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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 82818 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #240 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:31am Ho-hum...
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #241 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:32am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference. I knew they'd obsess about sex. Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers.

I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts. I've not started a post on this before. But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks

1 - we know people are born trans. We know how this happens. The biology is well understood. While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably?

2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness. Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5. Gender dysphoria is not being trans. Not all trans people experience it. they are different things

3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age. Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true

4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans. Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'. This does no harm. No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure. No one gets surgery before they are 18.

5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%. Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment. They become trans again later. The rest realise they were gay.

All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them. Our only option is if we are kind or not. Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #242 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:32am Christ these forums are poo
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #245 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:33am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:31am: Ho-hum... Jesus, I had to post three times to see this, and all you did was cry?
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #246 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:47am

Well - nobody here is being 'unkind' to 'trannies' or any other children... ya gotta know one to be unkind to him/her, and it's not as if they're missing out on anything they need..... maybe a little confused, but that's not the job of society to fix it for them.

Parental responsibility...... they can get professional head help.

Purely raving.... all flame and fury signifying nothing.... you oughta go into politics with your agenda....

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 82818 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #247 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:48am FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:32am: Christ these forums are poo There's the door .................... watch that swing....
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #248 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:50am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:47am:

Well - nobody here is being 'unkind' to 'trannies' or any other children... ya gotta know one to be unkind to him/her, and it's not as if they're missing out on anything they need..... maybe a little confused, but that's not the job of society to fix it for them.

Parental responsibility...... they can get professional head help.

Purely raving.... all flame and fury signifying nothing.... you oughta go into politics with your agenda....

As usual, you can't answer the facts I present, so you rant BS.

Trans kids are at vastly higher suicide risk, because of the public hate you pour on them, especially if their parents are not supportive. Why do you waste so much energy on hating children? Why are you scared to answer me? If you're scared to talk about it (and you are), why do you answer me?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #249 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:53am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 9:47am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 8:13am:

WGAF - it's the same old same old. All you do is start the name calling to any view that doesn't agree with how you see it.

HAHAHAHA

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I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of trans people or that they can be born that way.

Yeah they dod

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What gets objected to is the barrow pushing by people like you, your obvious insistence that adults should be giving kids drugs to prevent their puberty -

I am insisting that we trust medical professionals, not preemting their decisions.

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and if as you say being trans is so "natural" why on earth do you think it's OK to be stopping the "natural" process of puberty?

Cancer is natural. Why would we prevent it? It's life threatening. So is being trans a cancer?

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The other issues have evolved around adult trans people who have not had re-assignment surgery who want to play sport against biological females, or use the same toilets.

These are smoke screen BS to spread hate. Trans women play sport now,. They don't always win. It's idiotic to assune anyone with a penis is a rapist, which is what you are claiming. Obviously you DGAF about how biological women feel about it.

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Another issue being the insisted/forced use of preferred language/pronouns.

No language is being forced, this is another fantasy. But why would you be offensive and rude?Might have something to do with you
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That's been put to you time & again & yet all you do is respond with shyte about the "right", bigots, hate etc etc.

Lots of lies are told, I reply to them. You won't reply to the facts I said Facts? you mean your woke dogma?

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Trans may not be a mental health issue as you say but you definitely have a mental health issue.

No, being right wing is a mental health issue.
I'm not right wing

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #250 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:57am

Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:53am:

No, being right wing is a mental health issue.
I'm not right wing

I accept the idea that I am awake and not sleeping through life. Being trans is not life threatening if they are protected from people like you. the idea we should not use medicine to stop what's natural is the same though

You are posting increasingly irrelevant drivel. Of course you're right wing

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #251 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:06pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference. I knew they'd obsess about sex. Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers.

I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts. I've not started a post on this before. But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks

1 - we know people are born trans. We know how this happens. The biology is well understood. While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably?

2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness. Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5. Gender dysphoria is not being trans. Not all trans people experience it. they are different things

3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age. Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true

4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans. Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'. This does no harm. No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure. No one gets surgery before they are 18.

5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%. Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment. They become trans again later. The rest realise they were gay.

All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them. Our only option is if we are kind or not. Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

Crap. Just saying "we know" is no evidence of anything. You just assert baseless shite, ratty on uppers.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11230 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #252 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:19pm FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:57am: You are posting increasingly irrelevant drivel. Of course you're right wing You've got to stop this. People without a gender disorder don't cry all over the place. People who don't relish the idea of trans people interacting with their kids aren't fascists.
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The truth about trans people Reply #253 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:57pm Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:06pm: ] Crap. Just saying "we know" is no evidence of anything. You just assert baseless shite, ratty on uppers. Pick one and prove I am wrong
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #254 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 10:57am:

You are posting increasingly irrelevant drivel. Of course you're right wing

You've got to stop this.

People without a gender disorder don't cry all over the place.

People who don't relish the idea of trans people interacting with their kids aren't fascists.

Trans people don't have a gender disorder, boomer.

No one is forcing your kids to interact with trans people. LOL!!!

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