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Reply #60 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:06pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 5:48pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 5:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 4:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 10^th, 2022 at 10:50am:

If those other lads in the gang ran any sort of distraction(including the throwing of a plastic water bottle) that allowed their mate an easier opportunity to stab either of those boys ......

then they deserve some sort of punitive sentence for their part.

So if you are walking along on the footpath and some driver is distracted by your choice of clothes, and leads to him crashing and killing a pedestrian, you agree you should also be found guilty as an accomplice?

That would be the most lame & ridiculous comparison I have ever seen you make.

Take a bow Smithy ... you've outdone yourself with stupid & irrelevance.

I agree... but you were the one who thinks the kids should go to jail if they distracted the kid that got killed. Do you realise now just how ridiculous that argument is?

You've obviously never been in a situation where you were on your own & confronted by a group who intend to rough you up? Someone will distract you so you can be blindsided.

Ever seen dingoes, wolves, wild dogs, lions run decoy to pull down pray?

It's not ridiculous to suggest that what these blokes did for the stabber.

You are making excuses for young criminal thugs.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #61 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:10pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:05pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:02pm:

You're just an excuse maker for young crims.

what crim have i made excuses for? Roll Eyes

The ones mentioned in the OP.

Those that were let off of charges of being accessories to murder/manslaughter & grievous bodily harm.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #62 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:27pm

Simple Smithy, threw a miffy
Made a silly post,
When he tried to twist it round
It turned into a roast..

He made a pyre, lit the fire,
Above a flaming pit,
Instead of roasting Grappler steaks
Smith spun upon the spit...

He turned and turned and twisted round
His fevered brain on fire
The flames he lit to make his point
Became his funeral pyre.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict Reply #63 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:35pm Quote: It's not ridiculous to suggest that what these blokes did for the stabber. It would be ridiculous for the court to put any value in the suggestion.
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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #64 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:44pm

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:35pm:

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It's not ridiculous to suggest that what these blokes did for the stabber.

It would be ridiculous for the court to put any value in the suggestion.

Sadly it is evidence and not suggestions that are supposed to play a part in courts.... just because it could be done that way doesn't mean it was.

Wait until you see the one about the guy convicted of the murder of two Victorian police being released on re-trial after 24 years behind bars.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict Reply #65 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:59pm Quote: Sadly it is evidence and not suggestions that are supposed to play a part in courts Why is it sad? Would it make you happy to get locked up on mere suggestion?
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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #66 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 7:08pm

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:59pm:

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Sadly it is evidence and not suggestions that are supposed to play a part in courts

Why is it sad? Would it make you happy to get locked up on mere suggestion?

Sad for the suggestion that it be otherwise.... you took it the wrong way around ..... you know I oppose guilt by accusation and also other malfeasance in and by courts...

How about - 'sadly for that idea ...'

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict Reply #67 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 7:08pm Righto.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83710 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict Reply #68 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 7:12pm My slip.. not clear enough.
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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #69 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 7:13pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

You've obviously never been in a situation where you were on your own & confronted by a group who intend to rough you up? Someone will distract you so you can be blindsided.

Ever seen dingoes, wolves, wild dogs, lions run decoy to pull down pray?

It's not ridiculous to suggest that what these blokes did for the stabber.

You are making excuses for young criminal thugs.

Of course it's ridiculous to suggest it. I'm not sure you can actually get any more ridiculous if you tried.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83710 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict Reply #70 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 7:30pm It's one possible scenario - just a suggestion..... I wonder if it was pursued by the prosecution?
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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #71 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 8:14pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:47am:

..Without clear evidence that the three actively participated in the crimes, they cannot be convicted, and the mere appearance of 'justice being done' is not sufficient.

I've presumed that the three were "actively" involved in the killing.
CCTV shows them participating at the scene; what more evidence
do we need of their involvement?

They were part of the affray, fighting with other youths—which led
ultimately to Beasley's stabbing. They may not have held the killer
knife of course—that was another youth—but to let them walk away
scot-free is a miscarriage of justice. It's yet another example of the
soft-cocks in our judiciary.

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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #72 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 8:23pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:47am:

..Without clear evidence that the three actively participated in the crimes, they cannot be convicted, and the mere appearance of 'justice being done' is not sufficient.

I've presumed that the three were "actively" involved in the killing.
CCTV shows them participating at the scene; what more evidence
do we need of their involvement?

They were part of the affray, fighting with other youths—which led
ultimately to Beasley's stabbing. They may not have held the killer
knife of course—that was another youth—but to let them walk away
scot-free is a miscarriage of justice. It's yet another example of the
soft-cocks in our judiciary.

Perhaps you should lay blame on the prosecutor. Maybe if he'd stuck with charges of 'affray' or 'assault causing harm', they wouldn't have gotten away with it. The jury can only make a decision on the charges before the courts.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict Reply #73 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 9:09pm Can they still charge them with assault? In any case, that is a fairly petty charge. I have no issue with the prosecutor having a go at a bigger charge.
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Re: Family ‘devastated’ at not guilty verdict
Reply #74 - Jul 11^th, 2022 at 9:47pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 12:47am:

..Without clear evidence that the three actively participated in the crimes, they cannot be convicted, and the mere appearance of 'justice being done' is not sufficient.

I've presumed that the three were "actively" involved in the killing.
CCTV shows them participating at the scene; what more evidence
do we need of their involvement?

They were part of the affray, fighting with other youths—which led
ultimately to Beasley's stabbing. They may not have held the killer
knife of course—that was another youth—but to let them walk away
scot-free is a miscarriage of justice. It's yet another example of the
soft-cocks in our judiciary.

Ah... I see. Then they must have got a walk because of their youth... though how is beyond me. If there was clear evidence they participated... hell.

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