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Reply #225 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 5:19pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:16am:

Good colleges in the states that ban abortion will find student numbers decrease as girls in senior HS will chose colleges in states that allow safe abortion. Not just abortion—these hell holes want to ban contraception! As some speculate—this crap (abortion bans) is to increase white numbers!

Businesses in states that ban abortion are already looking to grow their businesses outside of those states.

Cheeses!!!

The Pill was hailed as the turning point for women's liberation. Now it's abortion or nuffin'. Nobody is contemplating the banning of contraception that prevents conceptions.

You do know, Baldrick, that state law can be changed by the electorate. A SCOTUS decision cannot. Abortion is not banned by the overturning of Roe. Laws regulating it are simply recognised to be the responsibility of State legislatures (JUST LIKE IN AUSTRALIA).

And "growing the abortion business"?? A good thing??

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Reply #226 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 6:09pm

Oh I have some idea about common law, ignopramus.

But every day since the SCOTUS viciously overturned Roe v Wade ON PURELY IDEOLOGICAL GROUNDS I read of raped children (10–15yo) HAVING to carry the fetus of their attacker. In at least SEVEN of these backward states the children will have to cede parental rights to their rapist!

Also, women who WANTED their pregnancy but had problems—partial miscarriage, waters breaking early, before the fetus developed lungs etc etc now have to go through hell because of these devil-inspired laws.

Then the children, raped and often raped by an uncle or father—they give birth then THEIR life is wrecked and the rape babies they are FORCED to give birth to never are healthy or normal.

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Reply #227 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 6:11pm

The third world states that ban abortion are moving to ban contraception, Sore End! IUDs by definition are outlawed as is the morning after pill*. Why don’t you do some damn reading instead of expounding your ignorance here eh?

* There is a medicine used to treat autoimmune diseases like Lupus. That drug is also used, in MUCH HIGHER doses, to clean up ectopic pregnancies. Because of these evil laws drafted in a hurry by morons who have no medical knowledge at all women in the third world states can no longer get this drug so must turn to more expensive and less effective alternative treatments because oh no we can’t have an abortion, can we?

Do you know about the “dob in a neighbor” laws in Texas and other retarded states. I bet you didn’t.

All this to force poor women, colored women mostly, to give birth. Too fricking bad about those women’s partners and existing children and that woman’s job, eh? These evil laws are racist from the get go!

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Reply #228 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:24pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 6:09pm:

Oh I have some idea about common law, ignopramus.

But every day since the SCOTUS viciously overturned Roe v Wade ON PURELY IDEOLOGICAL GROUNDS I read of raped children (10–15yo) HAVING to carry the fetus of their attacker. In at least SEVEN of these backward states the children will have to cede parental rights to their rapist!

Also, women who WANTED their pregnancy but had problems—partial miscarriage, waters breaking early, before the fetus developed lungs etc etc now have to go through hell because of these devil-inspired laws.

Then the children, raped and often raped by an uncle or father—they give birth then THEIR life is wrecked and the rape babies they are FORCED to give birth to never are healthy or normal.

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Reply #230 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:32pm

Then we have THIS shyte:

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A Florida appeals court on Monday upheld a ruling that denied a parentless 16-year-old an abortion out of concern she “lacked the maturity to make the decision.”
But she has the maturity to be a single mother, with no family, education or resources?

Insanity!

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46218 Gender:	Re: ROE v WADE Overturned Reply #231 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 8:46pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:25pm: No refutation of what I posted, eh Sore End? State law, mong.
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Reply #232 - Aug 19^th, 2022 at 11:16pm

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 5:19pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:16am:

Good colleges in the states that ban abortion will find student numbers decrease as girls in senior HS will chose colleges in states that allow safe abortion. Not just abortion—these hell holes want to ban contraception! As some speculate—this crap (abortion bans) is to increase white numbers!

Businesses in states that ban abortion are already looking to grow their businesses outside of those states.

Cheeses!!!

The Pill was hailed as the turning point for women's liberation. Now it's abortion or nuffin'. Nobody is contemplating the banning of contraception that prevents conceptions.

You do know, Baldrick, that state law can be changed by the electorate. A SCOTUS decision cannot. Abortion is not banned by the overturning of Roe. Laws regulating it are simply recognised to be the responsibility of State legislatures (JUST LIKE IN AUSTRALIA).

And "growing the abortion business"?? A good thing??

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Nobody is contemplating the banning of contraception that prevents conceptions.

Rubbish it is exactly what the right to life group want and it is what various states may decide to deliver.

You comment is so uneducated that you see to not even be aware that this is exactly what Supreme court Justice Clarence Thomas argued in his official support to the Dobbs decision.

This means that the belief that banning contraception is an expected result of the Dobbs decision - only one of many..

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Thomas voted with the 6-3 majority that struck down Roe. In a concurring opinion, however, he expressed the view that he would go further — much further — than the majority in thinking through the implications of today’s decision. One passage in particular captured people’s attention:

In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any substantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,” we have a duty to “correct the error” established in those precedents.

The key concept is the term “substantive due process,” which refers to the idea that the Constitution protects rights that are neither purely procedural (like rights to fair trial procedures) nor explicitly mentioned in the Constitution (like the freedom of the press). Thomas is arguing that such “unenumerated” rights are basically made up: not just the right to abortion protected in Roe, but also protections for birth control in Griswold v. Connecticut, same-sex sexual relations in Lawrence v. Texas, and same-sex marriage in Obergefell.

Here he is asking for (soliciting) cases to be brought to the supreme court to allow things like contraception and same sex marriage to be banned.

You say nobody is calling for this but the truth is that it could hardly be a more high profile push for exactly that.

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Reply #233 - Aug 20^th, 2022 at 7:56am

What Thomas is saying is NOT banning contraception or gay marriage but reversing earlier SCOTUS decisions that empowered the Court itself to make, effectively, national laws rather than leaving the law making to thh he States where the power properly belongs - just like around laws on abortion.

This is about reversing activist judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

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Reply #234 - Aug 20^th, 2022 at 10:55pm

Frank wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 7:56am:

What Thomas is saying is NOT banning contraception or gay marriage but reversing earlier SCOTUS decisions that empowered the Court itself to make, effectively, national laws rather than leaving the law making to thh he States where the power properly belongs - just like around laws on abortion.

This is about reversing activist judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

Just as the nutbag states are banning all abortion they will ban contraception and same sex marriage.

Removing the Supreme court rulings that protect these rights effective for many people ends the rights as we are seeing with abortion in many US states.

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Nobody is contemplating the banning of contraception that prevents conceptions.

The fact remains that the statement you made is 100% untrue there is a push for this to happen.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46835 Gender:	Re: ROE v WADE Overturned Reply #235 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 7:24am If Frank would only do some reading. . . Repug Governor candidate—the 10yo giving birth to her rape baby and bonding with it will be an opportunity to heal the pain of the rape or wtte. These people are not normal. christofascists more like.
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Reply #236 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:54am

This is about reversing activist SCOTUS judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

Change State law through the political process, that's what it is for. No Australian High Court could discover it has powers to make laws for the States - and so abortion in Australia is a matter for the State legislatures.

And now, once again, also in the US. And that's all this is about.

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Reply #237 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 9:03am

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:54am:

This is about reversing activist SCOTUS judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

Change State law through the political process, that's what it is for. No Australian High Court could discover it has powers to make laws for the States - and so abortion in Australia is a matter for the State legislatures.

And now, once again, also in the US. And that's all this is about.

^^^ Frank, on repeat and missing the point for literal months now.

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Reply #238 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 9:30am

Frank wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 7:56am:

What Thomas is saying is NOT banning contraception or gay marriage but reversing earlier SCOTUS decisions that empowered the Court itself to make, effectively, national laws rather than leaving the law making to thh he States where the power properly belongs - just like around laws on abortion.

This is about reversing activist judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

The power belongs to women - not elected representatives.

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Reply #239 - Aug 21^st, 2022 at 11:29am

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 9:03am:

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2022 at 8:54am:

This is about reversing activist SCOTUS judges' decisions appropriating powers that don't belong to them but to ELECTED representatives.

Change State law through the political process, that's what it is for. No Australian High Court could discover it has powers to make laws for the States - and so abortion in Australia is a matter for the State legislatures.

And now, once again, also in the US. And that's all this is about.

^^^ Frank, on repeat and missing the point for literal months now.

Not at all.

It is NOT for courts to legislate on made-up grounds like privacy.

Even Bader Ginsburg thought that was unfortunate. If anything, she said, equal protection rights under the constitution might have been a better ground than privacy.

In any case, SCOTUS found that abortion is not a privacy matter in the meaning of privacy in the constitution (as Ginsburg also said) so they reversed Roe which was on that basis. It is a constitutional law issue. Roe was in error in constitutional law.

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