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Reply #300 - Jan 30th, 2024 at 9:15pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 7th, 2024 at 3:12pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 29th, 2023 at 4:38pm:


Er....Burke isn't "in our time".

And of course the savagery unleashed by the French Revolution was egregious, but so was the entrenched disadvantage of most of the population.

Trust a blind conservative to fail to acknowledge the causes of revolution.


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Er....Burke isn't "in our time".


But he is the last known noble conservative ? Assuming that he may have been a noble conservative ?

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Re: Noble conservatism - Edmund Burke
Reply #301 - Jan 30th, 2024 at 9:37pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2024 at 5:16pm:
The Chinese definition of poverty is income below US$2.30 or about AUD3.70 per day.


Maybe so, but cost of living in China is relevant.

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On 28 May 2020, Li Keqiang, the Premier of China, said that "China has over 600 million people whose monthly income is barely 1,000 yuan (USD 140) and their lives have further been affected by the coronavirus pandemic.

That is about AUD225 per month, or AUD 7.50 a day. So, once again, the Chinese cheat and lie: they classify 7.50 a day as not poor because it is above $3.70.


It's not the absolute poverty that existed in China 4 decades ago, nor is it the degradation of the American poor living in tents in city streets.

And the Chinese middle class is growing (already the largest in the world), the US's  is stagnant - with half of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, with bankruptcy only an illness away....

Deplorable. 



Chinese lies. Always, lies, lies, cheating and more lies.

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Reply #302 - Jan 31st, 2024 at 10:57am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2024 at 9:37pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 30th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 30th, 2024 at 5:16pm:
The Chinese definition of poverty is income below US$2.30 or about AUD3.70 per day.


Maybe so, but cost of living in China is relevant.

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On 28 May 2020, Li Keqiang, the Premier of China, said that "China has over 600 million people whose monthly income is barely 1,000 yuan (USD 140) and their lives have further been affected by the coronavirus pandemic.

That is about AUD225 per month, or AUD 7.50 a day. So, once again, the Chinese cheat and lie: they classify 7.50 a day as not poor because it is above $3.70.


It's not the absolute poverty that existed in China 4 decades ago, nor is it the degradation of the American poor living in tents in city streets.

And the Chinese middle class is growing (already the largest in the world), the US's  is stagnant - with half of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, with bankruptcy only an illness away....

Deplorable. 



Chinese lies. Always, lies, lies, cheating and more lies.



Aha - the conservative's refuge of 'fake news" .....

google any of my asertions re paycheck to paycheck in the US cf growh of the Chinese middle class..
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Re: Noble conservatism - Edmund Burke
Reply #303 - Feb 13th, 2024 at 9:34am
 
Truth has become a "right wing concept".




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Reply #304 - Feb 13th, 2024 at 12:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2024 at 9:34am:
Truth has become a "right wing conpect".






A very confused woman  trying to prove reason is unreason (with John Anderson looking on approvingly...go figure).

Playing with words in an illogical fashion:

"Truth has become a right wing concept" because (wait for it...) "if you say it, you are considered RW...."

eg, trying to prove anti-racists are racists:

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"If you stand up against an ideology - I dont know - say, so-called anti-racism, which basically says all white preople are bad, you are called racist "


Fallacy of composition/straw man; not all anti-racists say that; and some RW - like some of all of us - ARE racist.

Her next trick: "biological women"...ok, she's on stronger ground, but trannies are only 0.1 percent of the population, why is she so concerned about tranny activists?

I think she already proved her grasp of "truth" is ideology-based.      
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Re: Noble conservatism - Edmund Burke
Reply #305 - Feb 13th, 2024 at 5:06pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2024 at 9:34am:
Truth has become a "right wing conpect".






A very confused woman  trying to prove reason is unreason (with John Anderson looking on approvingly...go figure).

Playing with words in an illogical fashion:

"Truth has become a right wing concept" because (wait for it...) "if you say it, you are considered RW...."

eg, trying to prove anti-racists are racists:

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"If you stand up against an ideology - I dont know - say, so-called anti-racism, which basically says all white preople are bad, you are called racist "


Fallacy of composition/straw man; not all anti-racists say that; and some RW - like some of all of us - ARE racist.

Her next trick: "biological women"...ok, she's on stronger ground, but trannies are only 0.1 percent of the population, why is she so concerned about tranny activists?

I think she already proved her grasp of "truth" is ideology-based.      


She is talking about cultural totalitarianism. You are an example of it, morally deformed parrot.

Cultural Marxism, Marxism, progressivism, woke, politically correct - vario guys terms for the same kind of mentality and outlook.


https://www.melaniephillips.com/totalitarianism-winning-west/
https://www.melaniephillips.com/eclipse-liberalism-conservatism/

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Re: Noble conservatism - Edmund Burke
Reply #306 - Feb 14th, 2024 at 10:57am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2024 at 5:06pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 13th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 13th, 2024 at 9:34am:
Truth has become a "right wing conpect".






A very confused woman  trying to prove reason is unreason (with John Anderson looking on approvingly...go figure).

Playing with words in an illogical fashion:

"Truth has become a right wing concept" because (wait for it...) "if you say it, you are considered RW...."

eg, trying to prove anti-racists are racists:

Quote:
"If you stand up against an ideology - I dont know - say, so-called anti-racism, which basically says all white preople are bad, you are called racist "


Fallacy of composition/straw man; not all anti-racists say that; and some RW - like some of all of us - ARE racist.

Her next trick: "biological women"...ok, she's on stronger ground, but trannies are only 0.1 percent of the population, why is she so concerned about tranny activists?

I think she already proved her grasp of "truth" is ideology-based.      


She is talking about cultural totalitarianism. You are an example of it, morally deformed parrot.



.... when the real issue is entrenched poverty, you dummy.

If there's no poverty (and there is absolutely no need for poverty in the modern AI and IT assisted economy), you can argue about "racism" to your heart's content (and I won't give a stuff). 

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Cultural Marxism, Marxism, progressivism, woke, politically correct - vario guys terms for the same kind of mentality and outlook.


All used to avoid looking at poverty eradication.
The problem is the right think poverty eradication is a zero sum game: the rich have to pay more taxes to erdicate poverty.

Why are you opposed to public sector funding of poverty eradication, given the public sector (the currency-issuer) can fund itself without borrowing or needing your money.

Note: the issue for a currency issuer is the resource limit, and inflation, not the money limit, because inflation can be controlled via price controls.

Why are you conflating "totalitarianism " with a public sector (government) funding itself?

You think poverty, to allow some people to become billionaires without price controls, is better than eradicating poverty while people can still become billionaires with price controls.   

And you think the private financiers demanding the sole privilege of funding government aren't "totalitarian".

Wake up, rather  than persisting with your "cultural  totalitarianism" nonsense, as a result of your belief in zero-sum economics.

We can all prosper, while some get rich.   



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Reply #307 - Feb 14th, 2024 at 11:04am
 
Poverty is a scam. Poverty brutalises the world with over-population. Having children, when you can't afford to feed them is child abuse.
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Re: Noble conservatism - Edmund Burke
Reply #308 - Feb 14th, 2024 at 11:21am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 14th, 2024 at 11:04am:
Poverty is a scam. Poverty brutalises the world with over-population. Having children, when you can't afford to feed them is child abuse.


The question is: who is responsible for the entrenched poverty in the world?

Note: currency-issuing governments can eradicate poverty overnight, if they claim their legitimate right to create  money, alongside private sector financiers who create money when they write loans in the private sector.

(Resources, not money, are the limit to a nation's wealth).

And note: population growth rates fall as poverty rates fall, because people don't want to be burdened - and fall into poverty -  by offspring they can't  afford to raise. 

Whereas absolute poverty  causes people to  propogate without limit, in the hope one offspring (who somehow  survives) might assist with the family's subsistence food production.
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Re: Noble conservatism - Edmund Burke
Reply #309 - Feb 14th, 2024 at 1:03pm
 
You mean like Ethiopians who breed like rabbits during massive famines only to watch their children die in their arms from starvation?
Does the word 'evil insanity' mean anything to you?
Face the fact that there are two 'failures' or evils in the world - those who over-populate and those who over-indulge with their wealth and power. Two 'extremisms' if ever there was one.
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Reply #310 - Feb 15th, 2024 at 11:22am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 14th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
You mean like Ethiopians who breed like rabbits during massive famines only to watch their children die in their arms from starvation?


Everyone suffers in famines, 3rd world countries more so where death stalks the land.

The point is, eradicate 3rd world national poverty, and watch the birth rate fall as people know they can't afford to raise more offspring.

Whereas the fact is people in absolete  poverty breed without restraint:
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"In developing countries children are needed as a labour force and to provide care for their parents in old age. In these countries, fertility rates are higher due to the lack of access to contraceptives and generally lower levels of female education."

Poor African countries have the highest birth rates - and lowest life expectancy.
 
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Does the word 'evil insanity' mean anything to you?


The evil is poverty, not the women having the babies, as noted above. 

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Face the fact that there are two 'failures' or evils in the world - those who over-populate and those who over-indulge with their wealth and power. Two 'extremisms' if ever there was one.


Refuted above: people don't "choose" to overpopulate, as already noted, poverty causes it.

Whereas over-indulgence indeed may be a sin of the wealthy.

You need to concede government can eradicate systemic poverty.


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Reply #311 - Feb 15th, 2024 at 7:09pm
 
Poverty is the end product of people who just don't care or expect, like begging - for others to care for them.
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Reply #312 - Feb 16th, 2024 at 11:01am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 15th, 2024 at 7:09pm:
Poverty is the end product of people who just don't care or expect, like begging - for others to care for them.


You are blaming the victims of poverty.

You ignore external (macroeconomic) realities, to repeat:

"In developing countries children are needed as a labour force and to provide care for their parents in old age. In these countries, fertility rates are higher due to the lack of access to contraceptives and generally lower levels of female education."

"needed as (free) labour" thus propagating poverty.


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Reply #313 - Feb 16th, 2024 at 1:10pm
 
...and 'all that' blames those people and nations that do not succumb to such. That's the point.
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Reply #314 - Feb 17th, 2024 at 10:43am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2024 at 1:10pm:
...and 'all that' blames those people and nations that do not succumb to such. That's the point.


Faulty macro-economics:

at the national level, the RBA is deliberately increasing unemployment -  and poverty - to control inflation.

It's a vicious policy, with RW politicians blaming the victims of the same RBA policy as "dole bludgers".

There are other ways to control inflation AND maintain real full employment.

And at the international level the IMF (Instant Misery Fund) insists on government 'austerity' to achive balanced budgets and repayment of loans - again increasing poverty.

You are captured by erroneous mainstream economic orthodoxy.


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