I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference.  I knew they'd obsess about sex.  Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers.

I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts.  I've not started a post on this before.  But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks

1 - we know people are born trans.  We know how this happens.  The biology is well understood.  While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably?

2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness.  Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5.  Gender dysphoria is not being trans.  Not all trans people experience it.  they are different things

3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age.  Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true

4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans.  Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'.  This does no harm.  No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure.  No one gets surgery before they are 18.

5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%.  Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment.  They become trans again later.  The rest realise they were gay. 

All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them.  Our only option is if we are kind or not.  Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

WGAF - it's the same old same old. All you do is start the name calling to any view that doesn't agree with how you see it.

I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of trans people or that they can be born that way.

What gets objected to is the barrow pushing by people like you, your obvious insistence that adults should be giving kids drugs to prevent their puberty -

and if as you say being trans is so "natural" why on earth do you think it's OK to be stopping the "natural" process of puberty?

The other issues have evolved around adult trans people who have not had re-assignment surgery who want to play sport against biological females, or use the same toilets.

Another issue being the insisted/forced use of preferred language/pronouns.

That's been put to you time & again & yet all you do is respond with shyte about the "right", bigots, hate etc etc.

Trans may not be a mental health issue as you say but you definitely have a mental health issue.

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 8:13am:


I missed your tears here sorry.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 5:24pm:

I can intuit from your responses that you've never heard of epigenetics, so go and do some research.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 6:19pm:

What is it about you gay guys and crying?

Gee that's convenient. All about social engineering, eh.

A verse Paul Simon, in mid life, added to his song 'The Boxer' says it all.

Now the years are rolling by me
They are rocking evenly
And I am older than I once was
Younger than I'll be - that's not unusual
No it isn't strange after changes upon changes
We are more or less the same
After changes we are more or less the same.