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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #90 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:07am

The States that restrict abortion will need to support a lot of unwanted children....I fail to see the logic in forcing woman to give birth after being raped....The long term repercussions will add to the poverty and degradation of American society!!!

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Louisiana Trigger Bill Criminalizes Abortions Even For Rape, Incest Cases

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/louisiana-trigger-bill-criminalizes-abortions-e...

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #91 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:17am

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:07am:

The States that restrict abortion will need to support a lot of unwanted children....I fail to see the logic in forcing woman to give birth after being raped....The long term repercussions will add to the poverty and degradation of American society!!!

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Louisiana Trigger Bill Criminalizes Abortions Even For Rape, Incest Cases

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/louisiana-trigger-bill-criminalizes-abortions-e...

Let the people of Louisiana change the law, they are the ONLY ones who have the power to make abortion law, not the Federal Congress in DC.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #92 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:20am

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 8:43am:

The decision is about constitutional authority. The SCOUS, like our High Court, decides whether laws are constitutional or not, or in this case, SCOTUS decisions are. The Roe v Wade decision said that there is a Constitutional right to abortion THEREFORE federal law can override State legislation.
This decision found that there is no express or implied right to abortion in the Constitution - or any mention of it or of anything remotely related to it - THEREFORE the legal authority to regulate it is with the States, not the Federal legislature.

People can, and will, campaign for abortion law reform in their states. But if the electorate wants to restrict it, they will, if they want to liberalise it, they will.

The American People only have one other Constitutional remedy available to them to override a Supreme Court Decision, & that is to amend the US Constitution itself via the process the Founding Fathers provided the People contained in Article V of the Constitution.

Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen, proposes an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives) & (100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators).

If Successful in the US Congress then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States, where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by the individual State's Constitution, it must be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) is limited Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #93 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:40am

Panther wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:20am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 8:43am:

The decision is about constitutional authority. The SCOUS, like our High Court, decides whether laws are constitutional or not, or in this case, SCOTUS decisions are. The Roe v Wade decision said that there is a Constitutional right to abortion THEREFORE federal law can override State legislation.
This decision found that there is no express or implied right to abortion in the Constitution - or any mention of it or of anything remotely related to it - THEREFORE the legal authority to regulate it is with the States, not the Federal legislature.

People can, and will, campaign for abortion law reform in their states. But if the electorate wants to restrict it, they will, if they want to liberalise it, they will.

The American People only have one other Constitutional remedy available to them to override a Supreme Court Decision, & that is to amend the US Constitution itself via the process the Founding Fathers provided the People contained in Article V of the Constitution.

Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen, proposes an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives) & (100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators).

If Successful in the US Congress then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States, where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by the individual State's Constitution, it must be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) is limited Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.

You do not need constitutional amendment to make State laws about abortion - and a raft of other things that are not in Federal Congress's authority according to the constitution.

https://www.thoughtco.com/constitution-article-i-section-8-3322343

The same principle holds in Australia which is why there are no federal abortion laws, only State laws.

"In Australia, abortion is protected at the state and territory level, we don't have a constitutional right to abortion," Human Rights Law Centre associate legal director Adrianne Walters said.

"In fact, we don't have national comprehensive human rights protections in Australia, which is something a lot of people don't realise."

Abortion has been decriminalised in all jurisdictions except Western Australia, where it is still regulated by the Criminal Code.

Last year South Australia became the final state apart from WA to move abortion from criminal law into healthcare legislation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-26/roe-v-wade-australia-abortion-law-access-not-guaranteed/101183518

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #94 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 1:13pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:40am:

Panther wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:20am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 8:43am:

The decision is about constitutional authority. The SCOUS, like our High Court, decides whether laws are constitutional or not, or in this case, SCOTUS decisions are. The Roe v Wade decision said that there is a Constitutional right to abortion THEREFORE federal law can override State legislation.
This decision found that there is no express or implied right to abortion in the Constitution - or any mention of it or of anything remotely related to it - THEREFORE the legal authority to regulate it is with the States, not the Federal legislature.

People can, and will, campaign for abortion law reform in their states. But if the electorate wants to restrict it, they will, if they want to liberalise it, they will.

The American People only have one other Constitutional remedy available to them to override a Supreme Court Decision, & that is to amend the US Constitution itself via the process the Founding Fathers provided the People contained in Article V of the Constitution.

Process to Amend the US Constitution:

Someone, a Congressman, a Senator, any citizen, proposes an amendment to the US Constitution via Congress.

Individually, each House of Congress (The US House of Representatives & the US Senate) must agree to debate, & then vote on the Amendment.

Each House must pass the Amendment by a two-thirds (2/3) Super-Majority vote.

(435 US Representatives of the US House times 2/3 equals 290 Representatives) & (100 US Senators times 2/3 equals 67 Senators).

If Successful in the US Congress then the proposed Amendment gets sent to the 50 individual States, where it requires 3/4 of all the States (50 times 3/4 equals 38 States) to Ratify the new Amendment.

At the State level ratification is either done within the individual State's Legislatures, or if mandated by the individual State's Constitution, it must be sent to the Citizens of that State via referendum to vote on the proposed Amendment.

Usually the entire States ratification process (all 50 States combined) is limited Seven (7) years.

There have been 27 Amendments to the Constitution to date.

Approximately 11,770 measures have been submitted to the US Congress that proposed amendments to the US Constitution from 1789 through January 3, 2019 (over the span of 230+ years).

Since 1789, Congress was only able to successfully submit 33 proposed Constitutional amendments to the States for ratification.

Of these, only 27 have been ratified by the requisite number of States.

That means well over 11,000 proposed Amendments to the US Constitution could not be agreed to by a Super-Majority of Congress.

The first 10 Amendments ratified by the States, to become part of their US Constitution (the Peoples Document), were/are called "The Bill of Rights" the Rights of the American People.

So, in over 230 years, only 27 Amendments (17 if you don't include the American People's Bill of Rights, which were ratified in block) made it through the entire process successfully.

And BTW only one (1) Constitutional Amendment has ever been enacted to repeal another - "Nuked" as some call it - & never has a repeal of a Right of the People ever been even suggested for ratification by the American People.

The 21st Amendment, ratified in 1933, repealed the 18th Amendment, ratified in 1919, which had instituted Prohibition.

You do not need constitutional amendment to make State laws about abortion - and a raft of other things that are not in Federal Congress's authority according to the constitution.

https://www.thoughtco.com/constitution-article-i-section-8-3322343

True.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #95 - Jun 26^th, 2022 at 1:31pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2022 at 11:40am:

...Abortion has been decriminalised in all jurisdictions except Western Australia, where it is still regulated by the Criminal Code.

This is not as bad as it sounds. In Western Australia, since May 1998,
abortions have been allowed on request, with a referral from a doctor,
up to 20 weeks of pregnancy.

In actuality, legal terminations were available in Western Australia from
the early 1980s.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: ROE v WADE Overturned Reply #96 - Jun 27^th, 2022 at 7:06am Kristi Noem plans to bar abortion pills Good luck with that, bitch https://twitter.com/AP/status/1541149627176697869
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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #99 - Jun 27^th, 2022 at 8:19am

INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session

We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear. I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZKellyT/status/1540544468482260992?s=20&t=UElULx--dX...

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Reply #100 - Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:00am

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session

We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear. I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZKellyT/status/1540544468482260992?s=20&t=UElULx--dX...

Was it another coordinated attempt to subvert the Constitution and overturn a legitimate election, Frank?

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #101 - Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:07am

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 7:06am:

Kristi Noem plans to bar abortion pills
Good luck with that, bitch

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1541149627176697869

Unbelievable how divisive and socially destructive this moron is. Never
having heard of her, I checked her Wiki entry, and was duly disgusted.
She stands for everything that most enlightened, rational, sane people
would abhor. It escapes me how someone still living in a 1950's black
and white television era could've even been elected.

What the flying f**k is wrong with the residents of South Dakota?

I can only assume that Noem was the result of an unsuccessful abortion?

Quote:

Elected as an ally of Donald Trump, Noem explicitly refused to follow the
guidance of medical experts during the COVID-19 pandemic, and did not
enact any of the standard public health and safety protections used in
other states. She did not implement face mask mandates, raised doubts
about the efficacy of mask-wearing, encouraged large gatherings without
social distancing or mask-wearing, and questioned public health experts'
advice.

[As of 20 June 2022, South Dakota has a COVID death rate of
332 per 100,000 people v. Mississippi at 420 and Utah at 150.]

Needless to say, Noem is anti-abortion. She supports the anti-abortion
group Susan B. Anthony List, and has said she intends to maintain her
100% anti-abortion voting record.

Quote:

Noem has signed several bills restricting abortion, saying that the bills
would "crack down on abortion providers in South Dakota". She also
said, "A strong and growing body of medical research provides evidence
that unborn babies can feel, think, and recognize sounds in the womb.
These are people, they must be given the same basic dignities as anyone
else.

Nope, the human embryo is not a "people". If it were, the IRS would tax it LOL.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #102 - Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:12am

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session

We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear. I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZKellyT/status/1540544468482260992?s=20&t=UElULx--dX...

Was it another coordinated attempt to subvert the Constitution and overturn a legitimate election, Frank?

Oh? So rioting and attacking a Senate building is NOT an insurrection if it's motivated by a SCOTUS decision?
Or if it's BLM rioting, looting, burning.

The Dems, as with BLM, are now urging and agitating people to go on the streets and disregard the highest court of the land.

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #103 - Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:13am

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:12am:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 8:19am:

INSURRECTION 2.0

Pro-Abortion Rioters Attempt to Storm Arizona Capitol While in Session

We are currently there being held hostage inside the Senate building due to members of the public trying to breach our security. We smell teargas and the children of one of the members are in the office sobbing with fear. I expect a J24 committee to be created immediately.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AZKellyT/status/1540544468482260992?s=20&t=UElULx--dX...

Was it another coordinated attempt to subvert the Constitution and overturn a legitimate election, Frank?

Oh? So rioting and attacking a Senate building is NOT an insurrection if it's motivated by a SCOTUS decision?
Or if it's BLM rioting, looting, burning.

The Dems, as with BLM, are now urging and agitating people to go on the streets and disregard the highest court of the land.

Was it another coordinated attempt to subvert the Constitution and overturn a legitimate election, Frank?

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Re: ROE v WADE Overturned
Reply #104 - Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:18am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 9:07am:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2022 at 7:06am:

Kristi Noem plans to bar abortion pills
Good luck with that, bitch

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1541149627176697869

Unbelievable how divisive and socially destructive this moron is. Never
having heard of her, I checked her Wiki entry, and was duly disgusted.
She stands for everything that most enlightened, rational, sane people
would abhor. It escapes me how someone still living in a 1950's black
and white television era could've even been elected.

What the flying f**k is wrong with the residents of South Dakota?

I can only assume that Noem was the result of an unsuccessful abortion?

Quote:

Elected as an ally of Donald Trump, Noem explicitly refused to follow the
guidance of medical experts during the COVID-19 pandemic, and did not
enact any of the standard public health and safety protections used in
other states. She did not implement face mask mandates, raised doubts
about the efficacy of mask-wearing, encouraged large gatherings without
social distancing or mask-wearing, and questioned public health experts'
advice.

[As of 20 June 2022, South Dakota has a COVID death rate of
332 per 100,000 people v. Mississippi at 420 and Utah at 150.]

Needless to say, Noem is anti-abortion. She supports the anti-abortion
group Susan B. Anthony List, and has said she intends to maintain her
100% anti-abortion voting record.

Quote:

Noem has signed several bills restricting abortion, saying that the bills
would "crack down on abortion providers in South Dakota". She also
said, "A strong and growing body of medical research provides evidence
that unborn babies can feel, think, and recognize sounds in the womb.
These are people, they must be given the same basic dignities as anyone
else.

Nope, the human embryo is not a "people". If it were, the IRS would tax it LOL.

https://i.postimg.cc/tRftDpDf/6-weeks-fetus-rice-medical-illustration-copyrighte...

And the people of South Dakota will be able to vote her out of office on 8 Nov 2022 if they wish.

That's one of the important aspects of this whole issue, as stressed by the SCOTUS decision - let the people, not unelected judges decide.

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