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Reply #165 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 4:51pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 4:49pm:

I was watching a documentary on epigenes some time ago that investigated holocaust survivors and their peculiar PTSD - survivor's guilt.

Their children, whether they were raised by their birth parents or not, were significantly more prone to lifelong depression and anxiety than those whose parents were not affected by survivors' guilt.

Were they adopted out?

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Reply #167 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 4:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 3:01pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 2:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 2:58pm:

Why do left wingers support homos dressed up as alien goblins
reading stories to our children?

Why do sex obsessed right wing people assume who someone has sex with changes how they interact with kids?

No one is reading stories to your idiot kids. These are events people choose to attend

The kids don't chose.
Their left wing parents send them there.

Fixed.

Not all on the Right are bigoted retards. There would certainly be a few Right-leaning parents
who don't get their panties in a knot over harmless fantasy.

Remember a TV show for kids in the 1960s or 1970s called 'Adventure Island'? Yeah?

It had the overtly-gay John-Michael Howson prominently portraying a clown in
a very camp fashion indeed.

And guess what?

No kids turned gay because of it, and parents didn't lose the plot over him being on the show - or
the character he played.

This rubbish Bobby keeps posting is really no different, and wouldn't bother anyone at all - except
conservative white 'christians'.

FMD, Disney's 'Fantasia' is scarier than a drag queen reading a book.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #168 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 4:56pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference. I knew they'd obsess about sex. Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers.

I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts. I've not started a post on this before. But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks

1 - we know people are born trans. We know how this happens. The biology is well understood. While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably?

2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness. Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5. Gender dysphoria is not being trans. Not all trans people experience it. they are different things

3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age. Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true

4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans. Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'. This does no harm. No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure. No one gets surgery before they are 18.

5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%. Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment. They become trans again later. The rest realise they were gay.

All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them. Our only option is if we are kind or not. Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #169 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:00pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 4:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 4:49pm:

I was watching a documentary on epigenes some time ago that investigated holocaust survivors and their peculiar PTSD - survivor's guilt.

Their children, whether they were raised by their birth parents or not, were significantly more prone to lifelong depression and anxiety than those whose parents were not affected by survivors' guilt.

Were they adopted out?

Some were, others weren't.

Epigenes determine gene expression and are the conduits for gene expression based on the immediate environment.

The mother's circumstances (such as, for example, her living in times of feast or famine) can be communicated to the foetus, which can affect the baby's size at birth, among many other things.

Epigenes continue to affect gene sequence expression throughout life.

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Reply #170 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:03pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

Epigenes determine gene expression and are the conduits for gene expression based on the immediate environment.

The mother's circumstances (such as, for example, her living in times of feast or famine) can be communicated to the foetus, which can affect the baby's size at birth, among many other things.

Epigenes continue to affect gene sequence expression throughout life.

How is this measured? How can we watch it occur?

You don't think the mother starving affects the babies size?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #171 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:05pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 4:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 4:49pm:

I was watching a documentary on epigenes some time ago that investigated holocaust survivors and their peculiar PTSD - survivor's guilt.

Their children, whether they were raised by their birth parents or not, were significantly more prone to lifelong depression and anxiety than those whose parents were not affected by survivors' guilt.

Were they adopted out?

Some were, others weren't.

Epigenes determine gene expression and are the conduits for gene expression based on the immediate environment.

The mother's circumstances (such as, for example, her living in times of feast or famine) can be communicated to the foetus, which can affect the baby's size at birth, among many other things.

Epigenes continue to affect gene sequence expression throughout life.

Another phenomenon is the effect epigenes have on a population where the food source and quality available to the mother affects size and the ultimate height of her child, as in the Japanese who are significantly heavier and larger at birth and ultimately taller on average today than they were just 50 years go.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #172 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

Another phenomenon is the effect epigenes have on a population where the food source and quality available to the mother affects size and the ultimate height of her child, as in the Japanese who are significantly heavier and larger at birth and ultimately taller on average today than they were just 50 years go.

I'll ask again. How do we measure epigenes? How was this causality established?

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Reply #173 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

Epigenes determine gene expression and are the conduits for gene expression based on the immediate environment.

The mother's circumstances (such as, for example, her living in times of feast or famine) can be communicated to the foetus, which can affect the baby's size at birth, among many other things.

Epigenes continue to affect gene sequence expression throughout life.

How is this measured? How can we watch it occur?

You don't think the mother starving affects the babies size?

That's exactly what epigenes can communicate: the size and weight of the child such that the mother, given the circumstances she is in, can survive childbirth and increase the child's chances of surviving birth.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #174 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

Another phenomenon is the effect epigenes have on a population where the food source and quality available to the mother affects size and the ultimate height of her child, as in the Japanese who are significantly heavier and larger at birth and ultimately taller on average today than they were just 50 years go.

I'll ask again. How do we measure epigenes? How was this causality established?

Why don't you just research epigenetics?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #175 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

Another phenomenon is the effect epigenes have on a population where the food source and quality available to the mother affects size and the ultimate height of her child, as in the Japanese who are significantly heavier and larger at birth and ultimately taller on average today than they were just 50 years go.

I'll ask again. How do we measure epigenes? How was this causality established?

Why don't you just research epigenetics?

Why dont you answer me for once?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #176 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

Epigenes determine gene expression and are the conduits for gene expression based on the immediate environment.

The mother's circumstances (such as, for example, her living in times of feast or famine) can be communicated to the foetus, which can affect the baby's size at birth, among many other things.

Epigenes continue to affect gene sequence expression throughout life.

How is this measured? How can we watch it occur?

You don't think the mother starving affects the babies size?

That's exactly what epigenes can communicate: the size and weight of the child such that the mother, given the circumstances she is in, can survive childbirth and increase the child's chances of surviving birth.

A gene tells the child how big to grow? Jesus

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #177 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:17pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

Another phenomenon is the effect epigenes have on a population where the food source and quality available to the mother affects size and the ultimate height of her child, as in the Japanese who are significantly heavier and larger at birth and ultimately taller on average today than they were just 50 years go.

I'll ask again. How do we measure epigenes? How was this causality established?

Why don't you just research epigenetics?

Why dont you answer me for once?

You'd rather I dole it out piecemeal than you read it for yourself?

How do you think gene expression can respond so quickly to environment?

Even that article you posted alludes to it (although implying metaphysical causes: the mother's 'memory' of how many sons she's had). If it's true, then it's the foetus's epigenes that interpret the mother's biochemical signals.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #178 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:17pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

Epigenes determine gene expression and are the conduits for gene expression based on the immediate environment.

The mother's circumstances (such as, for example, her living in times of feast or famine) can be communicated to the foetus, which can affect the baby's size at birth, among many other things.

Epigenes continue to affect gene sequence expression throughout life.

How is this measured? How can we watch it occur?

You don't think the mother starving affects the babies size?

That's exactly what epigenes can communicate: the size and weight of the child such that the mother, given the circumstances she is in, can survive childbirth and increase the child's chances of surviving birth.

A gene tells the child how big to grow? Jesus

Instead of throwing a gay tantrum, just read something of epigenetics.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #179 - Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:17pm:

You'd rather I dole it out piecemeal than you read it for yourself?

How do you think gene expression can respond so quickly to environment?

Even that article you posted alludes to it (although implying metaphysical causes: the mother's 'memory' of how many sons she's had). If it's true, then it's the foetus's epigenes that interpret the mother's biochemical signals.

I'm trying to talk to you.

I don't think gene expression responds to an environment. I think it's all bullshit. I think it's all theory with no evidence.

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