet Union, and from which it has never recovered.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Victims of communism Reply #48 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 9:24am In 2019, Cuba's GDP per capita was US$9,000. This is up significantly as a result of property and free market rights granted in the last decade, and it is catching up to some of it's neighbours like Mexico. America's is $64,000.
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Reply #49 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:50am

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 10:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

I cannot think of anything attributable to capitalism that compares to what communists did through evil intent or incompetence. Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong.

So weapons companies lobbying members of governments to go to war after war after war don't count?

People that dies in cars,trucks,planes and buses because someone tried to cut corners to increase profits don't count?

They count - but they are not in the same category.

And no war has EVER started because of the lobbying of weapons manufacturers. None. Ever.

See FD, a straight answer .... No pussy footing around pretending to have a clue. Now why don't you try it.

By the way sore end, I disagree with the last comment. AMERICA for one, has been at war for just about every year for the last 60 years precisely because of the war machine industry lobbying govt. And thats just the US

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Reply #50 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:53am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 8:37am:

I guess you haven't heard of the collapse of the Soviet Union and its immediate catastrophic effect on the Cuban economy, that was artificially propped up by the Soviet Union, and from which it has never recovered.

The Cuban economy only needed to be propped up artificially in the first place because of Western embargoes. Any failure of the Cuban economy is as likely to do with Western interference than it does it's system of govt.

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Reply #51 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:55am

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 8:37am:

I guess you haven't heard of the collapse of the Soviet Union and its immediate catastrophic effect on the Cuban economy, that was artificially propped up by the Soviet Union, and from which it has never recovered.

The Cuban economy only needed to be propped up artificially in the first place because of Western embargoes. Any failure of the Cuban economy is as likely to do with Western interference than it does it's system of govt.

Because communism always works out well for the economy, right?

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Reply #52 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:02am

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 8:37am:

I guess you haven't heard of the collapse of the Soviet Union and its immediate catastrophic effect on the Cuban economy, that was artificially propped up by the Soviet Union, and from which it has never recovered.

The Cuban economy only needed to be propped up artificially in the first place because of Western embargoes. Any failure of the Cuban economy is as likely to do with Western interference than it does it's system of govt.

Because communism always works out well for the economy, right?

I guess we'll never know since there hasn't, to my knowledge, been a single communist govt. that the west hasn't sabotaged.

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Reply #53 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:54am

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 10:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2022 at 5:23pm:

I cannot think of anything attributable to capitalism that compares to what communists did through evil intent or incompetence. Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong.

So weapons companies lobbying members of governments to go to war after war after war don't count?

People that dies in cars,trucks,planes and buses because someone tried to cut corners to increase profits don't count?

They count - but they are not in the same category.

And no war has EVER started because of the lobbying of weapons manufacturers. None. Ever.

See FD, a straight answer .... No pussy footing around pretending to have a clue. Now why don't you try it.

By the way sore end, I disagree with the last comment. AMERICA for one, has been at war for just about every year for the last 60 years precisely because of the war machine industry lobbying govt. And thats just the US

Show us which war was started by the US because the weapons manufacturers told the government to start one.
This is pure fantasy. The system of checks and balances is simple to complex and long-established for such jejune, B grade fictional fantasy.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74217 Gender:	Re: Victims of communism Reply #54 - Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:56am Frank wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:54am: Show us which war was started by the US because the weapons manufacturers told the government to start one started / prolonged.. it's just semantics. Start with iraq
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Reply #55 - Jun 12^th, 2022 at 8:32am

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:55am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 10:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 8:37am:

I guess you haven't heard of the collapse of the Soviet Union and its immediate catastrophic effect on the Cuban economy, that was artificially propped up by the Soviet Union, and from which it has never recovered.

The Cuban economy only needed to be propped up artificially in the first place because of Western embargoes. Any failure of the Cuban economy is as likely to do with Western interference than it does it's system of govt.

Because communism always works out well for the economy, right?

I guess we'll never know since there hasn't, to my knowledge, been a single communist govt. that the west hasn't sabotaged.

Yugoslavia. Communism collapsed, as did its superficial multiethnic unity.

The eastern European countries that were freed from Russian-Soviet control and meddling (e.g. Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, the Baltic states, Hungary, East Germany via unification), went on to become stable, prosperous democracies.

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Reply #56 - Jun 12^th, 2022 at 9:27am

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:54am:

Show us which war was started by the US because the weapons manufacturers told the government to start one

started / prolonged.. it's just semantics.

Start with iraq

How did they do this? How can private companies override the government, the public service, the press, the popular sentiment and will, the military, the intelligence service etc?

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Reply #57 - Jun 12^th, 2022 at 4:06pm

Frank wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Jun 11^th, 2022 at 11:54am:

Show us which war was started by the US because the weapons manufacturers told the government to start one

started / prolonged.. it's just semantics.

Start with iraq

How did they do this? How can private companies override the government, the public service, the press, the popular sentiment and will, the military, the intelligence service etc?

override the govt? Grin

I know you are oblivious to the realities of life but they don't have to override govt. when they can buy them.

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Reply #58 - Jun 12^th, 2022 at 4:11pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

Yugoslavia. Communism collapsed, as did its superficial multiethnic unity.

They had bigger issues

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

The eastern European countries that were freed from Russian-Soviet control and meddling (e.g. Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, the Baltic states, Hungary, East Germany via unification), went on to become stable, prosperous democracies.

AFTER trade and economic sanctions against them had been lifted.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Victims of communism Reply #59 - Jun 12^th, 2022 at 4:16pm Because the government stopped slaughtering it's own citizens and controlling the food supply. Why are you so eager to support fascist mass murderers John?
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