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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #31 - Jul 10^th, 2022 at 4:11pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

If those other lads in the gang ran any sort of distraction(including the throwing of a plastic water bottle) that allowed their mate an easier opportunity to stab either of those boys ......

then they deserve some sort of punitive sentence for their part.

So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #32 - Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:12pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 4:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

If those other lads in the gang ran any sort of distraction(including the throwing of a plastic water bottle) that allowed their mate an easier opportunity to stab either of those boys ......

then they deserve some sort of punitive sentence for their part.

So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?

There is a difference between aiding in a criminal offence and an accident, you know.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #33 - Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:31pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 4:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

If those other lads in the gang ran any sort of distraction(including the throwing of a plastic water bottle) that allowed their mate an easier opportunity to stab either of those boys ......

then they deserve some sort of punitive sentence for their part.

So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?

There is a difference between aiding in a criminal offence and an accident, you know.

Roll Eyes

are you saying the courts don't know the difference?

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #34 - Jul 10^th, 2022 at 8:19pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:31pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 4:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

If those other lads in the gang ran any sort of distraction(including the throwing of a plastic water bottle) that allowed their mate an easier opportunity to stab either of those boys ......

then they deserve some sort of punitive sentence for their part.

So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?

There is a difference between aiding in a criminal offence and an accident, you know.

Roll Eyes

are you saying the courts don't know the difference?

Duh - your story up there shows you don't know the difference. It's a Mimo thing.....

That's why it's called Orlovia, Don-keh! Because this place is Orlovia!!

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #35 - Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:58pm

This is a classic case of the pathetic standards of the Australian judiciary.
Justice Soraya Ryan obviously erred in her acquittal of these three thugs.
As well as justice being done, it must be seen to have been done by the
community. In this case, it hasn't been.

Hopefully the DPP will mount an appeal.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #36 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:47am

There are two ways about this - yes - justice must be seen to be done - but first there must be justice in the handling of all the available evidence by the court.

If a court wrongfully finds guilt on the facts presented to it - that is clear reason for appeal and dismissal of the charges and conviction.

Without clear evidence that the three actively participated in the crimes, they cannot be convicted, and the mere appearance of 'justice being done' is not sufficient.

That said - I doubt they will get a second chance.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #37 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:38am

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:58pm:

This is a classic case of the pathetic standards of the Australian judiciary.
Justice Soraya Ryan obviously erred in her acquittal of these three thugs.
As well as justice being done, it must be seen to have been done by the
community. In this case, it hasn't been.

Hopefully the DPP will mount an appeal.

It looks like it was done from here. That principle is about transparency, not vengeance.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #38 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 9:31am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:31pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 4:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

If those other lads in the gang ran any sort of distraction(including the throwing of a plastic water bottle) that allowed their mate an easier opportunity to stab either of those boys ......

then they deserve some sort of punitive sentence for their part.

So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?

There is a difference between aiding in a criminal offence and an accident, you know.

Roll Eyes

are you saying the courts don't know the difference?

Duh - your story up there shows you don't know the difference. It's a Mimo thing.....

That's why it's called Orlovia, Don-keh! Because this place is Orlovia!!

run into someone on a foot path and kill them because you're not paying attention behind the wheel and you'll likely face criminal charges crappler. Do you think the courts don't know the difference ?

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #39 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 11:41am

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 9:31am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:31pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 4:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

If those other lads in the gang ran any sort of distraction(including the throwing of a plastic water bottle) that allowed their mate an easier opportunity to stab either of those boys ......

then they deserve some sort of punitive sentence for their part.

So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?

There is a difference between aiding in a criminal offence and an accident, you know.

Roll Eyes

are you saying the courts don't know the difference?

Duh - your story up there shows you don't know the difference. It's a Mimo thing.....

That's why it's called Orlovia, Don-keh! Because this place is Orlovia!!

run into someone on a foot path and kill them because you're not paying attention behind the wheel and you'll likely face criminal charges crappler. Do you think the courts don't know the difference ?

The person wearing clothing on the footpath which the driver finds distracting has zero part in it. That person did nothing to contribute to the crime. You can't equate that person with the driver.

DUH. How you struggle in your perpetual victimhood. They're all out to get you!!

Now come back with another silly comment.

So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice? Your statement.

The person walking didn't force the driver to be distracted.. grow up. You're clearly becoming senile.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #40 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:40pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 11:41am:

The person wearing clothing on the footpath which the driver finds distracting has zero part in it. That person did nothing to contribute to the crime. You can't equate that person with the driver.

just as the courts found that being mates with someone who stabbed someone else had no part in his killing

Cheesy

way to shoot yourself in the foot crappler

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #41 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:55pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:40pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 11:41am:

The person wearing clothing on the footpath which the driver finds distracting has zero part in it. That person did nothing to contribute to the crime. You can't equate that person with the driver.

just as the courts found that being mates with someone who stabbed someone else had no part in his killing

Cheesy

way to shoot yourself in the foot crappler

Don't be deliberately stupid, Smith - I already said that. HOWEVER - if there was intent to engage in the criminal activity listed, there is guilt. YOU were the one carrying on about the innocent passerby being guilty, so wake up and stop shooting yourself in the feet.

Now stop being stupid.

You next move - do a mothra and deny that's what you said:-

"So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?" Your statement.

Deny you said that... it's all you've got left. You DO understand English, don't you?

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #42 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 2:23pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

I already said that

only after you embarressed yourself and realised your mistake

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

YOU were the one carrying on about the innocent passerby being guilty, so wake up and stop shooting yourself in the feet.

making crap up again crappler? Where did I say that?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

"So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?" Your statement.

no, that's not a statement, it's a question. The give away is the question mark at the end.

Do you fail English?

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #43 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 2:34pm

No such thing, Smith - here is my first comment on the issue:-

"Copped for being there though..... need to know the full story".

No mistake there in any way - now be a good boy and stop running in circles within your head and pretending that the other person is the one confused.

Clearly you are mistaking me for some other poster in this strand - now stop clogging up the discussion with your churlish childishness.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #44 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 2:37pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 2:34pm:

No such thing, Smith - here is my first comment on the issue:-

"Copped for being there though..... need to know the full story".

No mistake there in any way - now be a good boy and stop running in circles within your head and pretending that the other person is the one confused.

Clearly you are mistaking me for some other poster in this strand - now stop clogging up the discussion with your churlish childishness.

have you figured out the difference between a statement and a question yet crappler? or are you too busy playing the victim again?

Cheesy

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