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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #180 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:40pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:02pm:

So amend the Constitution. That is where laws should be made. Roll Eyes Under this broken system, yes

Who said the system is broken? Merely that you don't like the laws? Grin

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:02pm:

And that is why they shouldn't try to make laws that aren't in the Constitution. Roll Eyes Why not though? You didn't refute me

Because the SC is not responsible to the electorate. They are "unrepresentative swill". They do not hold the nations morals or anything in their hands. Wink

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Reply #181 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:00pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Gawd, you are ignorant and stupid. And you flaunt it, ratty on uppers, you are proud of it.

Abortion in the way it's done now, plus the idea of women's sexual freedom, did not exist at the time.

Bollocks, piggy on ice. That is not what you said.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:52pm:

The whole premise is bullshit TBH. What did the sexist old men who wrote the constitution think about something that didn't exist in their lifetime, because that's what we need to do? Christ.

There is nothing sexist in the US constitution. I doesn't even mention sex.

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Reply #182 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Gawd, you are ignorant and stupid. And you flaunt it, ratty on uppers, you are proud of it.

Abortion in the way it's done now, plus the idea of women's sexual freedom, did not exist at the time.

Bollocks.

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days. Not until 1588 did Pope Sixtus V declare all abortion murder, with excommunication as the punishment. Only 3 years later a new pope found the absolute sanction unworkable and again allowed early abortions. 300 years would pass before the Catholic church under Pius IX again declared all abortion murder. This standard, declared in 1869, remains the official position of the church, reaffirmed by the current pope.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12340403/

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Reply #183 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:05pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Gawd, you are ignorant and stupid. And you flaunt it, ratty on uppers, you are proud of it.

Abortion in the way it's done now, plus the idea of women's sexual freedom, did not exist at the time.

Bollocks.

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days. Not until 1588 did Pope Sixtus V declare all abortion murder, with excommunication as the punishment. Only 3 years later a new pope found the absolute sanction unworkable and again allowed early abortions. 300 years would pass before the Catholic church under Pius IX again declared all abortion murder. This standard, declared in 1869, remains the official position of the church, reaffirmed by the current pope.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12340403/

It's weird how illiterate you are

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Reply #185 - Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:37am

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days

And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?

They didn't have to specifically; it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and 80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.

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Reply #186 - Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:28am

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days

And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?

They didn't have to specifically; it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and 80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.

of course it's bullshit. It has no more basis than my grandmother dangling a ring on a string in front of the belly to see which way it went. Left meant girl, right meant boy ...

the thing is that they did it multiple times during the pregnancy, and each time get a different result, so that by the time the baby came they could claim they got it right because it went left or right at least on one attempt Roll Eyes

you could never convince them otherwise though Cheesy

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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: ROE v WADE Overturned Reply #187 - Jul 14^th, 2022 at 6:59pm Like abortions are ever going to banned. No more than booze. There is a human an sane way to deal with the human condition and then there is the certain, half wit, prohibitionist way.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: ROE v WADE Overturned Reply #188 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:09pm Time to invest in a back ally veterinarian clinic and coat hanger company in Mississippi.
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Jake Winker Frogen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1480 Perth WA Gender:	Re: ROE v WADE Overturned Reply #189 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:10pm Time to invest in a back ally veterinarian clinic and coat hanger company in Mississippi.
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Reply #190 - Jul 19^th, 2022 at 8:29am

At the time of the Revolution abortion was done eating certain herbs that were abortifacients. Usually helped by the local “witch.”

The religious right are going to regret Dobbs because there will be horror stories to come plus some that have already happened.

In Ohio a 10yo girl was raped and became pregnant as a result. Pregnancy was discovered 6 weeks and 3 days into to the oregnancy so no abortion was allowed under STUPID Ohio law. So she was driven to Indiana to a doctor there who helped the young girl. That doctor is under investigation now tho did nothing wrong.

In some states doctors will not treat ectopic pregnancies—too afraid of the huge fines and long jail time for helping a pregnant woman. There will be deaths because of this bullshit.

Similarly, already happened in Texas and Wisconsin that I know about, women that suffer miscarriages that do not completely expel the fetal tissue will not be helped while there is a fetal heartbeat.

This crap about “fetal heartbeat” at 6 weeks needs to be exposed. A fetus does not have a heart at 6 weeks, it is just electrical impulses. Nevertheless many women will be caught by this.

Who is going to be mainly affected by this evil law? Poor, mostly colored women. As regards to “saving babies” that woman being FORCED to give birth may lose the family she has now. Some states specifically excluse rape, incest AND THE LIFE OF THE WOMAN as reasons for aborting a pregnancy.

Dodds is all about control of women. That is the US, all about control.

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If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46852 Gender:	Re: ROE v WADE Overturned Reply #191 - Jul 19^th, 2022 at 6:47pm Whoever supports this is just scum: Quote: Here's the account from a New Orleans doctor, who was told by her hospital's lawyer she couldn't perform a D&E on a 16-weeks-pregnant woman whose water broke. Instead, she went through a "painful, hours-long labor to deliver a nonviable fetus, despite her wishes"
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Reply #192 - Jul 19^th, 2022 at 6:51pm

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"She was screaming--not from pain, but from the emotional trauma she was experiencing," the doctor wrote. After delivering the fetus, she hemorrhaged and lost close to a liter of blood.

"There is absolutely no medical basis...to experience anything like this"

Scum puts women through this crap, not normal people.

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Reply #193 - Jul 20^th, 2022 at 7:18am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 19^th, 2022 at 6:47pm:

Whoever supports this is just scum...

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This is just disgusting. What a horrific scenario for the poor woman.
They should've video'd this and forced all justices on the Supreme
Court to watch it. Would any of them have been happy were the
patient their wife or daughter? I'm betting not.

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Reply #194 - Jul 20^th, 2022 at 8:08am

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days

and how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?

Prayer, dear. It's okay though.

The old boy's pro-death.

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