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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #60 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:51pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:08pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:05pm:
Fine, keep your head in the sand.


If your presentations were not transparently ignorant illiterate bullshit, I'd be there for it


Are you suggesting I made up that quote?
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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008
 
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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #61 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:55pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:51pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:08pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:05pm:
Fine, keep your head in the sand.


If your presentations were not transparently ignorant illiterate bullshit, I'd be there for it


Are you suggesting I made up that quote?


I am suggesting you seek out and quote morons
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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #62 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:59pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:51pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:08pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:05pm:
Fine, keep your head in the sand.


If your presentations were not transparently ignorant illiterate bullshit, I'd be there for it


Are you suggesting I made up that quote?


You make up stuff all the time, you are a lying piece of garbage
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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #63 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:44pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm:
Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody?

Or is that a loaded question?


Hey FD, how did that crow taste?


It tasted like you are incapable of independent thought.
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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #64 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 6:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:44pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm:
Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody?

Or is that a loaded question?


Hey FD, how did that crow taste?


It tasted like you are incapable of independent thought.


Then it made you hallucinate.
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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008
 
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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #65 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 6:53pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 6:51pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:44pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm:
Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody?

Or is that a loaded question?


Hey FD, how did that crow taste?


It tasted like you are incapable of independent thought.


Then it made you hallucinate.


Why does this ignorant BS not get bans, but I do for telling the truth?
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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #66 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 6:58pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 6:53pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 6:51pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:44pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm:
Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody?

Or is that a loaded question?


Hey FD, how did that crow taste?


It tasted like you are incapable of independent thought.


Then it made you hallucinate.


Why does this ignorant BS not get bans, but I do for telling the truth?


Go and complain in the Feedback forum.
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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008
 
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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #67 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:11pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 1:00pm:
Wink



About that pic of the thalidomide babies:

Why Weren’t These Vaccines Put Through the Proper Safety Trials For Gene Technology, Asks a Former Pharmaceutical Research Scientist


Dr John D. Flack – The Daily Sceptic Feb 7, 2022

I joined Beecham Research Laboratories in 1970 as a pharmacologist/endocrinologist...

The pharmaceutical industry was still reeling from the thalidomide disaster and the industry along with Government regulatory authorities worked together to do as much as was possible to avoid such tragedies ever happening again. It was perhaps quite understandable, then, we were ultra-cautious, and I have no doubt that on the faintest whiff of any safety problem we ‘failed safe’ and almost certainly ‘threw the baby out with the bath water on many occasions. The industry and regulatory authorities were obsessed in putting safety over efficacy. Getting a drug through the preclinical and clinical stages of safety testing was not only very expensive but invariably took more than a decade. Patent law was changed to give an extended period for exclusivity to allow for the industry to have any chance of making a return on investment...

Coupled with this the industry was seen as a very convenient ‘whipping boy’ by the print and TV media. There was hardly a week when BBC Panorama wasn’t exposing some scandal. Making money by trying to make the sick well was seen as a positively evil objective. Investigative journalism was the way to journalistic stardom. What a contrast to the situation we see today. To all intents and purposes over the past two years the Government regulatory authorities, academia, mainstream media and industry appear to be sharing the same bed – all very cosy! Gone, it seems to me, are the checks and balances that we had in the 1980s that provided the public with some sense of confidence that the medicines being marketed were both effective and safe. Academics are frequently charged now with having vested interests. Securing grant money for research is now a matter for international consideration. Witness the huge amount of funding our universities now receive from China and the Gates Foundation. Who can blame the sceptics cry of ‘follow the money’?

So it was that in 1980 I transitioned into pharmaceutical development and became Director of Safety Evaluation of the newly named Beecham Pharmaceuticals. This grand title – again reflecting the emphasis on safety – at ground level meant managing the toxicology and metabolism/pharmacokinetic departments for a decade. Though a raft of safety studies had been agreed to try to guarantee safety, how was it possible to trust the industry to do these studies in strict accordance with the Government regulatory guidelines? Thus, the implementation of formal inspections by the Government regulatory authorities to monitor Good Laboratory Practice (GLP), Good Clinical Practice (GCP) and Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP). No stone would be unturned during these inspections, and I recall now the many sleepless nights mentally wrestling with the inspectorate from the USA Federal Drug Agency and the U.K. Safety of Medicines Department – now called the MHRA (Medicines Health Regulatory Authority). However, it must be said that though there was most certainly, and rightly, an adversarial atmosphere, there was always a recognition that the joint goal was to provide effective medicines that were safe.

With this background, we come to December 2020, when, under emergency measures, ‘vaccines’ still in the experimental phase of development were rolled out with much fanfare to immunise the vulnerable population against the new viral disease of COVID-19. If this was something of a surprise, there was also the knowledge that previous attempts to discover effective and safe vaccines against earlier strains of this type of virus, namely SARS-1 and MERS, had failed. Furthermore, historically, coronaviruses in general had not proven to be amenable to conventional vaccine technology.

Annually the general population are offered ‘flu vaccines – few are concerned about their safety, and rightly. Not too much concern either as to their efficacy, but who cares if they are safe. Surely these new ‘vaccines’ can be considered in a similar manner? No, I am afraid not. These new gene-based ‘vaccines’ are working in a completely novel way – nothing remotely resembling that of traditional vaccines. Given that pharmaceutical companies work competitively it was also somewhat of a surprise they took the same approach of targeting what has been termed the ‘spike protein’ of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. This protein is nasty – sometimes being referred to as a ‘pathogenic protein’ – and is recognised as causing many of the awful pathologies associated with the disease of COVID-19. Logically you would inactivate or at least attenuate this nasty spike protein and develop a vaccine around the attenuated virus. But that’s not what was done. These ‘vaccines’ do not contain any of the offending virus at all but rather the gene sequence that causes the nasty spike protein to be made in the body. We have little idea how much of this nasty protein is produced or for how long it lasts after an injection of the gene sequence...

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #68 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:13pm
 
Now to the important question as to safety of this new class of ‘vaccines’, which are still in their experimental phase of development. The experiment will in fact not finish until 2023. If the ‘vaccines’ are of limited efficacy their safety profile must be as near perfect as any medicine can be since they are being given to healthy people who might become infected. Based on the strategy outlined above you would predict that the spike protein being produced by the gene-based ‘vaccine’ as having a toxicology profile not dissimilar to what is seen when infected by the virus. And indeed, that’s just what the data tell us. The side-effect reporting systems in the USA and U.K. show unequivocally that these “vaccines” are an order of magnitude greater of adverse effects than conventional vaccines. Qualitatively the side effect profile is consistent with what we might expect from our knowledge of the biological (pharmacology and toxicology) properties of the spike protein. To claim that the side effects are rare and mild is highly misleading. They are indeed what one might expect to see in sensitive patients.

Then there is the crucial question of what we cannot possibly know at this point – that is of their long-term safety. Again, there are good scientific reasons why these injections might interfere with other vital body systems. It is not good enough to dismiss them as theoretical scaremongering. It is down to the manufacturer and regulatory authorities to address these issues experimentally and to demonstrate there are no reasons to be concerned. In my view, all the regulatory authorities around the world, including our own MHRA, have failed the general public who would expect that they question every aspect of the safety of medicines, especially when it comes down to the assessment of medicines designed not to treat disease but to prevent disease in otherwise healthy people...

It seems to me that the regulatory authorities may have considered this new class of medicine as a vaccine and followed the toxicology guidelines for conventional vaccines. But as discussed above, they are not vaccines in the conventional sense. They are injections of a laboratory synthesised gene sequence – what in previous decades we would have called a new chemical entity (NCE). Furthermore, they are being given, not as a single dose, but because of their limited efficacy as repeated injections – called boosters. On the hoof, it seems, it is decided that extra doses must be given. How can this possibly be unless supported by the appropriate safety studies? And how convenient for the worldwide authorities regulating the approval of new medicines that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA modified the definitions of vaccine and vaccination – to allow for the new “ways in which vaccines can be administered” – to embrace this new technology that would be previously classed as an NCE. Sorry, but simply changing the definition of the term vaccine to fit the properties of these novel injections doesn’t obviate the need to conduct the appropriate studies by which their safety can properly be assessed. That is why I use the term vaccine in quotation marks or simply describe them as injections.

But have we been blinded and duped by technology and lost sight of the end game of providing safe and effective medicines? Was it a judicious use of the PCR, rapid antigen test technology and information APP technology to drive the test and trace fiasco? Was the gene technology ready to be used in a mass world-wide vaccination programme without a thorough examination of the potential problems of short- and long-term safety of this previously untested technology?

In my view, technocracy has trumped the sound principles, established over decades and centuries, of basic medical practice, immunology, virology, pharmaceutical sciences and public health generally. In the process, political democracy, personal freedoms, free speech and choice have been dangerously sidelined and even censored.



John D. Flack B. Pharm. Ph.D. is a retired Pharmaceutical Research and Development Scientist.
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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #69 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:36pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 10:13pm:
Now to the important question as to safety of this new class of ‘vaccines’, which are still in their experimental phase of development. The experiment will in fact not finish until 2023. If the ‘vaccines’ are of limited efficacy their safety profile must be as near perfect as any medicine can be since they are being given to healthy people who might become infected. Based on the strategy outlined above you would predict that the spike protein being produced by the gene-based ‘vaccine’ as having a toxicology profile not dissimilar to what is seen when infected by the virus. And indeed, that’s just what the data tell us. The side-effect reporting systems in the USA and U.K. show unequivocally that these “vaccines” are an order of magnitude greater of adverse effects than conventional vaccines. Qualitatively the side effect profile is consistent with what we might expect from our knowledge of the biological (pharmacology and toxicology) properties of the spike protein. To claim that the side effects are rare and mild is highly misleading. They are indeed what one might expect to see in sensitive patients.

Then there is the crucial question of what we cannot possibly know at this point – that is of their long-term safety. Again, there are good scientific reasons why these injections might interfere with other vital body systems. It is not good enough to dismiss them as theoretical scaremongering. It is down to the manufacturer and regulatory authorities to address these issues experimentally and to demonstrate there are no reasons to be concerned. In my view, all the regulatory authorities around the world, including our own MHRA, have failed the general public who would expect that they question every aspect of the safety of medicines, especially when it comes down to the assessment of medicines designed not to treat disease but to prevent disease in otherwise healthy people...

It seems to me that the regulatory authorities may have considered this new class of medicine as a vaccine and followed the toxicology guidelines for conventional vaccines. But as discussed above, they are not vaccines in the conventional sense. They are injections of a laboratory synthesised gene sequence – what in previous decades we would have called a new chemical entity (NCE). Furthermore, they are being given, not as a single dose, but because of their limited efficacy as repeated injections – called boosters. On the hoof, it seems, it is decided that extra doses must be given. How can this possibly be unless supported by the appropriate safety studies? And how convenient for the worldwide authorities regulating the approval of new medicines that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in the USA modified the definitions of vaccine and vaccination – to allow for the new “ways in which vaccines can be administered” – to embrace this new technology that would be previously classed as an NCE. Sorry, but simply changing the definition of the term vaccine to fit the properties of these novel injections doesn’t obviate the need to conduct the appropriate studies by which their safety can properly be assessed. That is why I use the term vaccine in quotation marks or simply describe them as injections.

But have we been blinded and duped by technology and lost sight of the end game of providing safe and effective medicines? Was it a judicious use of the PCR, rapid antigen test technology and information APP technology to drive the test and trace fiasco? Was the gene technology ready to be used in a mass world-wide vaccination programme without a thorough examination of the potential problems of short- and long-term safety of this previously untested technology?

In my view, technocracy has trumped the sound principles, established over decades and centuries, of basic medical practice, immunology, virology, pharmaceutical sciences and public health generally. In the process, political democracy, personal freedoms, free speech and choice have been dangerously sidelined and even censored.



John D. Flack B. Pharm. Ph.D. is a retired Pharmaceutical Research and Development Scientist.


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Re: Haiti Did Not Vaccinate Its Citizens
Reply #70 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 12:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2022 at 5:49pm:
Would you like to tell us what you think that means Woody?

Or is that a loaded question?


Somebody else do the maths. What percentage were vaccinated in the UK. If the vaccines had absolutely no effect, what percentage of the vaccinated would you expect to get Covid? By the way, a single dose of Astra Zeneca is pretty close to ineffective for Omicron.

What percentage actually got Covid?
(Not rocket science.)

Then write a conclusion.

(Shagged if I can be bothered)

Add that one to your word censor FD.
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