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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #165 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:23am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:15am:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

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AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2022 at 11:08pm:

Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering...

Good.

it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.

If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......

Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.

I think many are conflicted,

Roe V Wade was never pro or anti Abortion. It was a balanced position.

When Roe V Wade passed and later modified by Casey it was believed the outcome would likely be between 20 and 22 weeks. They finished with 24 weeks. IMO this is a bit far in that direction 20 weeks would have been a better balance maybe even 18.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #166 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 2:06am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:23am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:15am:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2022 at 11:08pm:

Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering...

Good.

it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.

If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......

Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.

I think many are conflicted,

Roe V Wade was never pro or anti Abortion. It was a balanced position.

When Roe V Wade passed and later modified by Casey it was believed the outcome would likely be between 20 and 22 weeks. They finished with 24 weeks. IMO this is a bit far in that direction 20 weeks would have been a better balance maybe even 18.

I bow to your knowledge on weeks etc.... I always said that Roe v Wade did not legalise abortion - it de-criminalised it in respect to the woman involved... but nobody else.... it was an each way bet.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #167 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:04pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 2:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:23am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:15am:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2022 at 11:08pm:

Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering...

Good.

it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.

If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......

Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.

I think many are conflicted,

Roe V Wade was never pro or anti Abortion. It was a balanced position.

When Roe V Wade passed and later modified by Casey it was believed the outcome would likely be between 20 and 22 weeks. They finished with 24 weeks. IMO this is a bit far in that direction 20 weeks would have been a better balance maybe even 18.

I bow to your knowledge on weeks etc.... I always said that Roe v Wade did not legalise abortion - it de-criminalised it in respect to the woman involved... but nobody else.... it was an each way bet.

It was Legislating from the Bench.....make a Right that didn't exist, into a Right that shouldn't exist.....it took almost 50 years to correct that errant court that legislated at the request of a majority.....Democracy....Mob Rule.....where 50% + 1 is given the power to reign Tyranny over the minority. Not only was the Roe decision completely wrong, it was itself Unconstitutional according to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Today, the Power to rule regarding Abortion rests solely with the States, as it should, in the hands of the People of each individual State to decide..........

➤ If the Pro-Abortion lot want to have a RIGHT to an Abortion, then they must offer an Amendment as per Article V of the US Constitution, & if the American People really want it, they can then make it a RIGHT via the Constitution's Amendment Process.....until then.....States Rule..........

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #168 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:11pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

It was Legislating from the Bench.....make a Right that didn't exist, into a Right that shouldn't exist.....it took almost 50 years to correct that errant court that legislated at the request of a majority.....Democracy....Mob Rule.....where 50% + 1 is given the power to reign Tyranny over the minority. Not only was the Roe decision completely wrong, it was itself Unconstitutional according to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Today, the Power to rule regarding Abortion rests solely with the States, as it should, in the hands of the People of each individual State to decide..........

➤ If the Pro-Abortion lot want to have a RIGHT to an Abortion, then they must offer an Amendment as per Article V of the US Constitution, & if the American People really want it, they can then make it a RIGHT via the Constitution's Amendment Process.....until then.....States Rule..........

The fact is, it was a weird way to give people a right they naturally should have. And of course America hates women

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #169 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:46pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

It was Legislating from the Bench.....make a Right that didn't exist, into a Right that shouldn't exist.....it took almost 50 years to correct that errant court that legislated at the request of a majority.....Democracy....Mob Rule.....where 50% + 1 is given the power to reign Tyranny over the minority. Not only was the Roe decision completely wrong, it was itself Unconstitutional according to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Today, the Power to rule regarding Abortion rests solely with the States, as it should, in the hands of the People of each individual State to decide..........

➤ If the Pro-Abortion lot want to have a RIGHT to an Abortion, then they must offer an Amendment as per Article V of the US Constitution, & if the American People really want it, they can then make it a RIGHT via the Constitution's Amendment Process.....until then.....States Rule..........

The fact is, it was a weird way to give people a right they naturally should have. And of course America hates women

Your opinion, but that Court was still Constitutionally Incorrect.....& finally this present day Court fixed the error, & returned the power over Abortion back to the individual American States where it was before Roe, & where it rightfully belonged in the first place.....not an opinion....FACT....

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #170 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:47pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Your opinion, but that Court was still Constitutionally Incorrect.....& finally this present day Court fixed the error, & returned the power over Abortion back to the individual States where it was before Roe, & where it rightfully belonged in the first place.....not an opinion....FACT....

This is obviously bullshit. But the fact some states hate women is clearly the main issue

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #172 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:52pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:51pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

This is obviously bullshit.

So you disagree with Ginsberg. Are you a lawyer too? Roll Eyes

The whole premise is bullshit TBH. What did the sexist old men who wrote the constitution think about something that didn't exist in their lifetime, because that's what we need to do? Christ.

And the Supreme Court clearly is ideological, it uses legalese to pursue a political agenda

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #173 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:56pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Your opinion, but that Court was still Constitutionally Incorrect.....& finally this present day Court fixed the error, & returned the power over Abortion back to the individual States where it was before Roe, & where it rightfully belonged in the first place.....not an opinion....FACT....

This is obviously bullshit. But the fact some states hate women is clearly the main issue

Then, the People of these States have the power to change their law, unlike the US Constitution process, by simply voting for legislatures that will change their local abortion legislation to say otherwise. Until then.......it's the State Law......don't like it.....move to a pro-abortion State....