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Reply #210 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:13pm

Steampipe wrote on Jul 20^th, 2022 at 11:12am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 20^th, 2022 at 7:18am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 19^th, 2022 at 6:47pm:

Whoever supports this is just scum...

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This is just disgusting. What a horrific scenario for the poor woman.
They should've video'd this and forced all justices on the Supreme
Court to watch it. Would any of them have been happy were the
patient their wife or daughter? I'm betting not.

This is just milking the political angle.

No doctor would be charged if they protected their patient.

Just like it is against the law to drive over the speed limit but if you have a medical emergency and drive over the limit no policeman will charge you.

Lawyers advice will always be by the letter of the law.

I don't believe that this story is even true.

Deluded much?

Or

Very Much?

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #211 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:17pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:28am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days

And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?

They didn't have to specifically; it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and 80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.

of course it's bullshit. It has no more basis than my grandmother dangling a ring on a string in front of the belly to see which way it went. Left meant girl, right meant boy ...

the thing is that they did it multiple times during the pregnancy, and each time get a different result, so that by the time the baby came they could claim they got it right because it went left or right at least on one attempt Roll Eyes

you could never convince them otherwise though Cheesy

Sounds like the result may have been transsexual ?

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #212 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:22pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:28am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days

And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?

They didn't have to specifically; it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and 80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.

of course it's bullshit. It has no more basis than my grandmother dangling a ring on a string in front of the belly to see which way it went. Left meant girl, right meant boy ...

the thing is that they did it multiple times during the pregnancy, and each time get a different result, so that by the time the baby came they could claim they got it right because it went left or right at least on one attempt Roll Eyes

you could never convince them otherwise though Cheesy

Sounds like the result may have been transsexual ?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #213 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:39pm

Panther wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 2:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:23am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:15am:

Panther wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2022 at 11:08pm:

Joe Biden to sign executive order protecting access to abortion

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/08/joe-biden-to-sign-order-offering...

Good.

it's a good start, but it doesn't restore womens rights to what they were. It's now up to Americans to vote out republicans across the board at the next election and allow the democrats to pass a law that gives them back those rights.

If they want to make Abortion a Right, then they will have to go the Amendment route.....a simple legislative action is only as good as long as it stays in favor of the political party in power, whereas a Constitutional Amendment is the Law of the Land unless amended itself.

Being that amending the US Constitution has only been successful 17 times in over 230 years, it tends to stick when it is......

Let The People Decide??

If that's the way the cards fall - that's the way they fall, but at least if every person is enabled a vote, some genuine consensus will arise...

Same here on many issues.....

I think - though I am always conflicted about this issue and not on religious grounds since I have no religion (me father was Protestant- me mither Catholic - I'm beyond redemption) - I would vote YES to abortion on balance of outcomes.

I think many are conflicted,

Roe V Wade was never pro or anti Abortion. It was a balanced position.

When Roe V Wade passed and later modified by Casey it was believed the outcome would likely be between 20 and 22 weeks. They finished with 24 weeks. IMO this is a bit far in that direction 20 weeks would have been a better balance maybe even 18.

I bow to your knowledge on weeks etc.... I always said that Roe v Wade did not legalise abortion - it de-criminalised it in respect to the woman involved... but nobody else.... it was an each way bet.

It was Legislating from the Bench.....make a Right that didn't exist, into a Right that shouldn't exist.....it took almost 50 years to correct that errant court that legislated at the request of a majority.....Democracy....Mob Rule.....where 50% + 1 is given the power to reign Tyranny over the minority. Not only was the Roe decision completely wrong, it was itself Unconstitutional according to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Today, the Power to rule regarding Abortion rests solely with the States, as it should, in the hands of the People of each individual State to decide..........

➤ If the Pro-Abortion lot want to have a RIGHT to an Abortion, then they must offer an Amendment as per Article V of the US Constitution, & if the American People really want it, they can then make it a RIGHT via the Constitution's Amendment Process.....until then.....States Rule..........

The Ninth amendment protects existing rights. This is a right that existed for about 50 years making it an existing right.

The supreme courts logic is bogus in claiming that the only rights protected are those that existed pre 1868. The supreme court would not be willing to apply this measure to a heap of other rights.

Was there a 1868 right to own an AR-15 ?

Note: There is no right to marry in the constitution. In fact neither women or Blacks exist in the constitution.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #214 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:42pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:28am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 12:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 5:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

In the early Roman Catholic church, abortion was permitted for male fetuses in the first 40 days of pregnancy and for female fetuses in the first 80-90 days

And how could they tell the sex of the foetus? Ultrasound?

They didn't have to specifically; it had to do with the so-called "quickening".

Aristotle believed that male foetuses take on human characteristics after
40 days in the womb, and female foetuses after about 80 days. For Aristotle,
this quickening (foetal movement) represented the moment when those
foetuses became "animated".

So... 40-day quickening = male, and 80-day quickening = female.

—Which of course is total bullshit.

of course it's bullshit. It has no more basis than my grandmother dangling a ring on a string in front of the belly to see which way it went. Left meant girl, right meant boy ...

the thing is that they did it multiple times during the pregnancy, and each time get a different result, so that by the time the baby came they could claim they got it right because it went left or right at least on one attempt Roll Eyes

you could never convince them otherwise though Cheesy

Sounds like the result may have been transsexual ?

My family did the same thing but at least they laughed about it.

I (we) are probably the last parents that I know who didn't find out the baby's sex till she was born.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #216 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 3:05pm

Steampipe wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:42pm:

I (we) are probably the last parents that I know who didn't find out the baby's sex till she was born.

Future parents will not know the sex of their child until the child decides and even then it could change often.

Yes isn't this level of acceptance wonderful?

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Reply #217 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 3:29pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 3:05pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:42pm:

I (we) are probably the last parents that I know who didn't find out the baby's sex till she was born.

Future parents will not know the sex of their child until the child decides and even then it could change often.

Yes isn't this level of acceptance wonderful?

A parable

It was foretold that the year's harvest of rye would be contaminated with ergot, a fungus with effects similar to LSD. Whoever ate the rye would become mad.

The prime minister said we must put aside enough grain so we won't have to eat this year's harvest.

But the king said, "But then we will be the only ones who will be sane. Everyone else will be mad. Therefore they will think that we are the mad ones. Therefore, we too must eat this year's grain. But we will put a mark on our foreheads so at least we will know we are mad. I will look at your forehead you will look at mine, and when we see this sign, we will know we are both mad."

That's where all this ergot-contaminated wokery and gender-schmender claptrap crap is taking us.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #218 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 9:30pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 1:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

...Abortion is carried out in a clinical setting, involving dozens of people - hardly a procedure carried out in the privacy of your bedroom as the the act that led to it was.
It is a personal matter but very far from something done in privacy.

Not so. I'm guessing you've never been in an abortion clinic?

The woman is in a private room in the surgery, with the doctor
and one, or sometimes two nurses. And the commonly used
vacuum aspiration takes about 5-10 minutes to perform, so it's
hardly a drawn out procedure (if you'll excuse the pun).

And of course abortions need to be carried out in a suitably
equipped surgery with all its hygiene and sterilisation procedures
in place. Do you seriously believe that it's better for abortions
to be carried out in a bedroom, with all its concomitant health and
safety risks?

And as for your claimed "dozens" of people? Nonsensical.

There are dozens of people involved before and after the woman gets into that room with the doc and two nurses.

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Reply #219 - Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:52am

The evil abortion ban laws will see the maternal death rates among colored women reach 33%:

Quote:

Nearly 50 years after the historic landmark decision that helped inform and shape women’s rights to choose, The Supreme Court in a 5–4 decision, viciously overturned Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood, ending the constitutional right to abortion and shaking women’s rights to the core.

More personally for Black women, the decision represents a deeper plunge into devastating health effects; — as if significant health and maternal mortality rates are not disparaging enough, the ban could potentially raise Black maternal deaths to 33 percent, in the same America where Black women already face some of the worst health and pregnancy-related outcomes.

https://madamenoire.com/1320765/black-women-reproductive-rights/

A woman with an ectopic pregnancy—death to fetus and mother—was sent home by her OBS-GYN! To see if it might turn into another kind (normal?) of pregnancy. This is evil sh

it

!

https://t.co/Yd2K9KYS4d

ProLife my arse! Racist to the core. One of the idiot SCOYUS judges based his decision on the writings of Hale:

Quote:

Hale's writings have been cited as recently as 2022: his opinion on abortion was cited by Samuel Alito in the leaked opinion version of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.[90]

Hale lived in the time of the English Civil Ware and the Restoration.

Hale was a male chauvinist to the core and due to his writings (incl judgements as chief justice of England) and so propagated belief that men are in charge of women. Hale hated single or divorced older women—they were not controlled by men. Witches and demons do not exist, of course, but some of the old women knew plants and herbs that could cause spontaneous miscarriage—abortions. Women making choices themselves about their own fertility and bodily autonomy was of course anathema to male chauvinists like Hale and the dickhead “justice” Alito.

Hale is in the common law etc “everywhere” in England and in America (and likely here too.) He needs to be expunged and replaced with civilised laws/judgements!

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Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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Reply #220 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:11am

Here we go—ban abortions to increase the number of white babies?

Some think that the anti-abortion movement wants to ban abortion so that the white race will grow in numbers—and they use disgusting propaganda to convert people to the anti-abortion movement—Jews eating babies etc.

Funny part is, most white women will be wealthy enough to afford safe abortions, it will be the poor, incl colored, women will be forced to give birth if they become pregnant. So white numbers will decline relative to black people.

https://reprorights.substack.com/p/expert-discusses-link-between-white?sd=pf

Of course it is poor women, in the US mostly colored women, who will be forced to give birth, most white women will be able to obtain safe abortions so white numbers will DECREASE relative to colored people! Who expects sense from christo-fascists?

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If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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Reply #221 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:13am

And the poo just rolls on and on. “ProLife” my rosy red arse!

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ATLANTA — More than 50 years ago, Susie Beall experienced unthinkable pain, when she says her own father repeatedly raped her at their metro Atlanta home, leaving her pregnant at 13 years old.

“Carrying your own father’s child is one of the most disgusting feelings that a child can have, said Beall. “And when I look back on that, I know that he contaminated my entire youth.”

Now, she’s worried more Georgia girls will experience that same pain.

While Georgia’s new heartbeat abortion law does allow for exceptions for victims of rape and incest, it also says they must file a police report to receive an abortion. [my emphasis.]

But Beall says many victims of incest are afraid to tell on relatives – sometimes out of concern for their own safety.

“That’s why I stayed quiet because I knew my father would kill me. I knew it,” said Beall.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/incest-victim-says-georgia-heartbeat-ab...

A 13yo can’t leave home and set up a new life somewhere unless a relative takes her in.

Filthy sh

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these laws!

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Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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Reply #222 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:16am

Good colleges in the states that ban abortion will find student numbers decrease as girls in senior HS will chose colleges in states that allow safe abortion. Not just abortion—these hell holes want to ban contraception! As some speculate—this crap (abortion bans) is to increase white numbers!

Businesses in states that ban abortion are already looking to grow their businesses outside of those states.

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If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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Reply #224 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 5:07pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 7:52am:

The evil abortion ban laws will see the maternal death rates among colored women reach 33%:

Quote:

Nearly 50 years after the historic landmark decision that helped inform and shape women’s rights to choose, The Supreme Court in a 5–4 decision, viciously overturned Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood, ending the constitutional right to abortion and shaking women’s rights to the core.

More personally for Black women, the decision represents a deeper plunge into devastating health effects; — as if significant health and maternal mortality rates are not disparaging enough, the ban could potentially raise Black maternal deaths to 33 percent, in the same America where Black women already face some of the worst health and pregnancy-related outcomes.

https://madamenoire.com/1320765/black-women-reproductive-rights/

A woman with an ectopic pregnancy—death to fetus and mother—was sent home by her OBS-GYN! To see if it might turn into another kind (normal?) of pregnancy. This is evil sh

it

!

https://t.co/Yd2K9KYS4d

ProLife my arse! Racist to the core. One of the idiot SCOYUS judges based his decision on the writings of Hale:

Quote:

Hale's writings have been cited as recently as 2022: his opinion on abortion was cited by Samuel Alito in the leaked opinion version of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.[90]

Hale lived in the time of the English Civil Ware and the Restoration.

Hale was a male chauvinist to the core and due to his writings (incl judgements as chief justice of England) and so propagated belief that men are in charge of women. Hale hated single or divorced older women—they were not controlled by men. Witches and demons do not exist, of course, but some of the old women knew plants and herbs that could cause spontaneous miscarriage—abortions. Women making choices themselves about their own fertility and bodily autonomy was of course anathema to male chauvinists like Hale and the dickhead “justice” Alito.

Hale is in the common law etc “everywhere” in England and in America (and likely here too.) He needs to be expunged and replaced with civilised laws/judgements!

What a load of bollocks, Baldrick.
Viciously??? Viciously overturned?? WTF???

Racist to the core? Balls again.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?curr...

I bet anything that you have no idea about common law, or indeed what Alito cited from Hale, in what context or what it means.

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